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Question: Fox 120 Ltr 70 wide or JP Super Ride Pro 124 Ltr 70.5 wide for use with NP 7.7 V8 if main criteria are early planing and comfort in chop? 75 kg rider.

Good question, Im listening for answers.

I have a fox 120 that I run 7.0 and 7.8 overdrives on. It's a great board and I love it but I have started to wonder about the merits of the deep V it has.This all started in January 2019 when I went to the Inverloch Guy Cribb clinic. When I pulled out the fox Guy Cribb showed an interest in it immediately and asked to take it for a run. I was somewhat surprised at his impressions. He described the board as very nice and very interesting but he also said it felt like the V was causing a bit of drag and was also causing the windward rail to drop. I'm not so sure about the V causing drag but the windward rail was definitely dropping. This kind of drove me nuts for a while as it never really bothered me before but now it was nagging me as I sailed along with my windward rail down. I have since concluded that it is incorrect setup and bad technique that was causing the windward rail to drop not a fault in the board design. That's bad technique by me not Guy Cribb lol. Every thing Guy taught me has turned out to dead on the guy's a genius seriously.

The 40cm G10 fin supplied with the Fox is a really nice fin but it's borderline to small for the 7.8. I run a 43 cm Vmax 4 with my 7.8 and it feels a lot better. The 40cm fin goes well with the 7.0 but it still needs the correct setup. I was running my mast step in the middle and this was part of the problem. I moved it back about a centimetre and this helped the board roll back onto the tail a bit more. Now the V section wasn't in the water as much and the windward rail was dropping a lot less. I found boom height to be another factor. I tend to lower my boom a bit as the wind picks up but doing this to soon was another factor in the windward rail dropping. So basically mast step back a bit and watch the boom height, then while sailing keep the board rolled back onto the tail section and keep that V section out of the water.

despite my lack of conviction about the V of the fox I want to clarify that it's a great board and I'm totally happy with it. Going to Guy Cribb school simply pointed something I was doing wrong. You can put the footstraps in the outboard positions and put on a race sail and a slalom fin and blaze around at great speed all day. The fox becomes quite lively when you roll it back onto the tail and power it up. It also seems to max out a bit as it hits top speed but this is probably my physical limitations rather than the board.

I have also used the Fox 120 in rolling surf at trial bay NSW. I was using a Blade 6.7 wave sail with a 39 cm curvy freeride fin with the footstraps in the inboard positions. This totally changed the feel of the board. moving the straps inboard removed the windward rail problem but didn't seem to affect top end speed much at all. So the Fox is quite a versatile beast.

At your weight of 75kgs with 7.8, You will be powered up in 15 knots so unless you are sailing at a choppy spot I don't think chop will be much of an issue. The 120 is on big side for 75 kgs but if you a reasonably fit you will still be able to drive it hard in 20 knots of wind. I'm not sure about now but when I bought my fox it had a decent price advantage over the competition.

I'm still curious to see what a fox would feel like with double concaves into a slight V.

I can't comment on the JP but for where I sail which has steep short chop I find the Foxes fantastic. The deep vee and concaves work really well in smoothing the ride. Really glad I got mine.

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Cluffy said..
I have a fox 120 that I run 7.0 and 7.8 overdrives on. It's a great board and I love it but I have started to wonder about the merits of the deep V it has.This all started in January 2019 when I went to the Inverloch Guy Cribb clinic. When I pulled out the fox Guy Cribb showed an interest in it immediately and asked to take it for a run. I was somewhat surprised at his impressions. He described the board as very nice and very interesting but he also said it felt like the V was causing a bit of drag and was also causing the windward rail to drop. I'm not so sure about the V causing drag but the windward rail was definitely dropping. This kind of drove me nuts for a while as it never really bothered me before but now it was nagging me as I sailed along with my windward rail down. I have since concluded that it is incorrect setup and bad technique that was causing the windward rail to drop not a fault in the board design. That's bad technique by me not Guy Cribb lol. Every thing Guy taught me has turned out to dead on the guy's a genius seriously.

The 40cm G10 fin supplied with the Fox is a really nice fin but it's borderline to small for the 7.8. I run a 43 cm Vmax 4 with my 7.8 and it feels a lot better. The 40cm fin goes well with the 7.0 but it still needs the correct setup. I was running my mast step in the middle and this was part of the problem. I moved it back about a centimetre and this helped the board roll back onto the tail a bit more. Now the V section wasn't in the water as much and the windward rail was dropping a lot less. I found boom height to be another factor. I tend to lower my boom a bit as the wind picks up but doing this to soon was another factor in the windward rail dropping. So basically mast step back a bit and watch the boom height, then while sailing keep the board rolled back onto the tail section and keep that V section out of the water.

despite my lack of conviction about the V of the fox I want to clarify that it's a great board and I'm totally happy with it. Going to Guy Cribb school simply pointed something I was doing wrong. You can put the footstraps in the outboard positions and put on a race sail and a slalom fin and blaze around at great speed all day. The fox becomes quite lively when you roll it back onto the tail and power it up. It also seems to max out a bit as it hits top speed but this is probably my physical limitations rather than the board.

I have also used the Fox 120 in rolling surf at trial bay NSW. I was using a Blade 6.7 wave sail with a 39 cm curvy freeride fin with the footstraps in the inboard positions. This totally changed the feel of the board. moving the straps inboard removed the windward rail problem but didn't seem to affect top end speed much at all. So the Fox is quite a versatile beast.

