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Macroscien said..

Chris 249 said..

Macroscien said..

Chris 249 said.

Rubbish.

I know how it works, now. You are simply a bot or troll programmed to negate whatever I say.
Let do the next experiment.
Macro says:
-Chris is the smartest guy on the planet! This is including SB.
-He knows everything about everything and even if he doesn't know, know the expert that knows.
-Chris is very polite, handsome a masculine ( or feminine if chooses so).

More lies. I have never claimed to be the smartest person on the planet, nor do I claim to know everything. I'm a person who respects the knowledge of others and doesn't reckons he knows everything like you do.

Works perfectly as planned.
Test input:
-"Chris is the smartest guy on the planet"
output:
-"More lies. I have never claimed to be the smartest person on the planet,"

Yes, you were wrong. You should be used to being wrong.

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Chris 249 said..

Macroscien said..

Chris 249 said..

Macroscien said..

Chris 249 said.

Rubbish.

I know how it works, now. You are simply a bot or troll programmed to negate whatever I say.
Let do the next experiment.
Macro says:
-Chris is the smartest guy on the planet! This is including SB.
-He knows everything about everything and even if he doesn't know, know the expert that knows.
-Chris is very polite, handsome a masculine ( or feminine if chooses so).

More lies. I have never claimed to be the smartest person on the planet, nor do I claim to know everything. I'm a person who respects the knowledge of others and doesn't reckons he knows everything like you do.

Works perfectly as planned.
Test input:
-"Chris is the smartest guy on the planet"
output:
-"More lies. I have never claimed to be the smartest person on the planet,"

Yes, you were wrong. You should be used to being wrong.

That is again only further confirmation of my thesis>
subject bot CH is programmed to negate everything I said.

another test :
Can subject Ch generate something on his own, without repetition?

*** intended to test the quality of the randomness generator of the bot.

Can CH say something like Nice weather today, isn't it?
BTW it starts raining now, So I am not sure what my answer could be, most likely yes, this fack** n rain is awesome!

I think the bush fire crisis is definitely man made, something like 150 arsonists have already been arrested

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Little Jon said..I think the bush fire crisis is definitely man made, something like 150 arsonists have already been arrested

You seem to have missed the reality check in arriving at your "definitive" conclusion:
www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-11/australias-fires-reveal-arson-not-a-major-cause/11855022

In NSW, only 1% of land burnt can be attributed to arson and in VIC it's a measly 0.3%.

Perhaps stop believing the trolls, bots and propaganda merchants.

In your sentence above, you also appear to have tried and convicted "something like" 150 people without due process. In reality, only about 25 of those originally arrested are facing charges and most of those are for very minor fires unrelated to the wildfires.

In Victoria the Police have released the following statement:

"Police are aware of a number of posts circulating in relation to the current bushfire situation, however currently there is no intelligence to indicate that the fires in East Gippsland and north-east Victoria have been caused by arson or any other suspicious behaviour,"

Also, "The majority of these bushfires have been generated by lightning strikes associated with weather and climate effects," Dale Dominey-Howes, a professor of hazard and disaster risk sciences at the University of Sydney, told HuffPost."

Could your information perhaps be coming from general gossip, Sky News (more gossip) or Twitter (all gossip)?

very interesting point takes from Prof. Dale Dominey-Howes publication

www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2019/09/11/are-we-facing-a-catastrophic-bushfire-season.html


Now , to my critics above. How actually we are going to address this low humidity factors?
Any proposition Chris ? Here is finding by the finest expert we could find.

Interestingly article is dated September 2019 and could serve well as a warning to all interested, but I feel past mostly unnoticed. This is only example that is not me that do not listen to our experts, Chris.

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Now , to my critics above. How actually we are going to address this low humidity factors?
Any proposition Chris ? Here is finding by the finest expert we could find.

Macro, in your delirious attempt to score points from Chris, like a lot of your ideas, you are missing the detail.

This great inland river system that you want to kill all the estuary creatures for, actually needs rain in order to be created, so given that we have a very prolonged period of 'no rain' then your inland lake would be empty and have absolutely no affect on humidity.

Heck, its very unlikely that these fires are located anywhere near a potential lake, and the water you are dreaming of that provides this humidity is non-existent.

Even an idiot could argue that the best way to avoid a drought is to have it rain, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is what you are saying.

