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poor relative
poor relative
WA
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WA, 9106 posts
2 Jun 2011 9:59am
Following on from the mens shed thread its inspired me to build a good man space in my yard.
Only thing is when it comes to DIY i am crap.

So how difficult is it, i reckon i'm good to follow instructions and put the colourbond structure up just worried about doing the slab.

Anyone got advice, warnings or experience?
felixdcat
felixdcat
WA
3519 posts
WA, 3519 posts
2 Jun 2011 10:12am
Depending on the shed size go for concrete 400 mm x 400 mm pavers, easy to lay even if you are like me (useless at paving and concreting) and that would be good for a small shed like 10 ft x 10 ft .If you plan to go bigger it may pay to get a poured concrete pad.......... now there get help from someone that know what he is doing.... would be easier and cheaper than having to brake it to remove it after you found that it is not flat and that the shed looks funny and the door doesn't close
choco
choco
SA
4181 posts
SA, 4181 posts
2 Jun 2011 11:43am
poor relative said...

Following on from the mens shed thread its inspired me to build a good man space in my yard.
Only thing is when it comes to DIY i am crap.

So how difficult is it, i reckon i'm good to follow instructions and put the colourbond structure up just worried about doing the slab.

Anyone got advice, warnings or experience?


you can never build a big enough shed
felixdcat
felixdcat
WA
3519 posts
WA, 3519 posts
2 Jun 2011 10:14am
choco said...

poor relative said...

Following on from the mens shed thread its inspired me to build a good man space in my yard.
Only thing is when it comes to DIY i am crap.

So how difficult is it, i reckon i'm good to follow instructions and put the colourbond structure up just worried about doing the slab.

Anyone got advice, warnings or experience?


you can never build a big enough shed

Yes but you can build extensions!

knigit
knigit
WA
319 posts
WA, 319 posts
2 Jun 2011 10:50am
I would go the concrete slab if I were you, it's not rocket science. Pavers are a nuisance and are just as much work as building the formwork for the slab.

A few bit's of wood and a long clear hosepipe as a water level is about all the gear you need. Get a concrete taxi or similar, bugger mixing it yourself.
dinsdale
dinsdale
WA
1227 posts
WA, 1227 posts
2 Jun 2011 11:25am
choco said...
you can never build a big enough shed

Here here! Your junk collection will always expand to fill the available space - hence it'll never be wasted space.
I don't muck about with concrete myself. I just get someone in to do the slab for me. If you're half as crap as me at the grano work it's money well spent. As knigit said slabs are just much hassle, and are really substandard as a proper shed floor.

My present (main) shed is 12m x 9m x 4.2m at the gutter . It's like boy heaven in there. Plus we have a 3m x 3m garden shed, a double colourbond garage, a single brick garage and a 3 car car port. Spoilt for choice I reckon .


Simondo
Simondo
VIC
8025 posts
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2 Jun 2011 1:27pm
In theory, councils do prefer you get a planning permit, and building permit.... generally speaking....

The tin shed does heat up a bit, and cool down..., radiant heat off the roof... So it is not perfect for storing boards up close to the hot tin.... But better than direct sunlight!

The effort on the concrete is worth it.

Search You Tube, and you'll probably find a DIY Concrete video to help you out..... (???)....

You can probably make a garden bed, and/or vege garden with you excavated material.
Ian K
Ian K
WA
4169 posts
WA, 4169 posts
2 Jun 2011 2:28pm
Recently put up a small shed 3m by 3m. Was hesitant about laying a slab so built a treated pine deck to go under it. Not so much wet concrete to go off all in the one hit. Standard deck footings, bearers etc from the DIY book on decks and patios at Bunnings. Cost probably comparable for small sheds, but slabs might win on cost for larger sheds.

Advantages . That homely shearing shed ambience, you've got underneath to store old sailing gear and provide a home for small critters.

Disadvantages - you can't park the car in it or install heavy workshop gear.
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
2 Jun 2011 3:40pm
Free beers at Rellie's new shed!!

Got a shiny new(ish) kite pump you might wanna put in that shed.

BTW - have heaps of concrete slabs if you want em.
GypsyDrifter
GypsyDrifter
WA
2371 posts
WA, 2371 posts
2 Jun 2011 3:40pm
Simondo said...

In theory, councils do prefer you get a planning permit, and building permit.... generally speaking....


I know in the rockingham shire you need a permit to erect a piece of tin
GPA
GPA
WA
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GPA GPA
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2 Jun 2011 4:02pm
GypsyDrifter said...

Simondo said...

In theory, councils do prefer you get a planning permit, and building permit.... generally speaking....


