He had to be right about something eventually.
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Wow, a youtube video supporting one side of an argument. Glad you took the time to look this up. The harder way is to go to here:
scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&q=water+fluoridation
and read the science, but that's boring.

Fluoridation of water used to be regarded as one of the greatest public health achievements. I suppose mrna vaccines have surpassed that.

A dentist once told me that to make big money and pay off debt, dentists would move to Queensland where fluoridation is not widely used.

There's been no fluoride in my water for the last two years, hadn't given it much thought, I like the taste of filtered water, unfiltered makes me want to vomit on hot days. And I brush my teeth everyday so I should be fine. Nope. Almost lost a tooth this year, definitely gotta brush twice a day when there's no fluoride in the water.

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psychojoe said..
There's been no fluoride in my water for the last two years, hadn't given it much thought, I like the taste of filtered water, unfiltered makes me want to vomit on hot days. And I brush my teeth everyday so I should be fine. Nope. Almost lost a tooth this year, definitely gotta brush twice a day when there's no fluoride in the water.

You're using a reverse osmosis filter right?

Isn't fluoride mainly for kids benefit when teeth are forming?

Geeze, its a tough audience here isn't it.

I took from the video (couldn't hack watching all of it though) that a recent study into something that had not been studied before found some negative outcomes.

If I then do a quick check of the links provided to rubbish this claim the very first one I clicked on, randomly on first page of those results states :

This paper reviews the human health effects of fluoride. The authors conclude that available evidence suggests that fluoride has a potential to cause major adverse human health problems, while having only a modest dental caries prevention effect. As part of efforts to reduce hazardous fluoride ingestion, the practice of artificial water fluoridation should be reconsidered globally, while industrial safety measures need to be tightened in order to reduce unethical discharge of fluoride compounds into the environment.

www.hindawi.com/journals/tswj/2014/293019/



Issue I see with flourinating public water is that it isn't a choice for the consumer.

Removing alchol from beer, not adding tabbacco to ****, reducing sugar in Big Mac's, taking an asprin or a multi-vitamin pill every day - all have positive health benefits, but none are surreptitiously imposed on people. We don't add vitamin C or calcium or spinch extract to water, so why add flourine ?

I'm not saying it is bad or done for nefarious reasons, I'm just asking what is so special about floride compared to anything else that is has to be added to public drinking water ?

....and before somebody mentions chlorine, well, that is added to ensure the water is safe. Like not selling a mouldy ham or chilling yoghurt. It is different to any floride argument..

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I'm not saying it is bad or done for nefarious reasons, I'm just asking what is so special about floride compared to anything else that is has to be added to public drinking water ?

Because if you deliver it in the chemtrails it forms a highly poisonous gas, so better to add it to water

americanfluoridationsociety.org/debunking-anti-claims/debunking-anti-documents-and-videos/response-to-antifluoridationist-video-our-daily-dose/

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Carantoc said..
Geeze, its a tough audience here isn't it.

I took from the video (couldn't hack watching all of it though) that a recent study into something that had not been studied before found some negative outcomes.

If I then do a quick check of the links provided to rubbish this claim the very first one I clicked on, randomly on first page of those results states :

This paper reviews the human health effects of fluoride. The authors conclude that available evidence suggests that fluoride has a potential to cause major adverse human health problems, while having only a modest dental caries prevention effect. As part of efforts to reduce hazardous fluoride ingestion, the practice of artificial water fluoridation should be reconsidered globally, while industrial safety measures need to be tightened in order to reduce unethical discharge of fluoride compounds into the environment.

www.hindawi.com/journals/tswj/2014/293019/



Issue I see with flourinating public water is that it isn't a choice for the consumer.

Removing alchol from beer, not adding tabbacco to ****, reducing sugar in Big Mac's, taking an asprin or a multi-vitamin pill every day - all have positive health benefits, but none are surreptitiously imposed on people. We don't add vitamin C or calcium or spinch extract to water, so why add flourine ?

I'm not saying it is bad or done for nefarious reasons, I'm just asking what is so special about floride compared to anything else that is has to be added to public drinking water ?