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Little Jon said..
I think the bush fire crisis is definitely man made, something like 150 arsonists have already been arrested

ooooppps!

www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/12/disinformation-and-lies-are-spreading-faster-than-australias-bushfires


mind you, it is the Guardian.......so obviously communism

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FormulaNova said..

so given that we have a very prolonged period of 'no rain' then your inland lake would be empty and have absolutely no affect on humidity.

Well maybe Macro's only targeting the rivers that flow into the crabless estuaries we've already buggered up.

Apart from that, this prolonged period of drought could break. It's fair enough to say our Co2 emissions increase temperature. Co2 absorbs the re-radiation in the 12-15 micrometer band and we've created a thicker blanket. But a bit of a googling suggests the experts aren't too sure about the effect on drought. They always are careful to use phrases like "contributes" to the drought or "contributes" to the frequency of drought. The SW corner of WA has experienced a decline in rainfall. It started in with a bang in 1970 when Co2 was 320 pm. Has it got any worse now it's 420 ppm? The reason is put down to weather patterns shifting south. The experts will only go as far as saying AGW has "contributed " to the shift of weather patterns south.

There are parallels in forecasting climate and doing a 6 day weather forecast. One difference I can think of is that after 6 days the the BOM would be able to see where they went wrong and use the info to tweak the model for the next 6 days?

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Little Jon said..
I think the bush fire crisis is definitely man made, something like 150 arsonists have already been arrested

www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-11/australias-fires-reveal-arson-not-a-major-cause/11855022

They aren't capital A arsonists, but they are failing to observe total fire bans, that sort of thing. All that the charges show is that the cops are "doing something", just like a speeding blitz gets laid on after a few road deaths

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I think the bush fire crisis is definitely man made, something like 150 arsonists have already been arrested

Absolute rubbish. It's not 150 arsonists; that is the rough number of people who have been arrested for ALL fire-related offences, including throwing cigarette butts and not attending to campfires. There have been not been many more people arrested for actual bushire arson in NSW, for example, than in a normal year - that's the fact (ie average of 27 arrests per year from 2001-2006 versus 24 this season).

Yes, arson causes many fires but mostly small ones near the cities. Many of these fires have been caused in remote areas by lightning strikes into bush that has been dried out by an unprecedented drought.

There have always been some arsonists and there is no reason to believe that the number has suddenly increased dramatically.

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Macroscien said..
very interesting point takes from Prof. Dale Dominey-Howes publication

www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2019/09/11/are-we-facing-a-catastrophic-bushfire-season.html


Now , to my critics above. How actually we are going to address this low humidity factors?
Any proposition Chris ? Here is finding by the finest expert we could find.

Interestingly article is dated September 2019 and could serve well as a warning to all interested, but I feel past mostly unnoticed. This is only example that is not me that do not listen to our experts, Chris.

But you completely ignore the realities of physics.

1- you've given no evidence for your claim that there will be significantly higher humidity over a lake. This study found the opposite;

books.google.com.au/books?id=5S85TVZmzSIC&pg=PA112&lpg=PA112&dq=humidity+near+lakes&source=bl&ots=-FbwMqPw_M&sig=ACfU3U3IjvCJfrKnZ0fo3qJWK116SLGzYA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj4y5Llof3mAhUFiOYKHbPtBvYQ6AEwEXoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=humidity%20near%20lakes&f=false

Sometimes the humidity over a lake is higher but sometimes it is lower because the water in the air condenses onto the lake. Yep, I know, you are a God and therefore you know more than the people who actually went out and got the data; you showed that you worship yourself when you said the authors of the CSIRO/BoM paper, who actually spent years learning this stuff and actually used rainfall records from Lake Eyre, are morons and you are a god who knows better than they do.

2- Most of our fires are not near anywhere you could feasibly put a lake without vast and permanent destruction.

3- There would be vast and permanent destruction of the rivers you want to dam. What happens when the mangroves, salt marshes and other flora you want to kill die off? Do you think there will be no consequences?