I know in the rockingham shire you need a permit to erect a piece of tin


I think it may be that 'over a certain size' needs council permission. I recently had a Stratco 4m x 3m 'heritage type' shed installed and was told that it was within permissible size... (City of Joondalup).

Diver
Diver
WA
554 posts
WA, 554 posts
2 Jun 2011 4:04pm
Timber floor would be the go - as long as it can handle a good workbench and tools.

Also put at least two locks on the door and hide the keys!

Made the fatal mistake of "allowing" the Mrs to put some of her stuff in the (my) shed. Now I can hardly get in there and am getting questions about when am I going to get rid of my stuff (boards, wetsuits, tools, camping gear) so she can put more of her stuff in.
GypsyDrifter
GypsyDrifter
WA
2371 posts
WA, 2371 posts
2 Jun 2011 4:06pm
Diver said...

Timber floor would be the go - as long as it can handle a good workbench and tools.

Also put at least two locks on the door and hide the keys!

Made the fatal mistake of "allowing" the Mrs to put some of her stuff in the (my) shed. Now I can hardly get in there and am getting questions about when am I going to get rid of my stuff (boards, wetsuits, tools, camping gear) so she can put more of her stuff in.


hmmmmm! Buy her her own shed!
Diver
Diver
WA
554 posts
WA, 554 posts
2 Jun 2011 4:11pm
^^^^^

She'd fill that up as well
kyteryder
kyteryder
NSW
692 posts
NSW, 692 posts
2 Jun 2011 7:07pm
councils have an exempt development, within policy for some structures. In NSW most councils included sheds within this code, under 20m2. Which means you dont need their permission. I'm not sure what the regulations are in Chad, but maybe you could check it out. A 50mm to 75mm slab is all you will need for a small shed. not to hard to do. My first slab i did was perfect for a water tank.
Give it ago, not too hard. Even Bunnings have basic info on slab pouring for paths.

Goodluck KR
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
2 Jun 2011 5:54pm
Just finished a limesone retainer today looks shmick and is solid.
I'm feeling adventurous and manly.

think i might give the slab a go.
I'm only going to put a small shed on this one 3x3 but will be for keeping toys in bikes, kites boards, etc etc so want it dry and safe.

I've got room at the back of the yard for a proper shed where men can make stuff, drink beer and watch footy - it means cutting down an old black boy which pains me a bit so i will contemplate it for a while.

Thanks for the advice all and thanks for the offer of slabs funkster
Prawnhead
Prawnhead
NSW
1317 posts
NSW, 1317 posts
2 Jun 2011 8:08pm
you know the drill PR...... photos ....or a "limesone retainer" is really just a double gin with slice of lime in a fancy glass
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
2 Jun 2011 6:11pm
LOL

I'll post some photos tomorrow right now i am aching and enjoying a cold beer.
Craig66
Craig66
NSW
2466 posts
NSW, 2466 posts
2 Jun 2011 8:20pm
kyteryder said...

councils have an exempt development, within policy for some structures. In NSW most councils included sheds within this code, under 20m2. Which means you dont need their permission. I'm not sure what the regulations are in Chad, but maybe you could check it out. A 50mm to 75mm slab is all you will need for a small shed. not to hard to do. My first slab i did was perfect for a water tank.
Give it ago, not too hard. Even Bunnings have basic info on slab pouring for paths.

Goodluck KR


Bunnings = brainewashed
kyteryder
kyteryder
NSW
692 posts
NSW, 692 posts
2 Jun 2011 8:31pm
Craig66 said...

kyteryder said...

councils have an exempt development, within policy for some structures. In NSW most councils included sheds within this code, under 20m2. Which means you dont need their permission. I'm not sure what the regulations are in Chad, but maybe you could check it out. A 50mm to 75mm slab is all you will need for a small shed. not to hard to do. My first slab i did was perfect for a water tank.
Give it ago, not too hard. Even Bunnings have basic info on slab pouring for paths.

Goodluck KR


Bunnings = brainewashed


Agreed wait until Masters have opened up, will be just as bad.

Craig66
Craig66
NSW
2466 posts
NSW, 2466 posts
2 Jun 2011 8:42pm
kyteryder said...

Craig66 said...

kyteryder said...

councils have an exempt development, within policy for some structures. In NSW most councils included sheds within this code, under 20m2. Which means you dont need their permission. I'm not sure what the regulations are in Chad, but maybe you could check it out. A 50mm to 75mm slab is all you will need for a small shed. not to hard to do. My first slab i did was perfect for a water tank.
Give it ago, not too hard. Even Bunnings have basic info on slab pouring for paths.

Goodluck KR


Bunnings = brainewashed


Agreed wait until Masters have opened up, will be just as bad.




