I apologize that I'm posting a link to a website that is so USA focused, but that's probably OK because peacenlove only cares about American politics.

guides.library.harvard.edu/newsleans/thechart?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1iXSJAW-ae0ZF8LqMaOv2AgQ-G71f2J1YSbv1f3fu1F8W8AJHtAztDx_U_aem_Y52HKoCraxjfvjoJdJUKPw

No need to apologise if you've done nothing wrong.

In actual fact, I'm responding to topics created by others with an inherent American bias, but let's not allow a false reading to spoil your fun bro.

Edit: I find these type of websites to be the very embodiment of what they're trying to explain - observer bias! I mean, who do these academics/writers think they are - rating hundreds of media outlets based on some artificial metrics they define themselves?

It's just not credible.

What i find is that the closer we come to the truth, the more likely that the BLOB will try to paint the media as "right wing" or "conservative". Truth is inherently, conservative, while propaganda is often exceptionally progressive un-factual nonsense.

Ultimately, the left-right divide is a false artificial narrative designed to perpetuate discord and argument in the general population, allowing free air above for those self-appointed elites to rule.

look at all the stuff left of middle!
Fox looks better than I thought
maybe trump is hardly done buy the media

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What i find is that the closer we come to the truth, the more likely that the BLOB will try to paint the media as "right wing" or "conservative". Truth is inherently, conservative, while propaganda is often exceptionally progressive un-factual nonsense.

Again. Bollocks.
By its very nature, truth is independent of ideology because it is factual.
Conservative and Progressive ideologies both use propaganda. The Iraq War and Weapons of Mass Destruction and it all its death and destruction; Unfactual nonsense that was decidedly not progressive in origin.

Updated to include Shooting the breeze

Hmm, bias. First you find the mean and then sort to the right and left of that. America being self absorbed and parochial ignores the biases of other countries. It turns out the right in America is practically fascist, the far right definitely is fascist, the left is moderately right, and the far left is moderately left.

That chart above has a right biased mean. If you put PBS smack in the middle you get a more realistic picture from an international perspective.

Also the notion that truth is inherently conservative is ridiculous. Ask any conservative how many genders there are and then consult the science. Listen to anything American Congresspersons have to say, or Trump, or any of the right wing rump like Ben Shapiro or Charlie Kirk or Denis Prager etc etc. They are all full of bull**** and the dummies that follow them repeat their nonsense in the sure confidence that they have found the source of truth. smh.

Conservationism is most closely associated with truth itself by its nature.

Progressivism is mostly a digression from established norms and truths, by their very nature.

www.etymonline.com/word/conservative

"late 14c., conservatyf, "tending to preserve or protect, preservative, having the power to keep whole or safe," from Old French conservatif, from Medieval Latin conservativus, from Latin conservatus, past participle of conservare "to keep, preserve, keep intact, guard," from assimilated form of com-, here perhaps an intensive prefix (see com-), + servare "keep watch, maintain" (from PIE root *ser- (1) "to protect")."

When we are mindful of truth, it's natural to conserve that truth. When instead we are attempting to upset the natural order that includes truth itself, like Carl Marx's Communist Manifesto for example, we are working against the natural order and instead, fostering systems of control, politics of division and artificial classifications constructed by a madman that, remove us from the natural order of things and truth.

Notions of right and left are not useful in finding truth, and are designed like most artificial constructs to stymie us from finding any truth whatsoever. For example, the truth is that there are only two sexes in Homo sapiens and any diversion from this truth is either an anomaly of the natural order by defect of gestation or after-birth, or an artificial philosophical construct of public discourse. It is neither right wing, left wing nor has anything to do with bias. Gender studies has further clouded our pursuit of truth, since the topic has reached such a broad spectrum of fantasy that finding any truth is next to impossible.

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peacenlove said..
Conservationism is most closely associated with truth itself by its nature.

I thought the four paragraphs below were going to attempt to explain this odd statement.