4- If lakes created rainfall and stopped bushfires, why the hell is Sydney's water supply in the centre of a major fire? Why is the huge dam on the Shoalhaven in the middle of a major fire? Why did the area near Forster, near a huge lake, suffer a major fire? Why does the area around Lake Macquarie, a huge lake, often burn? Why are there fires on the shores of Lake Blowering? Why are there fires on the shores of Lake Eucumbene, fires near Lakes Darmouth and Hume, fires all the way to the Pacific Ocean near Batemans Bay, most of a town gone at LAKE Conjola, the western shore of St Georges Basin burned, the whole shoreline of Lake Cathie burned, the area all sides of the lake at Mallacoota burned. There's surf clubs under ember attack, sailing clubs being saved by water bombers putting out fires in the vegetation on the dunes.

I don't know if you've ever fought a fire on a lake shore with the RFS. I have. Only someone who has completely ignored reality would claim that the areas near shorelines will be protected from fires like this. The truth is that areas around lakes and the ocean itself are burning and the baseless claim that artificial lakes will stop fires is complete bull****, complete ignorance, and a complete lie.

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FormulaNova said..

so given that we have a very prolonged period of 'no rain' then your inland lake would be empty and have absolutely no affect on humidity.

Well maybe Macro's only targeting the rivers that flow into the crabless estuaries we've already buggered up.

Apart from that, this prolonged period of drought could break. It's fair enough to say our Co2 emissions increase temperature. Co2 absorbs the re-radiation in the 12-15 micrometer band and we've created a thicker blanket. But a bit of a googling suggests the experts aren't too sure about the effect on drought. They always are careful to use phrases like "contributes" to the drought or "contributes" to the frequency of drought. The SW corner of WA has experienced a decline in rainfall. It started in with a bang in 1970 when Co2 was 320 pm. Has it got any worse now it's 420 ppm? The reason is put down to weather patterns shifting south. The experts will only go as far as saying AGW has "contributed " to the shift of weather patterns south.

There are parallels in forecasting climate and doing a 6 day weather forecast. One difference I can think of is that after 6 days the the BOM would be able to see where they went wrong and use the info to tweak the model for the next 6 days?

No, he wants to damn "all" the rivers and said so specifically.

1970, when the drought "started with a bang" seems to be in an era when Co2 levels really climbed significantly according to this;

sealevel.info/co2_and_ch4.html

and here

%2C327 (from a "denialist" site)

and here

www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=imgres&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjltfijqv3mAhVo73MBHbnCDfkQjRx6BAgBEAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.co2levels.org%2F&psig=AOvVaw134MxnbxwEdoYBE9pzMmvj&ust=1578893366467646

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Chris 249 said..

humidity over a lake. This study found the opposite;

OMG Great Lakes in Canada versus Tropical Australia!

I give up any further arguments. I would rather go now to Canada to regulate problems with their lakes and you to the Arctic to sell fridges or Borneo with electric heaters. Can you check also what sort of ice skis we could import from your Canada that suit our ice skiing near Brisbane where I live? I just found that our SB is missing this most important group, that I wanted to join. Where is Ice windsurfing or Ice Kitting. There is plenty of Ice in Australia as fas as I know.



Don't confuse with weed that is also abundant here.

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Ian K said..

Well maybe Macro's only targeting the rivers

The question is if we really could effect humidity and rain on the scale required. We could perform multiple calculations for sprinklers and misting intended to humidify air , calculate tones of water , speed of wind , air temperatures. But as you and me know nothing replace good design experiment like those is flamed over fire trucks at the video.Similarly we could setup field with line of misting nozzles and sprinklers intended to humidify air.
In this test we could learn how much water do evaporate , pressures, heights required, dependence on air temp . etc.
Then we could measure humidity behind such lines at the distance. Only then we could compare our theoretical outputs with those measured in real life.
If close enough , we could then extrapolate and see what exactly scale is needed. If that is realistic and comparable to our means. Idea to actually modify weather according to our needs - must be tested and guessing will not replace it. Arab countries may feel less pressured by bushfires but on another hand have more resources for such experiments. Then results and comparisons between S. Arabia may not be useful as planned. Raised humidity without lowering temperature there could increase discomfort since having little effect on this sand pits and dunes- versus our living forest. So the best we could wish is to invite rich arabs to come here and do their experiment on our land for their money utilizing our experts.

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Macroscien said..

Chris 249 said..

humidity over a lake. This study found the opposite;

OMG Great Lakes in Canada versus Tropical Australia!
I give up any further arguments. I would rather go now to Canada to regulate problem with their lakes and you to Arctic to sell fridges or Borneo with electric heaters. Can you check also what sort of ice skis we could import from your Canada that suit our ice skiing near Brisbane where I live? I just found that our SB is missing this most important group , that I wanted to join. Where is Ice windsurfing or Ice Kititing. There is plenty of Ice in Australia as fas as I know.