I have been in the building industry from when i was 15 as a brickie/builder, i would still pay a to have a slab finished.
When I finish concrete it non slip with many trip hazards
dinsdale
dinsdale
WA
1227 posts
WA, 1227 posts
2 Jun 2011 6:56pm
poor relative said...
... it means cutting down an old black boy which pains me a bit so i will contemplate it for a while.

You can sell them for heaps you know. There's a specialist blackboy removal mob in Welshpool Rd, on the north side, a couple o' hundred yards west of Tonkin Hwy. I believe that they're worth about $100. They sell them too.

Simondo
Simondo
VIC
8025 posts
VIC, 8025 posts
2 Jun 2011 8:57pm
I prepared this for you guys earlier today.

ok
ok
NSW
1089 posts
ok ok
NSW, 1089 posts
2 Jun 2011 9:24pm
Is that video above a joke? Reo in the dirt, timber expansion joint no idea how to use a screeed or how to scrreed haha
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15100 posts
WA, 15100 posts
2 Jun 2011 7:47pm
Craig66 said...

I have been in the building industry from when i was 15 as a brickie/builder, i would still pay a to have a slab finished.
When I finish concrete it non slip with many trip hazards



I used to help my father and grandfather do a bit of DIY concrete laying when I was young.

After getting crazy quotes for a driveway, a week ago I enlisted my 67 YO father to help me and we laid a 7m x 4m section in half a day. I won't ask him to help me with that amount again, but two people my age should be able to handle it okay.

It's not a pretty section of driveway, but still pretty good. If I wanted it to look pretty I would have spent more time finishing it, but more than good enough for what I want.

I think section a third that size and not on a slope, would have been a piece of cake.


landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
2 Jun 2011 7:51pm
Ideally buy a framed shed ,so you have something solid to bolt the extensions to, site it 2m from a fence , so you have a extra wall for one of the extensions
make sure you extend your slab outside for the metalworking area
do try to get 15amp power points and lights inside.
that is the key to maximum use of the shed
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15100 posts
WA, 15100 posts
2 Jun 2011 8:17pm
ok said...

Is that video above a joke? Reo in the dirt, timber expansion joint no idea how to use a screeed or how to scrreed haha


It couldn't have been too bad in that they got there. The screeding didn't look too flash but they must have done it again because it looked okay. It was a pretty awkward place up against some brickwork, with a camera running.

Are you sure about the 'timber expansion joint'? I wouldn't take the piss out of them if I didn't know the difference between an expansion joint and a control joint.

They were using the timber to mark where they were going to put the control joint.

I agree about the bar though. Maybe they had some stones under it at least holding it up a bit.

(Here I am thinking I am an expert, and I will be glad if my slab stays in one piece for more than a month!)
ok
ok
NSW
1089 posts
ok ok
NSW, 1089 posts
2 Jun 2011 10:31pm
the timber expansion joint runnin parrellel with the brickwork is doing absoulutely nothing goin up against the other concrete?
And when ur doing a control joint best to use ur longest screed as a straight edge not to do it free hand so if it does crack u cant cut a square bit of concrete out instead of curvey one.

Apart from all that concrete is pretty simple just a fancy version of mud jsut make it wet so u can play with it longer and people can write there name it! and the longer it takes to dry the stronger it is!
busterwa
busterwa
3782 posts
3782 posts
2 Jun 2011 9:01pm
why is everyone going on about the slab. that can be done last your uprights can be secured by using half cut 44 gallon drums uprights set in bricks rocks and concrete. This would be your first step. They dont require bolting into a pad.
Secondly you may need a crane or cherry picker to lift the archways to the uprights.

You can even fabricate it all yourself but its cheaper getting the Chinese to do it.

dirtyharry
dirtyharry
WA
444 posts
WA, 444 posts
2 Jun 2011 9:15pm
busterwa said...

why is everyone going on about the slab. that can be done last your uprights can be secured by using half cut 44 gallon drums uprights set in bricks rocks and concrete. This would be your first step. They dont require bolting into a pad.
Secondly you may need a crane or cherry picker to lift the archways to the uprights.

You can even fabricate it all yourself but its cheaper getting the Chinese to do it.


He's said he's doing a 3m x 3m shed mate. Cherry pickers and cranes might be a bit over the top, and 1/2 44's sat on the ground for footings are going to take up a fair whack of the internal area!
busterwa
busterwa
3782 posts
3782 posts
2 Jun 2011 9:22pm
Im no ERECTION engineer but it will be able to withstand winds of up to 300 kph
ok mabe down grade the half 44 gallon drums to ice cream containers.
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