At your weight of 75kgs with 7.8, You will be powered up in 15 knots so unless you are sailing at a choppy spot I don't think chop will be much of an issue. The 120 is on big side for 75 kgs but if you a reasonably fit you will still be able to drive it hard in 20 knots of wind. I'm not sure about now but when I bought my fox it had a decent price advantage over the competition.

I'm still curious to see what a fox would feel like with double concaves into a slight V.

Thanks for the reply, interesting reading. Just to clarify, at my weight I was thinking of 12-15 knots wind range for these boards with my 7.7. I'm just an average freerider so I'd be on my 6.7 V8 and a 63 wide in 15-20. Just on the price, currently exactly the same price being advertised for new.

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Orange Whip said..

Cluffy said..
I have a fox 120 that I run 7.0 and 7.8 overdrives on. It's a great board and I love it but I have started to wonder about the merits of the deep V it has.This all started in January 2019 when I went to the Inverloch Guy Cribb clinic. When I pulled out the fox Guy Cribb showed an interest in it immediately and asked to take it for a run. I was somewhat surprised at his impressions. He described the board as very nice and very interesting but he also said it felt like the V was causing a bit of drag and was also causing the windward rail to drop. I'm not so sure about the V causing drag but the windward rail was definitely dropping. This kind of drove me nuts for a while as it never really bothered me before but now it was nagging me as I sailed along with my windward rail down. I have since concluded that it is incorrect setup and bad technique that was causing the windward rail to drop not a fault in the board design. That's bad technique by me not Guy Cribb lol. Every thing Guy taught me has turned out to dead on the guy's a genius seriously.

The 40cm G10 fin supplied with the Fox is a really nice fin but it's borderline to small for the 7.8. I run a 43 cm Vmax 4 with my 7.8 and it feels a lot better. The 40cm fin goes well with the 7.0 but it still needs the correct setup. I was running my mast step in the middle and this was part of the problem. I moved it back about a centimetre and this helped the board roll back onto the tail a bit more. Now the V section wasn't in the water as much and the windward rail was dropping a lot less. I found boom height to be another factor. I tend to lower my boom a bit as the wind picks up but doing this to soon was another factor in the windward rail dropping. So basically mast step back a bit and watch the boom height, then while sailing keep the board rolled back onto the tail section and keep that V section out of the water.

despite my lack of conviction about the V of the fox I want to clarify that it's a great board and I'm totally happy with it. Going to Guy Cribb school simply pointed something I was doing wrong. You can put the footstraps in the outboard positions and put on a race sail and a slalom fin and blaze around at great speed all day. The fox becomes quite lively when you roll it back onto the tail and power it up. It also seems to max out a bit as it hits top speed but this is probably my physical limitations rather than the board.

I have also used the Fox 120 in rolling surf at trial bay NSW. I was using a Blade 6.7 wave sail with a 39 cm curvy freeride fin with the footstraps in the inboard positions. This totally changed the feel of the board. moving the straps inboard removed the windward rail problem but didn't seem to affect top end speed much at all. So the Fox is quite a versatile beast.

At your weight of 75kgs with 7.8, You will be powered up in 15 knots so unless you are sailing at a choppy spot I don't think chop will be much of an issue. The 120 is on big side for 75 kgs but if you a reasonably fit you will still be able to drive it hard in 20 knots of wind. I'm not sure about now but when I bought my fox it had a decent price advantage over the competition.

I'm still curious to see what a fox would feel like with double concaves into a slight V.

Thanks for the reply, interesting reading. Just to clarify, at my weight I was thinking of 12-15 knots wind range for these boards with my 7.7. I'm just an average freerider so I'd be on my 6.7 V8 and a 63 wide in 15-20. Just on the price, currently exactly the same price being advertised for new.

i ,ve got a 120 fox for sale townsville if you want exlent condition .loved the board but broke my shoulder last year and still not sailng enougth to keep it pm me if intrested

Just got a fox 120 with expectations of having an easier time in chop on bribie passage.
really haven't used it yet but son Max has in lightwindish day. I was having fun in 169 freeformula 85cm wife with Ezzy 8.5 at 88kg (reference point for wind etc)


max had 7.8 reflex on fox 120 with 38cm fin 88kg
Felt powered but not well developed wind - pumping into plane.

So probably wind conditions you are talking about.
his report is ... (see from perspective of aspiring PWA RACER 15yo!)

Easily onto plane accelerates quickly hower top speed feels limited compared to his slalom rides

That said he was faster than the isonic sailing same day and was able hold speed much further out into the bribie passage than the isonic

His conclusion was that he would rather be on a smaller slalom board - kids!

for me there wasn't enough wind or technique to get going with the 7.8 race sail and didn't want to break my new toy trying to get going with marginal power requiring pumping a race sail

I was getting going easily with the 8.5 Ezzy on the bigger board but not going out as far into the rough water

Today I was on 168 freeformula (my futura waiting for repairs) well powered up 7.5 Ezzy Lots of strong overpowering gusts (big smile) - felt a little disappointed as this was wind and conditions I wanted for fox but I had left it at home ... maybe monday / Tuesday will be the Fox day -- OLD SLOW BUGGER RIDES PRETTY NEW BOARD!!

For you OW how much chop do you get in the light winds you specify?? Are you no longer looking for big board light wind solutions??

