Was diagnosed with frozen shoulder syndrome, it is a real pain in the butt, nothing can be done apparently.......... just suffer and take pain killer, anti inflammatory is not a good long term option.
Any body had it? Any advice?
I did a bit of physio but it doesn't helps, make it worst I think. I have been told it will disappear in up to 24 months.

Why nothing? I know a couple of people who had it, a simple arthroscopy to cut away all the excess stuff in there and now its fine.

Maybe there are different causes though? Theirs was essentially excess growth of something in there jamming it all up...

Yep not an overnight fix for this. Do the Physio, resistance training, can be painfull, & follow what the physio says. Mate had it & had a machine at home for long time, eventually came good. Move it or loose it, I believe.

Been told it can't be fixed by surgery. It is an inflamation and it will go away over time!

Oddly both my dad and a friend got this a out the same time...brutal....paibful and couldn't lift arm higher than shoulder. For my dad about 18 months later it just went away. Fine now.

Buddy too....but he did everything including radical needle therapy....super painful...figures that resolved it. But maybe it just went away like for my dad who did nothing.

Mine resolved itself over about six months. I kept windsurfing throughout.

i've just been through the process. Saw a specialist and had cortisone injection into the joint. two weeks and you'll see the difference. It works for some but not for others depending on the frozen root cause. It worked for a few weeks but didn't totally do the trick although i am experiencing less pain but need to watch my movements. Next step is MRI to identify the issue and maybe the knife to tidy the joint of spurs etc. I recon i can sail this season but before the cortisone injection i was sure the season was off for me.

Just get it check before undergoing any physio because you have the risk of causing more discomfort or damage to the tendon(s)

My recommendation is to see a specialist before anything

OK, so the deal is there is a lot of poor advice based on erroneous information. Surgery physio and cortisone works for impingement syndrome, which is often given the layman's term 'frozen shoulder'. A true frozen shoulder is technically adhesive capsulitis, and diagnosed through examination and often scans. Felix, if you were given the correct diagnosis then the prognosis is actually accurate. It is an inflammatory process of unknown origin that starts off as a really painful shoulder then a progressively stiffening shoulder and then eventually the 'thawing' process where you regain movement. It's a bitch. Women are more susceptible than men, middle age is the time of attack, and if you're really unlucky then the other shoulder can go through the same process once the first one recovers!

Well I guess I am unlucky both shoulders are stuffed! And to be perfect.... I sleep on my side . Fun.... specially when I move a little bit! Takes me 1/2 hour to find the exact painless position to go back to sleep. tried to sleep on my back impossible arrrrrrrgh!
The right one is a bit better!
Maybe is good to have the 2 shoulders at the same time................?????

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Shifu said..
Mine resolved itself over about six months. I kept windsurfing throughout.

Just want to add I definitely had adhesive capsulitis.

Try sleeping with a less than full "bean bag",have a go at positioning yourself in a pain free way ?

I had it and did some very slow stretches by standing with my back to table and slowly lowering myself down as if doing a dip and holding it. It took a few days of this and problem completely gone.
I tried physio and cortisone which worked for a short time but soon as I started paddling it would come back. After doing this stretch I have been pain free for the last 5 years and paddle most days.

Acupuncture could fix it!

Worth trying anyway.

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Well I guess I am unlucky both shoulders are stuffed! And to be perfect.... I sleep on my side . Fun.... specially when I move a little bit! Takes me 1/2 hour to find the exact painless position to go back to sleep. tried to sleep on my back impossible arrrrrrrgh!
The right one is a bit better!
Maybe is good to have the 2 shoulders at the same time................?????

With a nest of pillows try sleeping with your body at a 45 degree angle, i.e. not on your back or on your side but in between.

You could try the following.

It is possible that at least one of the primary and/or secondary muscles connected to your shoulder could have a "muscle knot", "trigger point", "adhesive section" that will need to be removed. This is performed by massaging and other forms of pressure point manipulation.

Get someone to massage (with pressure) any primary and secondary muscles connected to the shoulder which is frozen. You will know what I mean when pressure on a particular section becomes a "holy sh!t" moment.

This style of remediation is steadily gaining mainstream recognition, and is called myofascial release technique or Active Release Technique.

The link to the following page is a more definitive and detailed explanation of these techniques in relation to adhesive capsulitis

www.painscience.com/tutorials/frozen-shoulder.php

PS: From what I've learnt, any muscle that forms a "muscle knot/trigger point" will generally create issues for any joint that it is directly/indirectly connected to

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felixdcat said..
Was diagnosed with frozen shoulder syndrome, it is a real pain in the butt, nothing can be done apparently.......... just suffer and take pain killer, anti inflammatory is not a good long term option.
Any body had it? Any advice?
I did a bit of physio but it doesn't helps, make it worst I think. I have been told it will disappear in up to 24 months.

How did this unfold? have you had an injury or was this out of the blue?

