www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/glenn-mcgrath-former-cricketer-regrets-shooting-wildlife-on-safari-20150221-13l44q.html

And these people get held up on a pedestal as role models!

Ok, I love hunting in Australia and always hunt with a purpose such as using the animal for food, pelt or feral. We never hunt animals unnecessarily but that's just my own ethos...

So in that breath, I wouldn't shoot an elephant from a 4x4 in a game park... Because I don't think it's sporting... But...

It's only because of the tourist money and those game parks that animals like that are continuing to exist. Take Zimbabwe which used to be the premier safari hunting destination... It's now one of the worst because it was unregulated and all the locals and tourists knocked off the animals...

These game parks grow fantastic specimens of the species and then allow them to be shot as trophies... Because there is a value placed on these animals, the parks owners ensure they are well looked after and Bred to ensure sustainability...

So while I wouldn't personally go and shoot one because it's like shooting a dog in a cage, I don't judge others for going there as the industry is what allows those animals to still exist...

And unless you are a vegan tree hugger with a carrot up ya butt, you can't say that it is wrong to breed animals to be killed cause we do it with those of the farming variety and that would be hippo-critical....

But if you are a vegan tree hugger, then by all means tell me how wrong I am about eating animals... It won't make me stop doing what NATURE intended me to do....

Just my take on the situation, but as I grew up hunting on farms, people who don't have my background can often disagree...

yeah, a buffalo is no biggy but an elephant?
what was he thinking..

Why is he apologising for undertaking a legal activity whilst on holidays?

He is not wearing a cricket australia team shirt or sponsors logo and misbehaving.

The full apology reads like one from a footy player just locked up for rape or killing some bloke in a fight. Is there a standard template that sports managers get these people to read from

just cause he plays sport well? doesn't make him a hero! just skilled with bat or ball and very well paid

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But if you are a vegan tree hugger, then by all means tell me how wrong I am about eating animals... It won't make me stop doing what NATURE intended me to do....

Just my take on the situation, but as I grew up hunting on farms, people who don't have my background can often disagree...

The justification of economics, tourism or food for the villagers doesn't change the fact that these people get a thrill from killing other beings that have just as much right to their one shot at life.

Any reasonable person can see there is no association between trophy hunters and farming animals or hunting for sustenance, unless you are getting off on the killing part.

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Mark _australia said..
Why is he apologising for undertaking a legal activity whilst on holidays?

Because he has identified himself as someone that enjoys killing things for enjoyment.

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jamdfingr said..
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But if you are a vegan tree hugger, then by all means tell me how wrong I am about eating animals... It won't make me stop doing what NATURE intended me to do....

Just my take on the situation, but as I grew up hunting on farms, people who don't have my background can often disagree...

Since when have NATURE'S intentions been a justification for anything? Come to think of it, since when has NATURE had intentions?
Sounds like you've just told yourself a convenient story to rationalize your preferred behaviour.

He isn't my hero. I couldn't care less what he does with his life or for that matter what any other bloke who can kick, throw or hit a ball around for money does either.

I (sort of) agree with jamdfinger on this one and used to do a lot of shooting when I was young - mainly foxes at the request of our neighbouring farmers and rabbits for Sunday dinners. I know a few guys that would jump at the chance to do a safari hunt, although it's not-for-me thanks.

Regarding G.M. though, I'd just like to add...a very stupid (and not very sportsman-like) thing to do for someone that relies on their public image for both income and their charity.

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Rex said..

Mark _australia said..
Why is he apologising for undertaking a legal activity whilst on holidays?

Because he has identified himself as someone that enjoys killing things for enjoyment.

One word for you.

Fishing.

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Mark _australia said..

Rex said..

Mark _australia said..
Why is he apologising for undertaking a legal activity whilst on holidays?

Because he has identified himself as someone that enjoys killing things for enjoyment.

One word for you.

Fishing.