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jirvin4505 said..
Just got a fox 120 with expectations of having an easier time in chop on bribie passage.
really haven't used it yet but son Max has in lightwindish day. I was having fun in 169 freeformula 85cm wife with Ezzy 8.5 at 88kg (reference point for wind etc)


max had 7.8 reflex on fox 120 with 38cm fin 88kg
Felt powered but not well developed wind - pumping into plane.

So probably wind conditions you are talking about.
his report is ... (see from perspective of aspiring PWA RACER 15yo!)

Easily onto plane accelerates quickly hower top speed feels limited compared to his slalom rides

That said he was faster than the isonic sailing same day and was able hold speed much further out into the bribie passage than the isonic

His conclusion was that he would rather be on a smaller slalom board - kids!

for me there wasn't enough wind or technique to get going with the 7.8 race sail and didn't want to break my new toy trying to get going with marginal power requiring pumping a race sail

I was getting going easily with the 8.5 Ezzy on the bigger board but not going out as far into the rough water

Today I was on 168 freeformula (my futura waiting for repairs) well powered up 7.5 Ezzy Lots of strong overpowering gusts (big smile) - felt a little disappointed as this was wind and conditions I wanted for fox but I had left it at home ... maybe monday / Tuesday will be the Fox day -- OLD SLOW BUGGER RIDES PRETTY NEW BOARD!!

For you OW how much chop do you get in the light winds you specify?? Are you no longer looking for big board light wind solutions??

My saved wind and tide report from Fox 120 7.8 race sail 38fin g10. We sailed on last of outgoing tide till we ran out of water.

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jirvin4505 said..
Just got a fox 120 with expectations of having an easier time in chop on bribie passage.
really haven't used it yet but son Max has in lightwindish day. I was having fun in 169 freeformula 85cm wife with Ezzy 8.5 at 88kg (reference point for wind etc)


max had 7.8 reflex on fox 120 with 38cm fin 88kg
Felt powered but not well developed wind - pumping into plane.

So probably wind conditions you are talking about.
his report is ... (see from perspective of aspiring PWA RACER 15yo!)

Easily onto plane accelerates quickly hower top speed feels limited compared to his slalom rides

That said he was faster than the isonic sailing same day and was able hold speed much further out into the bribie passage than the isonic

His conclusion was that he would rather be on a smaller slalom board - kids!

for me there wasn't enough wind or technique to get going with the 7.8 race sail and didn't want to break my new toy trying to get going with marginal power requiring pumping a race sail

I was getting going easily with the 8.5 Ezzy on the bigger board but not going out as far into the rough water

Today I was on 168 freeformula (my futura waiting for repairs) well powered up 7.5 Ezzy Lots of strong overpowering gusts (big smile) - felt a little disappointed as this was wind and conditions I wanted for fox but I had left it at home ... maybe monday / Tuesday will be the Fox day -- OLD SLOW BUGGER RIDES PRETTY NEW BOARD!!

For you OW how much chop do you get in the light winds you specify?? Are you no longer looking for big board light wind solutions??

38cm of fin with a 7.8 and 88 kilos isn't ideal. For that weight I would go 43 to 45cm with the 7.8 . The fox 120 has the width to handle it.

Obviously the Fox isn't going to be as fast as slalom kit but I think the choppier it gets the less the speed difference will be. This is subject to skill level as well though. A strong and fit sailor with good setup and skills will still blast over the the chop as you would expect. However I'm not strong and fit which is why I appreciate the Fox.

One thing I forgot to mention in my earlier post, my favourite thing about the Fox is the gybes. The Fox has very soft rails but big cutouts and it gybes beautifully. Easiest power gybes I've ever done. The Fox will do any gybe you want, laydown, power or casual safety gybes.

>not as strong and fit....
I agree cluffy....
this was a deciding factor in getting the Fox ....
lots of love for them here Qld Esp. In the not so young and fit demographic

really didn't expect the son to fall in love with one of his dads boards

looking forward to experimenting with bigger fins

cheers Jeff

hi Jeff the fox has good top speed but because of the v you have to get on the tail and it will go,first time i rode mine i got it to 55 klms at alva which only had short runs,in the rougth water in tsv can run 26 knts very controled

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jirvin4505 said..
Just got a fox 120 with expectations of having an easier time in chop on bribie passage.
really haven't used it yet but son Max has in lightwindish day. I was having fun in 169 freeformula 85cm wife with Ezzy 8.5 at 88kg (reference point for wind etc)


max had 7.8 reflex on fox 120 with 38cm fin 88kg
Felt powered but not well developed wind - pumping into plane.

So probably wind conditions you are talking about.
his report is ... (see from perspective of aspiring PWA RACER 15yo!)

Easily onto plane accelerates quickly hower top speed feels limited compared to his slalom rides

That said he was faster than the isonic sailing same day and was able hold speed much further out into the bribie passage than the isonic

His conclusion was that he would rather be on a smaller slalom board - kids!

for me there wasn't enough wind or technique to get going with the 7.8 race sail and didn't want to break my new toy trying to get going with marginal power requiring pumping a race sail

I was getting going easily with the 8.5 Ezzy on the bigger board but not going out as far into the rough water

Today I was on 168 freeformula (my futura waiting for repairs) well powered up 7.5 Ezzy Lots of strong overpowering gusts (big smile) - felt a little disappointed as this was wind and conditions I wanted for fox but I had left it at home ... maybe monday / Tuesday will be the Fox day -- OLD SLOW BUGGER RIDES PRETTY NEW BOARD!!

