I believe we are all excited by developments in rescue attempts of teenager boys trapped inside the cave in Thailand.
There are many ways to help:
-some may pray
-other sends funds and material help
-even multimedia interest is very valuable as global interest may help to resolve the problem. My small input still needs more time to realize it brings any help.
After riding about Elon Musk involvement and sending experts to the site, I decided to send him a tip.
seems proposed by his plastic tunnel seems to be unpractical, I suggested to use eggs like a capsule, in a direct tweet to Elon.

Since then idea developed into micro submarine quickly.I am very excited to see if the idea works as imagined.

If you have any idea too how to help or resolve, you may present as well. There is always a chance somebody is listening to good ideas.

www.theverge.com/2018/7/7/17544452/elon-musk-spacex-thailand-cave-soccer-team-kid-sized-submarine-rescue

Maybe I am mistaken here.
We don't need any ideas but miracle intervention.
Monks already took a credit for the temporary break in the rain.
It all happens due to their prayers.

Now every possible outcome we could only attribute to Gods will:
1) successful rescue - due to a miracle and prove of Gods intervention
2) failure - Gods will too
Monks and other charlatans can't go wrong

I heard Elon Musk was sending Powerwall batteries to the cave. I thought (a) how are they going to get them through the squeeze points in the tunnel where divers have to remove their tanks to get through, and (b) how do they recharge them? Running power through watery tunnels has got to be against all sorts of OH & S rules.

But he is also into tubes....the Hyperloop. That's the solution. Not the Hyperloop, but a tube.
You plastic weld tubes long enough to line the flooded sections of the cave. You place inflatable ribs inside the tube. Think Kitesurfer type construction. Divers pull the tubes into the tunnel, then inflate the ribs to open up the tube. Boys crawl out through the tube. No scuba required
You're welcome.

I tough that the easiest could be teleportation hub.Seems we have here whole SpaceX team we could borrow that idea from StarTreck movie.There is small chance that by mistake poor boys could be teleported lights years away to a strange planet, instead of their familiar island.A small miscalculation in wormhole and we could land even bigger problem.How to brings back the whole team from Vega constellation.

This lady has been to Vega already. It cost her 18 hours of her life.



But Star trek tubes could make whole SpaceX BFR ambitious program obsolete. Why to build huge 150 tones capacity rocket if you could beam yourself onto Mars from telephone like teleportation booth?

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Mr Milk said..
I heard Elon Musk was sending Powerwall batteries to the cave. I thought (a) how are they going to get them through the squeeze points in the tunnel where divers have to remove their tanks to get through, and (b) how do they recharge them? Running power through watery tunnels has got to be against all sorts of OH & S rules.

But he is also into tubes....the Hyperloop. That's the solution. Not the Hyperloop, but a tube.
You plastic weld tubes long enough to line the flooded sections of the cave. You place inflatable ribs inside the tube. Think Kitesurfer type construction. Divers pull the tubes into the tunnel, then inflate the ribs to open up the tube. Boys crawl out through the tube. No scuba required
You're welcome.

I do not agree. Batteries are needed for boys to play video games in the cave. The initial plan was talking about months or year of habitation in a remote underground cave. The main risk then is dying of boredom there. But bringing the fiber optics to the cavemen was one of the best ideas. There is never too late for good porn streamed to young heads at 4k quality.

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Macroscien said..
Maybe I am mistaken here.
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Monks and other charlatans can't go wrong

I don't think you are mistaken Macro, just a simple spelling error.

I believe the sarcasm you meant to say was :

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Musk and other charlatans can't go wrong

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Macroscien said..

Mr Milk said..
I heard Elon Musk was sending Powerwall batteries to the cave. I thought (a) how are they going to get them through the squeeze points in the tunnel where divers have to remove their tanks to get through, and (b) how do they recharge them? Running power through watery tunnels has got to be against all sorts of OH & S rules.

But he is also into tubes....the Hyperloop. That's the solution. Not the Hyperloop, but a tube.
You plastic weld tubes long enough to line the flooded sections of the cave. You place inflatable ribs inside the tube. Think Kitesurfer type construction. Divers pull the tubes into the tunnel, then inflate the ribs to open up the tube. Boys crawl out through the tube. No scuba required
You're welcome.