Indeed.

www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/02/21/grand-blue-marlin-crazy-catch/23789529/

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myusernam said..
yeah, a buffalo is no biggy but an elephant?
what was he thinking..

Maybe he was a crap shot......how could he miss an elephant

Without legal hunting there would be nothing left in Africa. The animals are mostly in parks (protected from poachers) and the fees paid by these rich blokes do ensure that conservation continues. They want to keep breeding them so they can charge big money for a hunting permit.

I don't see the appeal in killing an elephant but in a park with limited space, maybe they targeted an older elephant past breeding age or one who had gone rogue and the locals may have killed it anyway.

We cull roo's and koalas in Australia for biodiversity reasond but we have NFI what the elephant population is like in that park.

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NotWal said..

jamdfingr said..
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But if you are a vegan tree hugger, then by all means tell me how wrong I am about eating animals... It won't make me stop doing what NATURE intended me to do....

Just my take on the situation, but as I grew up hunting on farms, people who don't have my background can often disagree...

Since when have NATURE'S intentions been a justification for anything? Come to think of it, since when has NATURE had intentions?
Sounds like you've just told yourself a convenient story to rationalize your preferred behaviour.

You are just nitpicking in an attempt to be a smart arse.. People have always hunted. Our ancestors would have probably starved to death if they didn't hunt.

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NotWal said..

jamdfingr said..
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But if you are a vegan tree hugger, then by all means tell me how wrong I am about eating animals... It won't make me stop doing what NATURE intended me to do....

Just my take on the situation, but as I grew up hunting on farms, people who don't have my background can often disagree...

Since when have NATURE'S intentions been a justification for anything? Come to think of it, since when has NATURE had intentions?
Sounds like you've just told yourself a convenient story to rationalize your preferred behaviour.

I thought jamdfingr was rationalizing his behavior quite well .

Maybe if more of us took the time to go out and hit a deer or kangaroo over the head [ native or introduced doesn't really matter , its all protein .] and drag it back to the cave . We wouldn't be held to ransom as much buy Woolworths etc .

I am also sure if you asked a Black Fella whether or not nature intended him to hunt for his tucker ,the answer would be yes .

I am no hunter , even too lazy to go fishing ! But when food scares like the hep A thing with the blueberries become more prevalent ,we all may be ditching the cheap Chinese groceries and sourcing local tucker !!!
And if that means getting a bit of blood and guts on our hands i am sure we would deal with it , if we were hungry enough .

My parents used to eat rabbit a lot, out of necessity but i think mixo might have put a stop to that for a few years . But now in certain locals in Vic the bunny's are thick !!!!

................... That would make the price of lamb and beef drop in the big supermarkets , if we all started eating rabbit and kangaroo , soured through smaller wholesalers .

haaha sorry went off on a tangent then

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NotWal said..

jamdfingr said..
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But if you are a vegan tree hugger, then by all means tell me how wrong I am about eating animals... It won't make me stop doing what NATURE intended me to do....

Just my take on the situation, but as I grew up hunting on farms, people who don't have my background can often disagree...

Since when have NATURE'S intentions been a justification for anything? Come to think of it, since when has NATURE had intentions?
Sounds like you've just told yourself a convenient story to rationalize your preferred behaviour.

You are just nitpicking in an attempt to be a smart arse.. People have always hunted. Our ancestors would have probably starved to death if they didn't hunt.

Oh Jesus, a mind reader. Your argument is just an appeal to tradition. With that kind of thinking we'd still be relying on stone axes.

So did he eat the elephant???
Or just kill it for the joy of feeling cool for killing something.

Cant imagine driving up next to an elephant in a jeep and shooing it would be a fun or challenging "sport" ????

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NotWal said..

dan111984 said..

NotWal said..

jamdfingr said..
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But if you are a vegan tree hugger, then by all means tell me how wrong I am about eating animals... It won't make me stop doing what NATURE intended me to do....

Just my take on the situation, but as I grew up hunting on farms, people who don't have my background can often disagree...