Another 5 minutes I'll never get back.

Truth is that the truth is the truth because it's the truth.

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myscreenname said..
Truth is that the truth is the truth because it's the truth.

Or, "what is, is"

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GasHazard said..
Hmm, bias.

Interesting you seem to only consider the x-axis there.

I'd have thought placing Seabreeze.com.au just below FoxNews and on par with the Mirror for "value and reliability"would be the biggest issue.


Remember what a wise sage once said :

"never underestimate the juxtaposition of the high value but low reliability of the green arrows"

or the full quote from Confucius :

"fool me once, fool on me, fool me twice then fool on you. But show me a windy forecast for three days time and you can can fool me over and over again"

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Another 5 minutes I'll never get back...

Hey msn,

As we both know I am always interested in your thoughts on the serious issues of the day.

So what would you say if somebody postulated that p&l now appears to consider Seabreeze.com.au/General Forum to be a full time occupation to which 40 hours per week must be dedicated ?

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/General-Discussion/Chat/Ouch?page=5#lastpost

Wow, gone into overdrive today. I counted 6 8 posts in a row. RUOK p&l?

Peace and love on that mojo

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he need some m?lk

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myscreenname said..
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/General-Discussion/Chat/Ouch?page=5#lastpost

Wow, gone into overdrive today. I counted 6 8 posts in a row. RUOK p&l?

Fine thanks brother. Are you OK?

No one man or woman has the right to judge me brother.

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peacenlove said..
Fine thanks brother. Are you OK?

No one man or woman has the right to judge me brother.

Why would we judge your brother? Do we even know him? Is he on the forum?

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FormulaNova said..
Why would we judge your brother? Do we even know him? Is he on the forum?

What if p&l's brother is remery ?

Then it seems that one man did indeed judge him, and also find him guilty, pass sentance and enforce the law.

So then it would be agreed and accepted here that p&l is wrong stands corrected.

Remery's Dad was a motor mechanic and Remery knows a lot about cars - they are in his blood.

Therefore if Remery has a brother it would be highly unlikely he would own a Skoda.

Hey bjw, if seabreeze is modernized one day I would suggest a countdown for suspended users so we know when they are expected to be released.

God-damn msn, can't fault that logic.

And even if he did have a skoda, anyone with an ounce of motoring knowledge or heritage wouldn't be proud of the fact and go sprouting off about it in public to tens of thousands of Seabreeze forum members.

Be-jeeze, I'd hate to play you in a game of Cluedo.

Although this doesn't get us any closer to the answer to the question :
Does any single man or single woman have the right to judge p&l's brother?

This might be one of those very rare occasions that can only be solved using remery's scientific mind, so unfortunately it seems we will have to wait...

But I do fear that if p&l's brother is an idiot, then we may never find the answer.

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But I do fear that if p&l's brother is an idiot, then we may never find the answer.

If you look at all the facts.

p&l talks about his brother in almost every post, he's extremely protective of him. Almost like he and his brother are more than just brothers: like they are joined at the hip.

Hmmmm, I think I'm onto something here.

Anyone know the movie Basket Case?



Duane also had a huge chip on his shoulder and was very protective of his deformed Siamese twin, Belial.

congrats you two, this is the best read for miles around. Keep it up if you can

Which one of the below statements aligns more closely to questioning the status quo and seeking the truth.

When we are mindful of truth, it's natural to conserve that truth

Progressivism is mostly a digression from established norms and truths, by their very nature.

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FormulaNova said..
Why would we judge your brother? Do we even know him? Is he on the forum?

What if p&l's brother is remery ?

Then it seems that one man did indeed judge him, and also find him guilty, pass sentance and enforce the law.

So then it would be agreed and accepted here that p&l is wrong stands corrected.

I did a search on the interwebby for the answer to the identity of the brother. It seems Bernie Taupin knew all along.
His brother is Daniel. He is older than him.
He is leaving tonight on a plane.
He is going to Spain, cos it's the prettiest place he has ever been.

