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eppo said..

sir ROWDY said..

eppo said..
bloody hell this reminds me of the early days of foil kiting in the late 90s early 2000s. dudes just get out and ride and get better ffs

hahaha, yeah in a lot of cases I think it doesn't really make much difference, modding things can be cool though if that's your thing.
As I said above though I think shortening up everything is a lost cause, better just sell and re-up while those models still hold any value. All these first and 2nd gen wings are going to be worth nothing in a season or two.

well yeh I shortened my 4.3 bridles .

Mo bettah, yeah?

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CH3MTR4IL5 said..

SlowlyButSurely said..

Review is great as per Gav's usual. but I reiterate again my opinion about the upwind capability of the PP which is not that far off from the PR. Whoever comes from BRM Kanaha's and Ka'a learnt the hard way. Basically riding parawing on front lines and sail at 40-45deg. I have seen people reaching unreal angles, even on the Ka'a
also the review does not mention the much improved construction of the PP. It was reported in multiple venues how battens stitching and trailing edge of the Pocket Rocket developed issues over time. The PP addresses both.

pull wise there is no comparison. The PP starts earlier than the PR. Once again it is a matter of habits and people coming from BRMs will have an edge. With the PP sail has to be placed deeper and lower in the window compared to the PR to take off.

i am the guy outside the chorus here, and probably it is due to the condition specifics I usually ride. The PR in sizes 4.3 and 5 turned very poor, it was really bad for quick retracts and redeploys and very prone to line tangles. The PP improves ALL these issues.

I didn't get the chance to ride the larger PP's but I would absolutely agree that they will really shine compared with the PR in 4.3/5.

Ultimately, Ozone is a bit of a victim of its own success, in that the PR performs extraordinarily well upwind - the PP is ahead of most parawings on the market on nearly every front, but it does point upwind a little less and is a little slower upwind. This is just physics, you can't have everything and that's one of the tradeoffs for stability. If the PR wasn't there for comparison, I don't think most of us would notice - it is obvious riding back to back that there is a difference, but in most conditions its not so stark that you would really notice it day to day.

Ref your comment @Holoholo, I ride with harness right at the front of the bar on the PR and the PP.

Yeah spot on brother. Wasn't negating your take, which to be more clear, I thought was a really good one. I'm just allaying fears- saying my experience was I had initial concerns going upwind on the PP, but that they were gone with only a little added time. And yeah- I specifically jumped on the PP in the 4.3 as that size starts to really exaggerate the issues with the PR/line length, softness. The improvements made in the PP are hyper-highlighted. I've been on the PR in 3.0 and 3.6, shortened the lines 6" which helped immensely with my bridle complaints and still performs a treat. I'd love to have one of everything, but not having unlimited budget, I will happily stick with those for the time being. For me the perfect do everything PW would be: New smaller handle, 6" shorter bridles in new configuration/material with a PR canopy. I have to think that's on the way. If so I'm all over it.

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SlowlyButSurely said..

CH3MTR4IL5 said..

Review is great as per Gav's usual. but I reiterate again my opinion about the upwind capability of the PP which is not that far off from the PR. Whoever comes from BRM Kanaha's and Ka'a learnt the hard way. Basically riding parawing on front lines and sail at 40-45deg. I have seen people reaching unreal angles, even on the Ka'a
also the review does not mention the much improved construction of the PP. It was reported in multiple venues how battens stitching and trailing edge of the Pocket Rocket developed issues over time. The PP addresses both.

pull wise there is no comparison. The PP starts earlier than the PR. Once again it is a matter of habits and people coming from BRMs will have an edge. With the PP sail has to be placed deeper and lower in the window compared to the PR to take off.

i am the guy outside the chorus here, and probably it is due to the condition specifics I usually ride. The PR in sizes 4.3 and 5 turned very poor, it was really bad for quick retracts and redeploys and very prone to line tangles. The PP improves ALL these issues.

I agree with this.
I've been on a 4.3 2 days now. Both days were pretty up/down, gusty conditions 17-30.
Day 1- I was overall happy, pretty lukewarm about upwind. By the end of day 2 with tweaks in approach I am completely satisfied with upwind angles which leaves me completely stoked given the other upgrades. Key point was sliding my single point harness line all the way forward on the bar. This wing can be ridden completely off the front lines and maintains shape/drive/stability. Bottom line is after 2 days of learning the wing, riding off the front lines low to the water, feathering sheeting, I was taking my usual lines back out to the peak. I had concerns with lower aspect wing with eating gust, but its also super stable, even tempered, handles gusts with ease. Another thing I sussed out day 2 getting up is that with the right sheeting angle, I could pump the PP much more aggressively than any other wing Ive tried. Point downwind, time a swell/gust and bam.. could get up really easily on the low end of its range. With how stable and nimble this wing is and the packability even overpowered, the redeploy, I'm happy I pulled the trigger.

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SlowlyButSurely said..

BWalnut said..
Question for those using the PP:

Is everyone collapsing using the newly bundled center A lines? Or is anyone still grabbing all A lines?

Only the bundled As as far as I am concerned. Why would you want to grab all? Easier stow?

I generally like to stow using all front lines unless I'm completely lit as it saves a step trying to sort out the leading edge. At times I did with the PP. It does so / depowers easier than PR, shorter slick, seamless lines makes an easy grab even with 4.3. The change to stiffer battens, it seems to reflexively accordion neatly- redeploys quicker.