For you OW how much chop do you get in the light winds you specify?? Are you no longer looking for big board light wind solutions??

G'day Jeff, I bought a 2020 SLW so have my big board for lightwind, I.e. < 12 knots. Just exploring options for 12-15. Chop in 12-15 is not huge but does get reasonably choppy in 15 when the tide is full. If one board is smoother in chop in those conditions than another, without sacrificing early planing and perhaps top speed, than I am interested to know. Doesn't seem like there's too many Super Ride owners around.

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Orange Whip said..

jirvin4505 said..
Just got a fox 120 with expectations of having an easier time in chop on bribie passage.
really haven't used it yet but son Max has in lightwindish day. I was having fun in 169 freeformula 85cm wife with Ezzy 8.5 at 88kg (reference point for wind etc)


max had 7.8 reflex on fox 120 with 38cm fin 88kg
Felt powered but not well developed wind - pumping into plane.

So probably wind conditions you are talking about.
his report is ... (see from perspective of aspiring PWA RACER 15yo!)

Easily onto plane accelerates quickly hower top speed feels limited compared to his slalom rides

That said he was faster than the isonic sailing same day and was able hold speed much further out into the bribie passage than the isonic

His conclusion was that he would rather be on a smaller slalom board - kids!

for me there wasn't enough wind or technique to get going with the 7.8 race sail and didn't want to break my new toy trying to get going with marginal power requiring pumping a race sail

I was getting going easily with the 8.5 Ezzy on the bigger board but not going out as far into the rough water

Today I was on 168 freeformula (my futura waiting for repairs) well powered up 7.5 Ezzy Lots of strong overpowering gusts (big smile) - felt a little disappointed as this was wind and conditions I wanted for fox but I had left it at home ... maybe monday / Tuesday will be the Fox day -- OLD SLOW BUGGER RIDES PRETTY NEW BOARD!!

For you OW how much chop do you get in the light winds you specify?? Are you no longer looking for big board light wind solutions??

G'day Jeff, I bought a 2020 SLW so have my big board for lightwind, I.e. < 12 knots. Just exploring options for 12-15. Chop in 12-15 is not huge but does get reasonably choppy in 15 when the tide is full. If one board is smoother in chop in those conditions than another, without sacrificing early planing and perhaps top speed, than I am interested to know. Doesn't seem like there's too many Super Ride owners around.

If you want a comfy ride and user friendly board check out the 72 wide Windtech Silver bullits, I've got the 64WT. I haven't had the wind to test it fully lit yet but it feels fast!

windtechwindsurfing.com/collections/silver-bullet/products/silver-bullet-72

This reviewer has a 120 Fox to compare it with.

windtechwindsurfing.com/pages/silver-bullet-72



Anders Bringdall review

windtechwindsurfing.com/pages/sb72-review-by-anders-bringdal

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sboardcrazy said..

Orange Whip said..

jirvin4505 said..
Just got a fox 120 with expectations of having an easier time in chop on bribie passage.
really haven't used it yet but son Max has in lightwindish day. I was having fun in 169 freeformula 85cm wife with Ezzy 8.5 at 88kg (reference point for wind etc)


max had 7.8 reflex on fox 120 with 38cm fin 88kg
Felt powered but not well developed wind - pumping into plane.

So probably wind conditions you are talking about.
his report is ... (see from perspective of aspiring PWA RACER 15yo!)

Easily onto plane accelerates quickly hower top speed feels limited compared to his slalom rides

That said he was faster than the isonic sailing same day and was able hold speed much further out into the bribie passage than the isonic

His conclusion was that he would rather be on a smaller slalom board - kids!

for me there wasn't enough wind or technique to get going with the 7.8 race sail and didn't want to break my new toy trying to get going with marginal power requiring pumping a race sail

I was getting going easily with the 8.5 Ezzy on the bigger board but not going out as far into the rough water

Today I was on 168 freeformula (my futura waiting for repairs) well powered up 7.5 Ezzy Lots of strong overpowering gusts (big smile) - felt a little disappointed as this was wind and conditions I wanted for fox but I had left it at home ... maybe monday / Tuesday will be the Fox day -- OLD SLOW BUGGER RIDES PRETTY NEW BOARD!!

For you OW how much chop do you get in the light winds you specify?? Are you no longer looking for big board light wind solutions??

G'day Jeff, I bought a 2020 SLW so have my big board for lightwind, I.e. < 12 knots. Just exploring options for 12-15. Chop in 12-15 is not huge but does get reasonably choppy in 15 when the tide is full. If one board is smoother in chop in those conditions than another, without sacrificing early planing and perhaps top speed, than I am interested to know. Doesn't seem like there's too many Super Ride owners around.

If you want a comfy ride and user friendly board check out the 72 wide Windtech Silver bullits, I've got the 64WT. I haven't had the wind to test it fully lit yet but it feels fast!

windtechwindsurfing.com/collections/silver-bullet/products/silver-bullet-72

This reviewer has a 120 Fox to compare it with.

windtechwindsurfing.com/pages/silver-bullet-72



Anders Bringdall review

windtechwindsurfing.com/pages/sb72-review-by-anders-bringdal

Good reviews there. Geez they're long at 262. Did you find the length took a bit of getting used to ? I borrowed an oldish Excite ride a couple of years ago, it was around 100 litres, before I bought my 98 Gecko, and it was about 252. I really noticed the extra length compared to my other boards at the time and I can't say I liked it.

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Orange Whip said..

sboardcrazy said..