"Our survey goes beyond commonly studied correlates of trust in scientists in four important ways. First, we investigate how trust in scientists relates to science-related populist attitudes. Science-related populists deny that scientists are knowledgeable experts and believe that they do not act in the interest of the general public-two key aspects of trust in scientists. Second, we investigate whether trust in scientists is related to people's Social Dominance Orientation (SDO), which has been defined as "the degree to which individuals desire and support group-based hierarchy and the domination of 'inferior' groups by 'superior' groups". Individuals high in SDO are arguably less likely to trust scientists, as they perceive universities as hierarchy-attenuating social institutions. Previous research supports this, showing that high SDO is a predictor of low trust in scientists and distrust in climate science.
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Trust and its correlates such as right-leaning and conservative political orientation, education and religiosity clearly vary across countries. This exemplifies the need for more international research that includes underrepresented countries and understudied subpopulations. Our findings also highlight the inconsistency in the association between political orientation depending on the measure used (left-right versus liberal-conservative) and the country of study, as well as the importance of ideology-specifically SDO-in relating to trust in scientists. While previous research finds that SDO is associated with the rejection of specific scientific information, such as the reality of climate change or the safety and efficacy of vaccines, our findings support the idea that SDO may play a more fundamental role in undermining trust in scientists more generally. Scientists who challenge unjust social hierarchies might increase benevolence perceptions among some groups but would probably further decrease trust among people with SDOs. Interventions could be developed to build the perceived trustworthiness of scientists and involve trusted communicators outside of scientific institutions."

Cologna, V., Mede, N.G., Berger, S. et al. Trust in scientists and their role in society across 68 countries. Nat Hum Behav (2025). doi.org/10.1038/s41562-024-02090-5

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remery said..

Trans women are not real women
A human foetus is a human life

above are a couple of facts, which category do you fit into ?

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cammd said..

Trans women are not real women
A human foetus is a human life

above are a couple of facts, which category do you fit into ?

Neither.

Ouchies indeed. Seems sensitive nerves were struck a little hard with a dose of truth and lockdown policy enacted. Probably good since most people can't handle a fully open discussion on the inconvenient truths we must face in Mother Earth. They would prefer to trust those who stand to make massive windfalls in cash, rather than those who have no interest other than truth and light prevailing for a change.

Straighten up mi matees, it's gunna be a bumpy ride!

But fear not, it's going to be such paradise when the loving peaceful energies are restored here.

Peace be with all.

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peacenlove said..
Ouchies indeed. Seems sensitive nerves were struck a little hard with a dose of truth and lockdown policy enacted. Probably good since most people can't handle a fully open discussion on the inconvenient truths we must face in Mother Earth. They would prefer to trust those who stand to make massive windfalls in cash, rather than those who have no interest other than truth and light prevailing for a change.

Straighten up mi matees, it's gunna be a bumpy ride!

But fear not, it's going to be such paradise when the loving peaceful energies are restored here.

Peace be with all.

I'm sorry to say that there are very few "sensitive nerves struck".

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I'm sorry to say that there are very few "sensitive nerves struck".

That sounds like what a politician who retired to become a dentist would say

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peacenlove said..
Ouchies indeed. Seems sensitive nerves were struck a little hard with a dose of truth and lockdown policy enacted. Probably good since most people can't handle a fully open discussion on the inconvenient truths we must face in Mother Earth. They would prefer to trust those who stand to make massive windfalls in cash, rather than those who have no interest other than truth and light prevailing for a change.

Straighten up mi matees, it's gunna be a bumpy ride!

But fear not, it's going to be such paradise when the loving peaceful energies are restored here.

Peace be with all.

I'm sorry to say that there are very few "sensitive nerves struck".

Apology accepted. Carry on brother.

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remery said..
I'm sorry to say that there are very few "sensitive nerves struck".

Apology accepted. Carry on brother.

There was not apology.?si=ulGGPhap8_lcU6PN