I do not agree. Batteries are needed for boys to play video games in the cave. The initial plan was talking about months or year of habitation in a remote underground cave. The main risk then is dying of boredom there. But bringing the fiber optics to the cavemen was one of the best ideas. There is never too late for good porn streamed to young heads at 4k quality.

Mabee a bit soon ?

Yep, too soon

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Carantoc said..

Macroscien said..
Maybe I am mistaken here.
...
Monks and other charlatans can't go wrong

I don't think you are mistaken Macro, just a simple spelling error.

I believe the sarcasm you meant to say was :

Musk and other charlatans can't go wrong

Yep, nowadays we may be considered such an approach to religious relics as a sarcasm.
But in the case of the totally successful rescue operation, we may never know if that success we achieved thanks to:
1) Monks, prayers and miraculous intervention
2) hard-working people here on Earth that been determined to achieve this success even if needs to sacrifice their own health or life sometimes.
I would rather thank those real people then put another candle in the saint monastery.

I pray that such time will come when people on occasions could simply say:
" our thoughts ...."
and that will be sufficient enough without " and prayers"

Is it racist to mock Buddhist monks that think they can control the weather????


What's the PC law on this??

4 out, 8 more to go.
Musk may be a bit late with his mini-sub, but they should still be working on it in case there is a hitch with the current rescue efforts.

full face masks (which I just read they are using) are the go. The ones they use in documentries so you can speak. Then they will have someone before and after them holding their tank with a long line. all they have to do is hold someones hand. and inch along a guide rope. each obstacle will have staging points and support staff. It's a doddle.
Thai navy seal died but he ran out of air ferrying staging bottles. poor guy. i think they have stockpiles of bottles now

Here are Elon mini-submarines prototypes.
Even if not here and now, there is a place and needs for such devices in the future.
Imagine rescue for sunken ferry and cruise ships, submarines, flooded tunnels.



we could add propulsion system and an ultrasonic sensor for autonomous navigation in any underwater environment.

I would add aslo caterpillar tracks to crawl over the dry but muddy area.

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TonyAbbott said..
Is it racist to mock Buddhist monks that think they can control the weather????


What's the PC law on this??

At least we know who's fault is that in the first place.
This army of Monks shown here is praying for rain just before cave flooding happen.


If their action caused that fatal flooding, all Monks should take now buckets and shovels to clear the mess they caused.
There is also evidence that horrific rain and flooding now in Japan also may be contributed to excessive paying for rain.

Who takes responsibilities for hundreds of lives lost in Japan now and billions of dollars in damages? Unfortunately, every other nation have the similar army of religious devotis that live to pray ( instead of work or any other useful activity).
Pray for rain or pray to kill as many enemies as they could.
Even US president needs to have God on his side once bombing millions of innocent lives.

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Macroscien said..

TonyAbbott said..
Is it racist to mock Buddhist monks that think they can control the weather????


What's the PC law on this??

At least we know who's fault is that in the first place.
This army of Monks shown here is praying for rain just before cave flooding happen.


If their action caused that fatal flooding, all Monks should take now buckets and shovels to clear the mess they caused.
There is also evidence that horrific rain and flooding now in Japan also may be contributed to excessive paying for rain.

Who takes responsibilities for hundreds of lives lost in Japan now and billions of dollars in damages? Unfortunately, every other nation have the similar army of religious devotis that live to pray ( instead of work or any other useful activity).
Pray for rain or pray to kill as many enemies as they could.
Even US president needs to have God on his side once bombing millions of innocent lives.

Macro,
A minor point, but to my knowledge, Buddhist monks don't prey to a diety....

(Apologies for seeming pedantic, but I'm an atheist who has a great deal of respect for Buddhist philosophy) ?

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Skid said..

Macroscien said..

TonyAbbott said..
Is it racist to mock Buddhist monks that think they can control the weather????


What's the PC law on this??

At least we know who's fault is that in the first place.
This army of Monks shown here is praying for rain just before cave flooding happen.


If their action caused that fatal flooding, all Monks should take now buckets and shovels to clear the mess they caused.
There is also evidence that horrific rain and flooding now in Japan also may be contributed to excessive paying for rain.

Who takes responsibilities for hundreds of lives lost in Japan now and billions of dollars in damages? Unfortunately, every other nation have the similar army of religious devotis that live to pray ( instead of work or any other useful activity).
Pray for rain or pray to kill as many enemies as they could.
Even US president needs to have God on his side once bombing millions of innocent lives.