Since when have NATURE'S intentions been a justification for anything? Come to think of it, since when has NATURE had intentions?
Sounds like you've just told yourself a convenient story to rationalize your preferred behaviour.

You are just nitpicking in an attempt to be a smart arse.. People have always hunted. Our ancestors would have probably starved to death if they didn't hunt.

Oh Jesus, a mind reader. Your argument is just an appeal to tradition. With that kind of thinking we'd still be relying on stone axes.

You are trying to be a smart arse again... I know you just pulled a fallacist's fallacy on me.. You bastard! lol

Seeing Mathew hayden surfing noosa over the yrs he gets my respect, participating in abit of aussie recreation. Shooting a bloody elephant from a safe distance? Maybe if the elephant was charging and all he had was a hand gun. Ego tripping bastard.

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djt91184 said..
Seeing Mathew hayden surfing noosa over the yrs he gets my respect, participating in abit of aussie recreation. Shooting a bloody elephant from a safe distance? Maybe if the elephant was charging and all he had was a hand gun. Ego tripping bastard.

Never shot a shoulder-****** .700nitro I gather.
It is a skill set that is not easy to acquire.

NOT saying it is a glorious activity or morally right or anything............ but I am saying that as soon as a gun is involved everyone is a self righteous type. Have you made the same "ego tripping bastard" comment about the participants of sport fishing? Or perhaps about jockeys in the Melbourne Cup?


(BTW PrinceGuide, no need to reply)

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Mark _australia said..
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NOT saying it is a glorious activity or morally right or anything............ but I am saying that as soon as a gun is involved everyone is a self righteous type. Have you made the same "ego tripping bastard" comment about the participants of sport fishing? Or perhaps about jockeys in the Melbourne Cup?


(BTW PrinceGuide, no need to reply)

Good point. For some reason most folk seem to blind to the cruelty of sport fishing.
Whatever we're comfortable with is ok. Then for some reason you think about it a bit and ask yourself "Is it ok? Yeah, it MUST be. Everyone does it." hmmm...

Quite apart from animal rights and moral issues, veganism is worth investigating for good practical reasons. It's healthier for one thing. There is a slew of morbidity factors that are endemic to omnivores that are very rare amongst vegans. For another it is a MUCH more efficient use of agriculture than maintaining animals for consumption. For another it's more eco friendly. Cow farts or oxygen, which is the preferred emission?

I'm not a vegan by the way, but I'm talking myself into it.

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Mark _australia said...

djt91184 said..
Seeing Mathew hayden surfing noosa over the yrs he gets my respect, participating in abit of aussie recreation. Shooting a bloody elephant from a safe distance? Maybe if the elephant was charging and all he had was a hand gun. Ego tripping bastard.

Never shot a shoulder-****** .700nitro I gather.
It is a skill set that is not easy to acquire.

NOT saying it is a glorious activity or morally right or anything............ but I am saying that as soon as a gun is involved everyone is a self righteous type. Have you made the same "ego tripping bastard" comment about the participants of sport fishing? Or perhaps about jockeys in the Melbourne Cup?


(BTW PrinceGuide, no need to

No I have never shot a nitro700, eloquently named the elephant gun, from memory I haven't really needed one close by. On the farm i grew up on we slaughtered our own cattle and butchered them in our own cold room, the meat went into our own freezer for livelihood (just saying). It was not a game. Probably is quite a skill set to manage the nitro700, the person wielding this firearm undoubtedly feels power, unfortunate for majestic unsuspecting elephant in its sights. Prior to the foreigners entering Africa with ivory lust and weaponry to achieve this, their numbers would not have been decimated. Now so rich people sustain the species in preserves/reservations, with the end goal as before hunted woops Executed hmmm. *Organised sports fishing with weigh ins, overall lengths etc is despicable, the participants would probably boast about a world record turd they had done for recognition. * Melbourne cup has no meaning to me I dont go to any track, although jockeys seem to enjoy there job and horses chew at the bit to be winded so I dont know. Im not expert just opinions.