....and before somebody mentions chlorine, well, that is added to ensure the water is safe. Like not selling a mouldy ham or chilling yoghurt. It is different to any floride argument..

I think bromide was the other option. I can't quite remember, and I definitely can't be bothered looking it up.

Studies have indicated that poor dental health and cardiovascular disease are linked.

Bummer for the people who avoid fluoride, masks and vaccination. Darwinism at its finest.

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Carantoc said..

This paper reviews the human health effects of fluoride. The authors conclude that available evidence suggests that fluoride has a potential to cause major adverse human health problems, while having only a modest dental caries prevention effect.

www.hindawi.com/journals/tswj/2014/293019/

"Misconduct was most prevalent in the year 2016, with a majority of analysed papers published in the Scientific World Journal facing retraction for reason fake-peer review processes undertaken by authors using fake email accounts."www.nature.com/articles/s41599-023-02095-x

fluoride is put in your water to calcify your brain.

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remery said..
Studies have indicated that poor dental health and cardiovascular disease are linked.

Bummer for the people who avoid fluoride, masks and vaccination. Darwinism at its finest.

I get annoyed every time I read of this supposed study. I had a colleague tell me all about it as he was told it by a dental hygenist. What bugs me is that they don't seem to separate cause and effect. Good for the dental hygenists all over the place as they are clearly looking for more customers.

Do people have cardiovascular problems because of poor dental hygene? Do people have poor dental hygene as a result of cardiovascular problems?

Or, as I tend to believe, do poor health practices occur in people that have poor dental hygene that also causes more incidences of cardiovascular disease? Not that big of a leap.

I also get annoyed at studies that link diet soft drinks, or any soft drinks with obesity. It's very unlikely that their sample size includes physically fit and active people that also drink a lot of soft drinks, as well as people that are not physically active that drink lots of soft drinks.

That said, I got through childhood with great teeth despite poor brushing, so I would argue that fluoride does a lot to protect teeth.

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snoidberg said..
fluoride is put in your water to calcify your brain.

My what?

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remery said..
Studies have indicated that poor dental health and cardiovascular disease are linked.

Bummer for the people who avoid fluoride, masks and vaccination. Darwinism at its finest.

And mouthwash is linked to diabetes. As I expect you'd know, the metabolic process is reliant upon some healthy oral bacteria.

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snoidberg said..
fluoride is put in your water to calcify your brain.

My what?

The bigger problem causing neurodegeneration is that no one is ever hungry anymore. The brain needs fat for fuel, and it doesn't get it until the carbs run out and the body switches to ketosis (running on fat). For this reason I eat mussels every week, to get the plasmalogens (super healthy brain fats) into my diet.

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"Misconduct was most prevalent in the year 2016, with a majority of analysed papers published in the Scientific World Journal facing retraction for reason fake-peer review processes undertaken by authors using fake email accounts."www.nature.com/articles/s41599-023-02095-x

Where is that text in that link ?

I started reading and got to the bit where it says fake peer review was 3% of retractions. 3% ain't "majority", not even close.

It says 49% were plagarism or duplicate publication. So not necessarily fake-news then, just people trying to claim credit for somebody else's true-news.

Thus, even if the link I clicked on in that original response provided to prove any claim that flourisiation may have an adverse side-effect is fake-news didn't because it was retracted, it is most likely it was retracted not because it was wrong, but because it was not attributed correctly.

So, the evidence to disprove that there is disapproval of the evidence provided to disproving the original matter that didn't, doesn't.

Unless that text is in that link provided and it also somewhere explains the apparent contridiction.

True, but alot of people today are realising the benefits of fasting.
Also having lots of omega 3 and reducing omega 6.
As for fluoride the most at risk of having their brain damaged are unborn babies in a mother's womb and up to 6 months old babies because they haven't fully developed a blood brain barrier to stop the fluoride from entering the brain tissue.
Keep checking updates on the current lawsuit against fluoride in the USA.

childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/fluoride-trial-week-1-takeaways-neurotoxic-effects/

fluoridealert.org/issues/tsca-fluoride-trial/fact-sheet/

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Carantoc said..

Where is that text in that link ?