Macro,
A minor point, but to my knowledge, Buddhist monks don't prey to a diety....

(Apologies for seeming pedantic, but I'm an atheist who has a great deal of respect for Buddhist philosophy) ?

Maybe you are right and times will come that all basic work will do done by our servant robots.So all people could immerse in transcendental endless mediation.
Living vegetables - ends of human evolution.
PS.
Please excuse my complete ignorance but what enlighten me on the subject:
1) If Monks are allowed/ engaged actively in procreation? If not, then whole future human vegetable civilization must be artificially cloned by our servant robots.
2) If all monks are males? or women monks are allowed too? or maybe they ( women) are lacking the imagination to reach the pinnacle of pure absurd that monks excel?
3) where is the place for kids in monks community? Same as for Catholic clergy? So maybe really we should promote another kind of religion that prefer goats and sheep instead of adolescent males to fulfill sexually obsessed dreams.

I do a bit of diving and I would not be real keen on getting in one of those tin cans. Think they are too long to be practical in a cave situation as they would wedge fairly easlily with any change in direction required.
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www.facebook.com/InTheKnowByAOL/videos/1936735509952436/


if not here, there will be plenty of opportunities to try SpaceX submarine in the future.

If not they could attach one of those Merlin engines, travel through this 4 km cave may take few seconds.
Hopefully, they will not use one of those to transport people to the Mars on the 1-year long journey.But maybe I wrong and Monks would love to spend a year in comfy claustrophobic confided coffin contemplating cave currents.

In any other country teacher that endanger his flock of students could undergo disciplinary action or prosecution.But not here.
The Saint Monk that lead kids into the cave, is protected from ABOVE from any prosecution.



No doubt that fullish, unnecessary accident will be later turned around to illustrate how Gods will protect you at any conditions and list of historical miracles book extend.
Eventually, whole credit for saving boys life will to Higher Majore not those brave divers and whole community supporting them.

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Skid said..

Macroscien said..

TonyAbbott said..
Is it racist to mock Buddhist monks that think they can control the weather????


What's the PC law on this??

At least we know who's fault is that in the first place.
This army of Monks shown here is praying for rain just before cave flooding happen.


If their action caused that fatal flooding, all Monks should take now buckets and shovels to clear the mess they caused.
There is also evidence that horrific rain and flooding now in Japan also may be contributed to excessive paying for rain.

Who takes responsibilities for hundreds of lives lost in Japan now and billions of dollars in damages? Unfortunately, every other nation have the similar army of religious devotis that live to pray ( instead of work or any other useful activity).
Pray for rain or pray to kill as many enemies as they could.
Even US president needs to have God on his side once bombing millions of innocent lives.

Macro,
A minor point, but to my knowledge, Buddhist monks don't prey to a diety....

(Apologies for seeming pedantic, but I'm an atheist who has a great deal of respect for Buddhist philosophy) ?

There are many different versions and interpretations of Buddhism. Some pray to deities. It's not just pedantic but kinda interesting too.

I like to think of the deities as real, actual patterns in nature, at one level, one scale, or another.

Source: Monkey Magic

1) evil panda gets a thumbs up for his monkey magic reference (I own the box set it's timeless)

2) I have been watching this and have great interest too see them all escape. I think they have done an amazing job so far and just need to focus on the last haul.

3) if they all get out alive is it divine intervention or science and human spirit that allowed it?

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Macroscien said..
In any other country teacher that endanger his flock of students could undergo disciplinary action or prosecution.But not here.
The Saint Monk that lead kids into the cave, is protected from ABOVE from any prosecution.



No doubt that fullish, unnecessary accident will be later turned around to illustrate how Gods will protect you at any conditions and list of historical miracles book extend.
Eventually, whole credit for saving boys life will to Higher Majore not those brave divers and whole community supporting them.

What caused the rain that flooded the caves. Ask insurance company's

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evlPanda said..

Source: Monkey Magic

correction needed:
source: Netflix
Monkey: not magic but Time Travelers

12 +1 Monks landed in the cave straight from XXII century.

Now everything becomes clear to me.
A team of time travelers from a.d 2118 landed in the cave expecting popular tourist destination as per XXII century standards.Didn't expect that cave system will be fully developed after that accident, not any earlier.
Properly developed due to this coincidental mass advertised event.
Looks like an excellent example of time paradox.