Admittedly I'm not vey techo either as my reply is added in Marks quote, ahh whoopsy daisy

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700 nitro......

Always wondered why they bothered with semi-potable artillery pieces, when a .303 or 8mm work as effectively.

do a wiki for "Karajomo Bell" or even easier - click on the link below.

www.chuckhawks.com/bell_elephants.htm

I do not approve of what Bell did, but do recognise and admire the marksmanship skills he had.

stephen

can see it now. some of you sitting over their laptops…saying glens killing things for enjoyment.

when not thinking about the cow that was standing in a paddock eating grass one week now its just had a steel bolt driven into its brain so your kids can have a great time chewing on a Mc fat burger.

or when you have that lovely boiled egg for breakfast,not thinking of that poor caged chook feed drugs to back more eegs out.

wait thats right your wife never buys caged bird eggs…...but will the wife ask the coffee shop if the eggs in there fabulous pastries and cake come from caged birds

but **** glen Mcgrath killing things for pleasure.

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NotWal said..

Mark _australia said..
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NOT saying it is a glorious activity or morally right or anything............ but I am saying that as soon as a gun is involved everyone is a self righteous type. Have you made the same "ego tripping bastard" comment about the participants of sport fishing? Or perhaps about jockeys in the Melbourne Cup?


(BTW PrinceGuide, no need to reply)

Good point. For some reason most folk seem to blind to the cruelty of sport fishing.
Whatever we're comfortable with is ok. Then for some reason you think about it a bit and ask yourself "Is it ok? Yeah, it MUST be. Everyone does it." hmmm...

Quite apart from animal rights and moral issues, veganism is worth investigating for good practical reasons. It's healthier for one thing. There is a slew of morbidity factors that are endemic to omnivores that are very rare amongst vegans. For another it is a MUCH more efficient use of agriculture than maintaining animals for consumption. For another it's more eco friendly. Cow farts or oxygen, which is the preferred emission?

I'm not a vegan by the way, but I'm talking myself into it.

I've been an enthusiastic angler since I was a kid.

On the the way over to Fiji I had this profound moment after pulling in one of the many Mahi Mahi which committed suicide. I had a line out the back most of the time and on a couple of occasions did not realize there was anything on until I went to pull the line in. Of course by that time it had worn itself out, which had its beneficial side as a Mahi Mahi makes an awful commotion in a small cockpit and a shagged out one is a lot easier to handle.

Anyhow it occurred to me how bloody ridiculous the expression " it put up a good fight " is.

Fish don't fight. At least they don't fight anglers. They struggle, as I guess anything would with a hook in its mouth. A fish cannot fight an angler cos he doesn't have the wherewithal such as fists.

How the sheitballs does a dolphin fish common suicide. Was forensics called out? Dragging fish (long distance sailing) is common practice when you believed its size/weight/power will break any part of your fishing rig. Im yet to come across a fish that has committed suicide. For the record the fish I talk of are not showoff taxidermy types, allways sustance for a thankfull crew - completely different circumstances to old great white hunter Mcgrath.

lol, yes, the highly skilled hunter Mcgrath, it takes a lot of skill to squeeze a trigger and hit something a size of a mini bus just to watch it die. So tuff and cool.
Probly lured it to point blank range first with some peanuts which takes even more sporting skill. lol

actually it is a fairly small area for shooting elephant, due to the thickness of hide and skull, and hard to get close, so it is harder then shooting many other animals.

Plus "point blank range" does not mean "close" I think you should google it before trying to sound clever.

Not saying shooting elephants is right - just that as usual you try to make fun at something and show your lack of knowledge on the subject matter.

Personally I think it is easy to get lots of money hitting a ball, but I know nothing about cricket.


+1 to Cobra!!!

Not making fun of it at all, calling it for what it is, killing an elephant for fun/coolness which in most peoples opinion is just senseless killing for pleasure.
Unless he steaked it up and flew it home with him to feed his family.