I had cavities fairly regularly, about one every ~4 years. Then, I began using bicarbonate as a mouthwash 14 years ago, and I've enjoyed excellent morning breath and zero teeth issues since.
I've been 7 stage reverse osmosis filtering my water for 16 years, which should hopefully remove most of the toxic additives from my water.

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FlySurfer said..
I had cavities fairly regularly, about one every ~4 years. Then, I began using bicarbonate as a mouthwash 14 years ago, and I've enjoyed excellent morning breath and zero teeth issues since.
I've been 7 stage reverse osmosis filtering my water for 16 years, which should hopefully remove most of the toxic additives from my water.

Make sure you use a fluoride free toothpaste too ??
This one I get from Woolworths and is literally the only item I buy from the corrupt pigs.
The blue grants toothpaste is fluoride free and has bicarbonate soda.

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remery said..

Carantoc said..

This paper reviews the human health effects of fluoride. The authors conclude that available evidence suggests that fluoride has a potential to cause major adverse human health problems, while having only a modest dental caries prevention effect.

www.hindawi.com/journals/tswj/2014/293019/

"Misconduct was most prevalent in the year 2016, with a majority of analysed papers published in the Scientific World Journal facing retraction for reason fake-peer review processes undertaken by authors using fake email accounts."www.nature.com/articles/s41599-023-02095-x

Terrible isn't it?
Everything is misinformation these days (if it doesn't fit in with the correct agenda.)

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FlySurfer said..
I had cavities fairly regularly, about one every ~4 years. Then, I began using bicarbonate as a mouthwash 14 years ago, and I've enjoyed excellent morning breath and zero teeth issues since.
I've been 7 stage reverse osmosis filtering my water for 16 years, which should hopefully remove most of the toxic additives from my water.

I had a cavity filled at age 64, the previous filling was when I was 14. I grew up drinking fluoridated water and I use toothpaste with fluoride.

The first retraction of a paper from India occurred in 1992 from the Japanese Journal of Medical Science & Biology (published 1990) for duplicate publication by authors as they published identical data in the Journal of Medical Microbiology. The second retraction took place in 1993 from the Indian Journal of Gastroenterology due to duplicate publication.

We retrieved retracted publications with Indian affiliations indexed in MEDLINE between 1 January 1990 to 31 December 2021. During this period a total of 619 papers....While retractions still account for a small fraction of all publications (0.1%),....

The reasons for retractions included plagiarism (27%), falsification and fabrication (26%), duplicate publication (21%), erroneous data (12%), authorship issues (4%), fake-peer reviews (3%), and ethical and funding issues (2%).


So this link cited says fake peer review is attributal to 3% of 0.1% of all papers from 1990 to 2021. So that is 619,000 published and 19 with fake peer review ?

I'se got no idea what point was trying to be made in citing this paper, other than to presumably discredit the original video by suggesting the other thing that was citied to dicredit but turned out to support it, can't be now used eitherway because the majority of Indian published papers have fake peer reviews...

So... I am assuming the next attempt will be to find a third link to discredit this second link from being a valid reason not to invalidate the first link ?

Be-jeeze, would be easier for everyone if you just found some random link that conforms to your first argument, rather than having to keep finding random links to discredit your previous links when it turns out that argument actually supports the opposite position.........



For the record, given the choice I'd take flourinated water for dental health benefits with low risk side effects. I just don't get why society adds one substance as a beneficial health measure and not anything else. And not sure why people who'd chose to rather not take it are forced to because it is arbitarily added...

Morphine and chocolate have major mental health benefits to myself. Not suggesting everybody else should have to take it mixed into their morning coco-pops.

well we were low in iodine so they add it to salt I think?

Having worked at the coalface for a few decades I feel I can add a couple of points here.

Sodium bicarbonate mouthwash is fab. I could fill a page with the 'why' but simply put, it works. Do it!