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Rex said..

felixdcat said..
Was diagnosed with frozen shoulder syndrome, it is a real pain in the butt, nothing can be done apparently.......... just suffer and take pain killer, anti inflammatory is not a good long term option.
Any body had it? Any advice?
I did a bit of physio but it doesn't helps, make it worst I think. I have been told it will disappear in up to 24 months.

How did this unfold? have you had an injury or was this out of the blue?

Just started to get more and more painful, never injured myself there.... guess it is the price to pay when your are aging!
Apparently it happens in 40% males and 60% females?

It seems yours could be impingement or frozen? I resolved my impingement rather quickly with occupational therapy and the exercises they gave me. I also found the occupational therapy workers at the local hospital more knowledgeable and competent than the physical therapists in private practice.
You may find it painful to keep raising your arm, try this when it gets really bad, take a belt and tie it around your torso just below your chest and also around your arm near the bicep. This keeps your arm pinned to your side and makes it not possible to raise your arm. This will calm down the inflammation and perhaps give you a better idea what the problem is.

have tried the bean bag or cushion idea and it worked well. i can get a good sleeping position and be painless..... until I move in my sleep! I need to have a sand bag close to my back stopping me to roll in my sleep! Missus refusing to serve that purpose!
Also found that the right side is getting a bit better but the left is not healing!

Well following my cortisone injection into the joint it appears not to have worked that well. So i followed up with the MRI and it appears according to the report it's a little bit untidy . I'm due to see the specialist in a week to establish the corrective action. If i go along with anything it would be certain that the season would be over before it starts. I might see if i can put it off and slip in a few sessions first and see what the pain threshold is like. But really i should just wait and see what old mate has to say.

How are you getting on Felix?

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albers said..
You could try the following.

It is possible that at least one of the primary and/or secondary muscles connected to your shoulder could have a "muscle knot", "trigger point", "adhesive section" that will need to be removed. This is performed by massaging and other forms of pressure point manipulation.

Get someone to massage (with pressure) any primary and secondary muscles connected to the shoulder which is frozen. You will know what I mean when pressure on a particular section becomes a "holy sh!t" moment.

This style of remediation is steadily gaining mainstream recognition, and is called myofascial release technique or Active Release Technique.

The link to the following page is a more definitive and detailed explanation of these techniques in relation to adhesive capsulitis

www.painscience.com/tutorials/frozen-shoulder.php

PS: From what I've learnt, any muscle that forms a "muscle knot/trigger point" will generally create issues for any joint that it is directly/indirectly connected to

I've had a frozen shoulder for... wow, about seven years now. It was *much worse at first and is now stuck on about 95% fixed. It really only bothers me if I have to do something above my head, like get something out of a cupboard.

I quoted the above because I totally agree with it. Massage and using it (your shoulder) helps. I got a brief massage from my trainer along with some tiger balm (deep heat) and then did an hour of boxing and by the end my shoulder felt 100%. The best it has felt in seven years. Only lasted a few hours though. I am sure it was all the rolling of the shoulders and activating muscles that I have forgotten to use.

So, form my years of personal experience, there really is a muscular connection to it, and that is probably neurological in nature. It gets worse when I get stressed, and I always start stressing in my neck and shoulders.

Man, I really want a massage now.

Was very bad on the left side end of last week to the point I could not sleep Had to watch TV in bed a 3 in the morning to doze off.
Could not find a painless position at all!
Swallowing Panadol Osteo helped a little bit.
It is getting better ........ last nite had a (kind of) good sleep.
I will try the tiger balm!
Any one used anti inflammatory preparation (not pills) like Nurofren? Did it help?

^^ i'm hearing you on the sleep thing but not by the sound of it as bad as yours. My MRI identified (in a nutshell) my shoulder bone structure is on the piss which is somehow causing pressure on the tendon and bursa, thus the tendon cutting through the bursa approx 90-95% the thickness of the tendon...plus some other ****e going on. So yeah glad i held off the physio and anything else.

Yep overhead stuff is not fun. I dismount a bit on my sailboard so water starting kinda hurts.

Felix have you had an MRI on your shoulder(s)? to tell you that nothing can be done. See a specialist if you have yet not

no MRI but seem that I should see a specialist!

Do yourself a favor. Doing exercises and physio could be doing more damage then good and just putting up with the pain just sucks d***. See a specialist mate. You will need to get a referral from a GP, just ask him

I'll PM you the dude i am currently seeing

i had my rotator cuff reattached by greg janes .


honeslty best thing i ever did . 2 1/2 months in and i am almost able to bring my arm up to 90 degrees out from my left side . yes still cant lift anything but so glad my tendon gave way and went down the surgery path

felix before my surgery i was on forte , prescription strength and had my shoulder strapped constantly

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Vince68 said..
Do yourself a favor. Doing exercises and physio could be doing more damage then good and just putting up with the pain just sucks d***. See a specialist mate. You will need to get a referral from a GP, just ask him

I'll PM you the dude i am currently seeing

Please do Vince!