Orange Whip said..

jirvin4505 said..
Just got a fox 120 with expectations of having an easier time in chop on bribie passage.
really haven't used it yet but son Max has in lightwindish day. I was having fun in 169 freeformula 85cm wife with Ezzy 8.5 at 88kg (reference point for wind etc)


max had 7.8 reflex on fox 120 with 38cm fin 88kg
Felt powered but not well developed wind - pumping into plane.

So probably wind conditions you are talking about.
his report is ... (see from perspective of aspiring PWA RACER 15yo!)

Easily onto plane accelerates quickly hower top speed feels limited compared to his slalom rides

That said he was faster than the isonic sailing same day and was able hold speed much further out into the bribie passage than the isonic

His conclusion was that he would rather be on a smaller slalom board - kids!

for me there wasn't enough wind or technique to get going with the 7.8 race sail and didn't want to break my new toy trying to get going with marginal power requiring pumping a race sail

I was getting going easily with the 8.5 Ezzy on the bigger board but not going out as far into the rough water

Today I was on 168 freeformula (my futura waiting for repairs) well powered up 7.5 Ezzy Lots of strong overpowering gusts (big smile) - felt a little disappointed as this was wind and conditions I wanted for fox but I had left it at home ... maybe monday / Tuesday will be the Fox day -- OLD SLOW BUGGER RIDES PRETTY NEW BOARD!!

For you OW how much chop do you get in the light winds you specify?? Are you no longer looking for big board light wind solutions??

G'day Jeff, I bought a 2020 SLW so have my big board for lightwind, I.e. < 12 knots. Just exploring options for 12-15. Chop in 12-15 is not huge but does get reasonably choppy in 15 when the tide is full. If one board is smoother in chop in those conditions than another, without sacrificing early planing and perhaps top speed, than I am interested to know. Doesn't seem like there's too many Super Ride owners around.

If you want a comfy ride and user friendly board check out the 72 wide Windtech Silver bullits, I've got the 64WT. I haven't had the wind to test it fully lit yet but it feels fast!

windtechwindsurfing.com/collections/silver-bullet/products/silver-bullet-72

This reviewer has a 120 Fox to compare it with.

windtechwindsurfing.com/pages/silver-bullet-72



Anders Bringdall review

windtechwindsurfing.com/pages/sb72-review-by-anders-bringdal

Good reviews there. Geez they're long at 262. Did you find the length took a bit of getting used to ? I borrowed an oldish Excite ride a couple of years ago, it was around 100 litres, before I bought my 98 Gecko, and it was about 252. I really noticed the extra length compared to my other boards at the time and I can't say I liked it.

I haven't had a decent powered up session yet but the few squirts I've had felt great. The length doesn't seem to have any downsides when sailing. The nose rides above the chop.
I got one short really powered up bit yesterday and bore off a little and the board sat right back on it's tail and just took off. I thought about putting the mastfoot forward but there was no control issues..I'll wait till I get some consistently powered sessions to see if I need to. I think I'm just not used to the length and the way it rides.
I like the length. I have the 64 WT and it justs fits in my LWB van. ( I've got a cargos barrier so if you don't have a barrier they should fit ok.)
The extra length helps stability uphauling and slogging.
Compared to my Excocet 112ltre RS4 the WT is 12cm longer and 4 cms narrower. I'd rather be on it to slog as the nose just lifts over the chop and doesn't shovel through it like the Excocet. At speed it rides high and although it's still a 'slapper' in messy chop it's a super comfy slapper.. A spongy type ride rather than harsh.
I still like my Exocet if the chop is small and the wind consistent but I don't know how often I'll use it now..
Extra length ( and design) seems to help it go upwind . Even slogging it gets upwind heaps better than the wider shorter board.
The Excocet might plane about 2 kts earlier although I haven't done a back to back test. The WT has a great wind range.
If you want fun, comfort and user friendliness with a good turn of speed give them a look.
The fun factor on these boards ,especially off the wind, is amazing!!

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sboardcrazy said..

Orange Whip said..

sboardcrazy said..

Orange Whip said..

jirvin4505 said..
Just got a fox 120 with expectations of having an easier time in chop on bribie passage.
really haven't used it yet but son Max has in lightwindish day. I was having fun in 169 freeformula 85cm wife with Ezzy 8.5 at 88kg (reference point for wind etc)


max had 7.8 reflex on fox 120 with 38cm fin 88kg
Felt powered but not well developed wind - pumping into plane.

So probably wind conditions you are talking about.
his report is ... (see from perspective of aspiring PWA RACER 15yo!)

Easily onto plane accelerates quickly hower top speed feels limited compared to his slalom rides

That said he was faster than the isonic sailing same day and was able hold speed much further out into the bribie passage than the isonic

His conclusion was that he would rather be on a smaller slalom board - kids!

for me there wasn't enough wind or technique to get going with the 7.8 race sail and didn't want to break my new toy trying to get going with marginal power requiring pumping a race sail

I was getting going easily with the 8.5 Ezzy on the bigger board but not going out as far into the rough water

Today I was on 168 freeformula (my futura waiting for repairs) well powered up 7.5 Ezzy Lots of strong overpowering gusts (big smile) - felt a little disappointed as this was wind and conditions I wanted for fox but I had left it at home ... maybe monday / Tuesday will be the Fox day -- OLD SLOW BUGGER RIDES PRETTY NEW BOARD!!

For you OW how much chop do you get in the light winds you specify?? Are you no longer looking for big board light wind solutions??