Unless you actually have a bacterial imbalance or gum disease, antibacterial mouthwashes are of limited use and mainly just a triumph of the marketing division. (Ones with alcohol are probably worse.) For good oral health you want as many of the good bugs in your gob as possible. They will help keep the bad boys under control. Antibacterial mouthwashes just napalm everything, which is good when you are over-run with the bad boys, but not required when things are pretty stable. Bad bugs tend to form colonies in the dark corners, don't like to be disturbed, and make slimy protective domes which are really quite good at resisting chemical attacks. The good guys tend to just be floating around and just chillin' . They get smashed by chemicals. For a healthy gob, just keep disrupting and dislodging the bad colonies with a floss/interdental brush and, in most people, the biota will shift toward the good guys. Use whatever paste you want, it's not that important. I should add that unless you have gum disease, most of the bad breath bugs live on your tongue, so lots of fibre in your diet and a good scrape is the plan.

R/O (reverse osmosis) is required to remove Fluoride from water.

Drinking R/O long term is not recommended. You are a big bag of salty water with some minerals and stuff. If you drink pure water the osmotic pressure drives the minerals out of your body fluids and into your intestine in order to restore the balance. Long term there is a risk of mineral deficiency if you don't take steps to replace the mineral loss. Your large intestine and kidneys are awesome at recovering minerals from your waste, but eventually the ion exchange mechanisms can no longer keep robbing Peter to pay Paul and you lose minerals.

Fluoride benefits teeth mostly when they are being formed and maturing, but has shown benefits at all ages of life for all mineralised tissues. Again, I could stuff a whole page in here, but probably should just use a meme. Probs not going to change anyone's belief system on the benefits vs risks so won't prattle on.

Your genetics (natural defence mechanisms), diet, and your ability to clean BETWEEN your teeth are major determinants of your dental health. FN's point is valid because many of the patients I saw that had gum and cardio issues also had a veritable list of co-morbitities. Generally, they were just rubbish at looking after their health regardless of orifice or organ and nailing down the original pathway for disease was almost a moot point.

Gum inflammation results in elevated levels of an inflammatory marker called C reactive protein. You can Google Scholar the relationship between this and cardiac disease. Use the Cochrane library reviews to get the gold standard research. (It's free to Australians).

The highest density of dentists per population in Aus are in areas with unfluoridated water.

And finally some anecdotal gold stuff too. I worked for WAHealth as a dentist in the Kimberley and Gibson desert. I visited the various Aboriginal communities/camps to provide a modicum of dental care. Some of this camps had naturally fluoridated water.(luckily, at almost the ideal rate.) Very few of the inhabitants of any of these places had any sort of relationship with a toothbrush. They all had tuck shops selling sugary crap and junk. In the unfluoridated camps it was a car smash of oral disease and a nasty business most of the time. In the fluoridated camps I was done in a day.

Now, did I mention Bicarb mouthwashes?

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I'm not saying it is bad or done for nefarious reasons, I'm just asking what is so special about floride compared to anything else that is has to be added to public drinking water ?

Because if you deliver it in the chemtrails it forms a highly poisonous gas, so better to add it to water

Water? No, they are onto that. We add it to bacarbonate of soda. It sounds natural to most people, so they never notice.

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decrepit said..
well we were low in iodine so they add it to salt I think?

Correct. Too many goitres. But you could also just eat seafood.

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snoidberg said..
True, but alot of people today are realising the benefits of fasting.
Also having lots of omega 3 and reducing omega 6.
As for fluoride the most at risk of having their brain damaged are unborn babies in a mother's womb and up to 6 months old babies because they haven't fully developed a blood brain barrier to stop the fluoride from entering the brain tissue.
Keep checking updates on the current lawsuit against fluoride in the USA.

childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/fluoride-trial-week-1-takeaways-neurotoxic-effects/

fluoridealert.org/issues/tsca-fluoride-trial/fact-sheet/

Interesting read.
Following from that I was put onto probiotic toothpaste this morning. Apparently the lactobacillus feeds on the bacteria that causes decay. I dunno.
www.pharmacydirect.com.au/henry-blooms-probiotic-toothpaste-100g?gclid=Cj0KCQjw6PGxBhCVARIsAIumnWau-X__MjfKSqEBGJvJEIn41rLUlpww6526tH3kwblApeD9tIilYA0aAspKEALw_wcB