Don't confuse with weed that are also abundant here .

Once again you are being dishonest or stupid. I already mentioned results of an BoM/CSIRO study on an AUSTRALIAN lake and you ignored because you arrogantly decided that you knew more than the authors who had studied the field for years and used actual measurements that proved your idea wouldn't work.

You also failed to acknowledge that other proof that your ideas are stupid is that fires are burning over lakes. There's a reason you're sitting on a dry farm asking other people to pay for your stupid mistakes, and it's not that you are the genius you reckon you are. It's your arrogance and ignorance.

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that fires are burning over lakes.

nothing better than BBQ at camping place at the lake....


no, wait, there is proven the human's activity has not linked to bushfires. Because bushfires are exclusively created by Zeus shooting lighting from above. Besides that everybody knows (who explored Greece already ) that Olymp, where Zeus live, is a few km of the sea, not at outback land. This means that most dry and hottest places in Australia are completely not affected by lightning strikes. Somehow the most fires appeared in the most populated areas/visited , not the uninhabited.
BTW> Can you do something useful for a change ( instead of chasing me on SB) ? Like a kiting or something? Wash a dish or laundry? Benefit for whole humanity will be much greater then you solving the bushfire puzzle.

I'm not chasing you - I'm just pointing out that your ideas are as stupid as your attitude that you know everything, and your unswerving belief that people who have studied these fields are inferior to you and know nothing. Have some respect for the people you are insulting and then you may be worthy of respect. For example, you could learn from the CSIRO/BoM paper about the effect of lakes on rainfall rather than being so arrogant as to insult its authors, who (unlike you) have learned stuff and done research.

By the way, I only just realised that you probably don't realise "your" idea to turn the rivers inland is over 80 years old and has been studied and rejected many times.

Oh, and any claim or implication that most of these fires or the most serious ones appeared in the most populated and visited areas and implicitly because of arson is untrue. The worst fires included the Long Gully Flat fire (2 dead) which started near Tenterfield after a lightning strike; the Carrai Creek fire (3 dead) which started in wilderness west of Kempsey; the Gospers Mountain bushfire, biggest ever in NSW, which started far out in the distant bush behind the Putty Road; the Green Wattle Creek fire (2 dead) which started in the remote area of the Blue Mountains National Park west of Lake Burragorang; and many of the South Coast fires which started in remote areas like Tianjara. So, as so often, you are wrong with your claims.

Yes, we need to change things with our fire preparation but we do that by learning from people who have learned about fires and know what they are talking about, not someone like you who knows nothing but thinks they are a God. But yes, I am tired of pointing out how often you are wrong and how arrogant you are.

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By the way, I only just realised that you probably don't realise "your" idea to turn the rivers inland is over 80 years old and has been studied and rejected many times.

Yep, you are right . Idea was rejected 80 years ago because seems to be " impractical" .By contemporary people ( like you ) .

They never saw bushfires as we do, and have been unable to foresee or imagine in future.

80 years ago our land seems to be green already. Any reason to make it more greener ? Beside they still have only shovels to dig and none of slaves or prisoners anymore.Today we have the biggest diggers in the world.

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Macroscien said..

BTW> Can you do something useful for a change ( instead of chasing me on SB) ? Like a kiting or something? Wash a dish or laundry? Benefit for whole humanity will be much greater then you solving the bushfire puzzle.

Are you sooking because someone is questioning your ideas? You would never make it as an academic if you can't even answer simple questions on 'your thesis'.

No one would have to 'chase you' if your ideas made sense and were innovative, with lots of questions already asked and answered.

You seem to think that there are big groups setup to be negative towards others ideas and tear them apart, but they are just validating things. Imagine if every crackpot idea was let fly and the government paid for it? You are already critical of the NBN and that's tried and tested technology not some crazy scheme using lasers, 5G, and unicorn dust.

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FormulaNova said..

NBN and that's tried and tested technology not some crazy UFO

You not buying UFO on the stick yet?
futurism.com/the-byte/elon-musk-starlink-ufo-stick


I may skip NBN and wait for one.

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FormulaNova said..