G'day Jeff, I bought a 2020 SLW so have my big board for lightwind, I.e. < 12 knots. Just exploring options for 12-15. Chop in 12-15 is not huge but does get reasonably choppy in 15 when the tide is full. If one board is smoother in chop in those conditions than another, without sacrificing early planing and perhaps top speed, than I am interested to know. Doesn't seem like there's too many Super Ride owners around.

If you want a comfy ride and user friendly board check out the 72 wide Windtech Silver bullits, I've got the 64WT. I haven't had the wind to test it fully lit yet but it feels fast!

windtechwindsurfing.com/collections/silver-bullet/products/silver-bullet-72

This reviewer has a 120 Fox to compare it with.

windtechwindsurfing.com/pages/silver-bullet-72



Anders Bringdall review

windtechwindsurfing.com/pages/sb72-review-by-anders-bringdal

Good reviews there. Geez they're long at 262. Did you find the length took a bit of getting used to ? I borrowed an oldish Excite ride a couple of years ago, it was around 100 litres, before I bought my 98 Gecko, and it was about 252. I really noticed the extra length compared to my other boards at the time and I can't say I liked it.

I haven't had a decent powered up session yet but the few squirts I've had felt great. The length doesn't seem to have any downsides when sailing. The nose rides above the chop.
I got one short really powered up bit yesterday and bore off a little and the board sat right back on it's tail and just took off. I thought about putting the mastfoot forward but there was no control issues..I'll wait till I get some consistently powered sessions to see if I need to. I think I'm just not used to the length and the way it rides.
I like the length. I have the 64 WT and it justs fits in my LWB van. ( I've got a cargos barrier so if you don't have a barrier they should fit ok.)
The extra length helps stability uphauling and slogging.
Compared to my Excocet 112ltre RS4 the WT is 12cm longer and 4 cms narrower. I'd rather be on it to slog as the nose just lifts over the chop and doesn't shovel through it like the Excocet. At speed it rides high and although it's still a 'slapper' in messy chop it's a super comfy slapper.. A spongy type ride rather than harsh.
I still like my Exocet if the chop is small and the wind consistent but I don't know how often I'll use it now..
Extra length ( and design) seems to help it go upwind . Even slogging it gets upwind heaps better than the wider shorter board.
The Excocet might plane about 2 kts earlier although I haven't done a back to back test. The WT has a great wind range.
If you want fun, comfort and user friendliness with a good turn of speed give them a look.
The fun factor on these boards ,especially off the wind, is amazing!!

The length affect your gybes?

Haven't had enough wind to really go for any powered up ones.. I think the length helps in subplaning flare gybes.
For powered gybes I've heard you need to put your front foot further forward ,just let the board choose it's arc and they slice around..Slightly different technique to an aggressive slalom gybe.
I can't plane through my gybes in chop anyway ..I'll have to give it a go in flatwater..
So far it seems a really user friendly easy board to sail.
That's why I got it.. I'm not getting any younger.. Some of the more experienced guys can probably give you more info..

I bought a JP Super Ride 124 FWS a few months ago. It reminds me of my previous Starboard S-type. It is fast as crap but easier to control when powered up. It feels small for a 124 liter but provides enough float for my 200lbs to up-haul if needed. It Jibes well but takes commitment and steady rail pressure. Heavy chop can be managed better by moving back and taking weight off the nose. The Fin whistled at full speed but sanding he trailing edge took care of that and It has a foil ready box that was a huge added bonus for me.
I have foiled the JP 124 with a Moses Vento 85 foil and North 6.0 in 10-15mph winds with surprisingly good results and used the same 6.0 with a 40cm fin in 15 to 25mph with equally good results. I have also sailed it with a 7.5 race sail that felt very well balanced. I'd imagine a lighter guy could use a 8.5 no problem.
If I only had room to take one board with me this would be the one. I have heard good things about and also considered the Fox, it may be more comfortable in heavy chop but no foil box was a deal breaker for me.

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windfred said..
I bought a JP Super Ride 124 FWS a few months ago. It reminds me of my previous Starboard S-type. It is fast as crap but easier to control when powered up. It feels small for a 124 liter but provides enough float for my 200lbs to up-haul if needed. It Jibes well but takes commitment and steady rail pressure. Heavy chop can be managed better by moving back and taking weight off the nose. The Fin whistled at full speed but sanding he trailing edge took care of that and It has a foil ready box that was a huge added bonus for me.
I have foiled the JP 124 with a Moses Vento 85 foil and North 6.0 in 10-15mph winds with surprisingly good results and used the same 6.0 with a 40cm fin in 15 to 25mph with equally good results. I have also sailed it with a 7.5 race sail that felt very well balanced. I'd imagine a lighter guy could use a 8.5 no problem.
If I only had room to take one board with me this would be the one. I have heard good things about and also considered the Fox, it may be more comfortable in heavy chop but no foil box was a deal breaker for me.

I am tempted to get a JP Super Ride 102 because it has a foil box and I can use it with a Moses 790/85, I am 72Kg so it should be workable. But I am a bit hesitant because it is a bit difficult to figure how "tuned down" it is with respect to a slalom/free race board ... any numbers to quantify that "fast as crap"? Any 102 user out there?

Dave.
Can't be faster than SuperS, so not as fast as your Isonic or old Carbon Arts.
But smoother and easier jibing.
I see in foil conditions, bigger boards plane up quicker than smaller boards. Plus, what are we doing on foils that need smaller boards?
Except you guys who like foiling in high winds, of course.

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LeeD said..
Dave.
Can't be faster than SuperS, so not as fast as your Isonic or old Carbon Arts.
But smoother and easier jibing.
I see in foil conditions, bigger boards plane up quicker than smaller boards. Plus, what are we doing on foils that need smaller boards?
Except you guys who like foiling in high winds, of course.

Indeed I still have my Carbon Art Slalom 52 if I want to go fast. A 100L is for the mid range, for which I have nothing since I sold my Patrik 100 slalom. Super Ride might actually work better in chop than a dedicated slalom, but I do not want to be on a sleepy board in the mid range ...

Given my current dismal foil skill level the foil box on the Super Ride is right now just wishful thinking. But if it works it would decrease the load a lot. A B&J 85L plus one 102 liters and off you go ready for almost anything. There are people starting to do that with a Freestyle board.

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windfred said..
I bought a JP Super Ride 124 FWS a few months ago. It reminds me of my previous Starboard S-type. It is fast as crap but easier to control when powered up. It feels small for a 124 liter but provides enough float for my 200lbs to up-haul if needed. It Jibes well but takes commitment and steady rail pressure. Heavy chop can be managed better by moving back and taking weight off the nose. The Fin whistled at full speed but sanding he trailing edge took care of that and It has a foil ready box that was a huge added bonus for me.
I have foiled the JP 124 with a Moses Vento 85 foil and North 6.0 in 10-15mph winds with surprisingly good results and used the same 6.0 with a 40cm fin in 15 to 25mph with equally good results. I have also sailed it with a 7.5 race sail that felt very well balanced. I'd imagine a lighter guy could use a 8.5 no problem.
If I only had room to take one board with me this would be the one. I have heard good things about and also considered the Fox, it may be more comfortable in heavy chop but no foil box was a deal breaker for me.

I am tempted to get a JP Super Ride 102 because it has a foil box and I can use it with a Moses 790/85, I am 72Kg so it should be workable. But I am a bit hesitant because it is a bit difficult to figure how "tuned down" it is with respect to a slalom/free race board ... any numbers to quantify that "fast as crap"? Any 102 user out there?

I don't have any GPS figures to quote but I don't think the average non-pro windsurfer (Like me) is going to be much faster on a dedicated Slalom/Race board.

I finally used the JP 124 Super Ride with a 5.5 today. It was blowing in the 18-30's range. I normally use a smaller board in these conditions but needed something floaty to get me out to the wind line. At times in the gust I was way over powered actually wanting the thing to slow down a bit....at almost 60 I'm not as young and daring as I once was. To have such a flat rocker and bottom and sharp rails the board did amazingly well in the chop. It never felt too big and never felt like it topped out on speed, I definitely could have sheeted in and closed the gap to get a bit more out of it. With the mast base a little behind center The 5.5 Retro felt nicely balanced on it too.

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Orange Whip said..
Sorry, not a review.
Question: Fox 120 Ltr 70 wide or JP Super Ride Pro 124 Ltr 70.5 wide for use with NP 7.7 V8 if main criteria are early planing and comfort in chop? 75 kg rider.

Hello,
I (79kg) have the Fox 105 (65cm wide), not the 120cm. in my opinion the Fox is not among the best early planing boards due to the V and rather narrow shape.
The 105 works well for me with 17+kn (Overdrive 7.0/7.8). I would think that the 120 won't get you planing at 12kn. At 15 maybe - the V8 7.7 is rather good at low winds.
Overall I would say the fox and its V is good for high-wind choppy waters. At 12-15kn you normally have rather flat waters.
I would clearly recommend you a bit a wider board for early planing, maybe a JP Magic Ride 119 (74cm) or a JP Supersport 122 (76cm).

best regards
mariachi76

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Cluffy said..
I have a fox 120 that I run 7.0 and 7.8 overdrives on. It's a great board and I love it but I have started to wonder about the merits of the deep V it has.This all started in January 2019 when I went to the Inverloch Guy Cribb clinic. When I pulled out the fox Guy Cribb showed an interest in it immediately and asked to take it for a run. I was somewhat surprised at his impressions. He described the board as very nice and very interesting but he also said it felt like the V was causing a bit of drag and was also causing the windward rail to drop. I'm not so sure about the V causing drag but the windward rail was definitely dropping. This kind of drove me nuts for a while as it never really bothered me before but now it was nagging me as I sailed along with my windward rail down. I have since concluded that it is incorrect setup and bad technique that was causing the windward rail to drop not a fault in the board design. That's bad technique by me not Guy Cribb lol. Every thing Guy taught me has turned out to dead on the guy's a genius seriously.

The 40cm G10 fin supplied with the Fox is a really nice fin but it's borderline to small for the 7.8. I run a 43 cm Vmax 4 with my 7.8 and it feels a lot better. The 40cm fin goes well with the 7.0 but it still needs the correct setup. I was running my mast step in the middle and this was part of the problem. I moved it back about a centimetre and this helped the board roll back onto the tail a bit more. Now the V section wasn't in the water as much and the windward rail was dropping a lot less. I found boom height to be another factor. I tend to lower my boom a bit as the wind picks up but doing this to soon was another factor in the windward rail dropping. So basically mast step back a bit and watch the boom height, then while sailing keep the board rolled back onto the tail section and keep that V section out of the water.

despite my lack of conviction about the V of the fox I want to clarify that it's a great board and I'm totally happy with it. Going to Guy Cribb school simply pointed something I was doing wrong. You can put the footstraps in the outboard positions and put on a race sail and a slalom fin and blaze around at great speed all day. The fox becomes quite lively when you roll it back onto the tail and power it up. It also seems to max out a bit as it hits top speed but this is probably my physical limitations rather than the board.