You would never make it as an academic

Yep , I could by encouraging students to start doing research, do some field experiments and write papers on the subject.
You can not make any progress now by telling all your students : "forget it" this subject was already studied, researched 80 years ago, case closed.Now get us some new receipts for cooking classes for your new paper. Chinese students coming and request noodle of seaweed sprinkled with seaarchent. "

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Macroscien said..

FormulaNova said..

You would never make it as an academic

Yep , I could by encouraging students to start doing research, do some field experiments and write papers on the subject.
You can not make any progress now by telling all your students : "forget it" this subject was already studied, researched 80 years ago, case closed.Now get us some new receipts for cooking classes for your new paper. Chinese students coming and request noodle of seaweed sprinkled with seaarchent. "

Your students would laugh at you for wasting their time on obviously silly ideas while the other students are working on aerogels and clever ideas that actually work.

For some weird reason you assume that inventiveness does not exist in science or university.

Without being too critical, if you posted your sentences in your original native language and I used google translate, would they make more sense?

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FormulaNova said..

Without being too critical, if you posted your sentences in your original native language and I used google translate, would they make more sense?

010100101010010100101010100010010010000100101000010010010010in free translation it means that if I know that you are representant of typical Earthlian I would never waste fuel to travel hundred kiloparsec now. I would rather wait few more million years and be welcomed by new octopusee replacing failed ungratefull humans

Wait a minute.
I just received important message from my onboard computer. Reads> WARNING < COMMUNICATION WITH NATIVES HUMAN S FAILED< EMPLOY PLANET DISINFECTION XRAY IMMEDIATELY.

Australia is not unique with lack of the water problem. The biggest in the world fall is almost dry too.

vicfalls.travel/victoria-falls-is-not-dry-notdry/
Can you go there and tell us if it really is .Second thoughts just go there.

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Foghorn said..
vicfalls.travel/victoria-falls-is-not-dry-notdry/
Can you go there and tell us if it really is .Second thoughts just go there.

If the SB crew would like to sponsor a research trip, I will go... I have been before... and would love to raft the river... again...

Shall I link a go fund me

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Macroscien said..
Australia is not unique with lack of the water problem. The biggest in the world fall is almost dry too.

Fake news

Alarmist propaganda

Polish charity rises 27 mln Euro in support for Australia bushfire victims.
notesfrompoland.com/2020/01/13/polands-biggest-charity-fundraiser-smashes-record-and-offers-support-to-australia/?fbclid=IwAR14IRBisHNwY8KJs-reRSN21YVPaNMQLmaxVdR-LE834dVuLfymvOX4J-8

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Macroscien said..

80 years ago our land seems to be green already. Any reason to make it more greener ? Beside they still have only shovels to dig and none of slaves or prisoners anymore.Today we have the biggest diggers in the world.

This pic (source?) does not seem accurate, this is the factual/scientific one, www.bom.gov.au/climate/history/temperature/?fbclid=IwAR1Ff5dKgti3PLBFGTskxcbyDBaYTUZv0xIUd5vLLFQbYsCshrNS5q4Wd4w

It has nothing to do with how green Australia is but it is about temp anomaly.

Anomaly:
The departure of an element from its long-period average value for the location concerned. For example, if the maximum temperature for June in Melbourne was 1 degree Celsius higher than the long-term average for this month, the anomaly would be +1 degrees Celsius. The current international standard is to use the 30 year average from 1961 to 1990 as the long-term average

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Rob11 said..

Macroscien said..

80 years ago our land seems to be green already. Any reason to make it more greener ? Beside they still have only shovels to dig and none of slaves or prisoners anymore.Today we have the biggest diggers in the world.

This pic (source?) does not seem accurate, this is the factual/scientific one, www.bom.gov.au/climate/history/temperature/?fbclid=IwAR1Ff5dKgti3PLBFGTskxcbyDBaYTUZv0xIUd5vLLFQbYsCshrNS5q4Wd4w

It has nothing to do with how green Australia is but it is about temp anomaly.

Anomaly:
The departure of an element from its long-period average value for the location concerned. For example, if the maximum temperature for June in Melbourne was 1 degree Celsius higher than the long-term average for this month, the anomaly would be +1 degrees Celsius. The current international standard is to use the 30 year average from 1961 to 1990 as the long-term average

interesting pattern appear. I looks that next year or after that should be much colder.