I have also used the Fox 120 in rolling surf at trial bay NSW. I was using a Blade 6.7 wave sail with a 39 cm curvy freeride fin with the footstraps in the inboard positions. This totally changed the feel of the board. moving the straps inboard removed the windward rail problem but didn't seem to affect top end speed much at all. So the Fox is quite a versatile beast.

At your weight of 75kgs with 7.8, You will be powered up in 15 knots so unless you are sailing at a choppy spot I don't think chop will be much of an issue. The 120 is on big side for 75 kgs but if you a reasonably fit you will still be able to drive it hard in 20 knots of wind. I'm not sure about now but when I bought my fox it had a decent price advantage over the competition.

I'm still curious to see what a fox would feel like with double concaves into a slight V.

Good points Cluffy. Interesting observation about the V. I've tried all the fox's (95,105,120,140). I find that some times the inward strap positions better on the smaller Fox's (95 &105) when the water conditions are really rough and you are using less powerful rigs, eg Gator, NCX, Turbo GT, as you don't drop that windward rail as much, keeping your balance more in the centre like a wave board, giving greater control in the air, over big seas and rough water. The Fox is really good in those conditions, you can really keep the hammer down and they are fast.

I was surprized how fast they are. I took my 105 to the green island nationals last year. I had no problem matching or beating the speed of the top guys, I ended up getting through to the final most rounds. However I tended to get over taken around the corners due to somewhat as a result of my technique and dedicated slalom boards accelerating better coming out of corners. I ran a 6.2R& and 7.0OD on it. The winder it got the better my results were.

Interesting comment about rolling back onto the tail and the fox getting quite lively, as I find that as well. Put a powerful rig on it (M3) in over powered conditions and I have a lot of trouble keeping the nose down, weight on the front foot and not flying off the fin too much. I should be changing well before that happens to be fair. I find them quite fin sensitive, Vector Volts work well for me on the smaller sizes.

My favourite fox is the 140 with a 8.6OD. I tend to run the straps on the outside settings as the water conditions are less choppy due to the wind strength, plus the board must have less V in it as you don't tend to bog the wind ward rail so much

I have fox 95 for the stronger winds. 90 kg 6.0m and less. As it will be more choppy and that is the reason for the Fox. I find the standard fin making the board a bit more nervous. When putting on a slalom fin it sails like a dream, planing, stability and speed. An amazing board.

Look at the youtube of Karo von Toonder, why she uses this for high wind slalom racing over the isonic.

Fox 120 with the stock fin and 8.6 overdrive is so much fun and very quick, but if your thinking of using a smaller sail then you will defiantly need a smaller fin

Hi, am not familiar with a Fox 120 as am UK based but have owned a Super Ride 124 for about 12 months and just wanted to feedback some observations. The board is superfast and planes almost effortlessly but I have found the mast track setting very sensitive and have also recently moved the footstraps outboard and cannot for the life of me get in the back straps easily (maybe technique). I have not owned a board which is quite so sensitive to mast track adjustment. Has anyone else found this?

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Jimbob37 said..
Hi, am not familiar with a Fox 120 as am UK based but have owned a Super Ride 124 for about 12 months and just wanted to feedback some observations. The board is superfast and planes almost effortlessly but I have found the mast track setting very sensitive and have also recently moved the footstraps outboard and cannot for the life of me get in the back straps easily (maybe technique). I have not owned a board which is quite so sensitive to mast track adjustment. Has anyone else found this?

What happens if you try to get into the back straps?
- board turns upwind? -> try to get more speed on a downwind course before getting into the strap. Keep downwind course a bit longer. Or put the weight on your front toes to avoid turning upwind. A bigger sail with more power helps against unwanted upwind turn and therefore helps to get into the back straps.
- simply cant find the straps? Put your foot next to it until you feel it with yoursmall toe, then it is easier to find them without looking.
- touch the water with the heels when enterin the footstraps? Lift the heel more. Or try samesolutions mentioned when board turns upwind.

In the end, it is all practice. Use flat water conditions for training. You will get used to it, and in a few weeks you will wonder what the problem was :-).

best regards
mariachi76

Now this is a review. I bought a 2020 124 Super Ride FWS. Took it out for the first time today with a 6.7 V8. Wind was a little under early on and then came in and was powered up. Very happy with the board, albeit only one outing. First impressions, good build quality, seems really solid construction, nice straps with number display for the settings so you can set them all the same.. Does feel smaller than 124 and 70 wide. Gets on to the plane easily and very easy to sail. Gybes nicely. Don't have a GPS so don't know about speed, fast enough for me. Sailed on a full tide so it was pretty choppy and when fully powered up skimmed across the top negating the chop. The board has double concaves, more prominent than I expected but obviously offer benefit in chop.

Very happy with my purchase and looking forward to getting the most out of this board in future sessions.

^^ Hey Jimbob37, just FYi, I set the straps today in the outboard positions and the mast foot towards the front. I didn't have any of the issues that you have described. Board is easy to sail, plug and play I reckon. I'm not an expert sailor, just a weekend freerider and I found it very user friendly.