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Fast Nocam Sail: 6,6 KA Koyote or 6,5 Point7 AC-X?

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Created by ZeeGerman > 9 months ago, 21 Oct 2017
ZeeGerman
294 posts
21 Oct 2017 5:12PM
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I'm looking for a sail to blast around with in every-day conditions on freeride and and freerace boards: Currently a Tabou3S 96 and an oldish Tabou Rocket 115, but might change to something like a Goya Bolt 105.
I don't like the hassle of cammed sails and am not quite sure if I can really efficiently use their potential, especially without a dedicated slalom board.
I'm not in it to win it, but annoying a few people on more professional gear in the local speed challenge would be greatly rewarding so I've set my eyes on the Koyote, which seems to have a reputation of going fast. Plus, it looks great!
German Windsurfing magazine have so far agreed on the AC-X being the fastest thing out there. I could buy it locally.
Has anyone ever tested the two against each other?
Or do you have any other experience with either of them to help me decide?
Any advice would be strongly appreciated!

BSN101
WA, 2333 posts
21 Oct 2017 7:44PM
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Sorry but not on those sails but,

Im on NP Hellcats, 7 batten and no cams.
A mate is on Severne NCX, 7 batten and no cams.
Other mate is on Gaastra Savage, 7 batten & no cam.

I have the higher speed but i have a heavier weight advantage. We use the same fins (Tribal WeedSpeed). Our boards are modern slalom so very similar there.

The NP are fast in our local conditions.

The NCX sails have a HUGE wind range i.e. plenty adjustable should it get too windy. And now more sizes & new colour.

I am pretty sure that any of these sails will blow your mind but it will come down to price. If you can get the Coyote or AC-X at a good price then they are the ones to get. There are plenty of deals & bargains out there but you can't wait forever.

Remember about your masts, will you need new ones or are your existing one compatible.

If I was after new kit Simmer appeals to me as does the KA and the Severne because of its adjustability. But it also still comes down to dollars.

Keep us all informed!

Dave

Margo91
10 posts
21 Oct 2017 7:57PM
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check Goya Mark, with Bolt

legless
SA, 852 posts
22 Oct 2017 7:45AM
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Simmer Style Vmax:


mr love
VIC, 2376 posts
22 Oct 2017 10:09AM
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Any of the sails you have mentioned will work great and I think you will be happy whatever you pick. If you have existing masts, depending on what they are some of the sails will work better than others.
I am clearly biased so take what I say with a grain of salt......but I can vouch for the Koyote, having used this sail a lot. It is capable of very high speeds....Spotti did over 40 knots on one many years ago at the PiT and from memory I have also done 40 knots on one. It is by design a camless Koncept, the shaping really similar. For a camless sail it has pretty high luff round which gives great stability the downside being it makes sleeving the mast a bit more difficult. Compared to a cammed sail it will get a bit unstable right at the top end when you are really powered up but I think that will be a given for any of these sails. Being a 7 batten sail with a number of them tubes the Koyote is about as stable as a camless can be in my opinion ( without going for full carbon tube battens).
Also if you do want to go really fast on a freeride / freerace board I think there are better choices than the Tabou 3s. I had a 106 and it did not work for me at all in the speed stakes regardless of what fin I put in it, topped out and got unstable. On the Bay as hard as I tried I could not crack 30 knots on it, since done 5 knots faster with the same sail and fin on a prototype I designed. The 3S is a really, really nice cruising board though and a joy to blast around on if top speed is not your priority, I was probably trying to make it do stuff it wasn't designed for.. My suggestion would be see if you can demo some alternatives before making a choice on a replacement as the characteristics of freeride boards appear to vary a lot....some capable of high speed and others more maneuver oriented..

ZeeGerman
294 posts
23 Oct 2017 11:23PM
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Thanks for all your advice!
You confirm my notion that none of these sails would be a wrong choice.
The Severne appears to be a really good sail, but is a lot more expensive than the Point7 or The Koyote here.
@MrLove: What you write makes me drool over the sail. I would trust your advice especially as your impressions of the 3S match mine a lot: Great board and probably the best when it comes to eating chop, but I feel it's quite limited in top speed. hard to tell, though, when I just managed to push it to 30 knots but not more once I didn't know where to apportion the blame, as my four-batten wave sail was lacking stability as well. Clearly I need something else.
@Margo91: Thanks, great vid, I particularla enjoyed how the sailor on the bolt kept winning back his position in the jibes.
I think it will be the Koyote in the end. Do they work better on an RDM or SDM?
Cheers, Sven

mr love
VIC, 2376 posts
24 Oct 2017 6:45AM
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Sven, I use my Koyotes on RDM purely as they are easier to rig. On RDM there is more "loose" luff sleeve so the sail feels softer than on SDM. On SDM they feel a bit more direct / powerful but sleeving the mast is more difficult due to the pretty high luff round.

I had a Tabou 3s 86 2016 which I really liked as a high wind bump and jump board, excellent in Port Phillip Bay and the rough water we get. As I enjoyed that board so much I got a 106 2016 but we never got along. It felt very draggy and I just could not get it to feel like it was unsticking and flying, always felt bogged down. I initially blamed the stock fin which frankly is rubbish but even with some excellent fins in it I could never get it to really rock and roll. A lovely board at cruising speeds, good in chop and a beautiful gybe but just not fast enough for me. I found that when you really tried to push it fast it got unstable, bucked around and rolled rail to rail at times. Just not the board for me so I designed something and had it built which now goes too fast for an old man

ZeeGerman
294 posts
31 Oct 2017 2:59AM
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Thanks for even more advice, Mr Love!
Now I'm getting it. It took some time to ring a bell: you're the Masterblaster's Mastermind!?
Interesting project, I would love to try the Masterblaster or even the Weapon, but to live on the other side of the planet.
Keep up your pioneer spirit, though!
Are their any photos of your boards?
Cheers, Sven

mr love
VIC, 2376 posts
31 Oct 2017 6:35AM
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Ha..yes the Masterblaster. Having lots of fun designing this and ready for a prototype, really excited about it...just need fun tickets. Apologies to everybody for 'sprewking" but Sven did ask..... Here is a shot of the Weapon 73 I took at Brighton a couple of weeks ago but the sun was in the wrong position. PM me and I can give you some more info.

duzzi
1084 posts
4 Dec 2017 11:00AM
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ZeeGerman said..
I'm looking for a sail to blast around with in every-day conditions on freeride and and freerace boards: Currently a Tabou3S 96 and an oldish Tabou Rocket 115, but might change to something like a Goya Bolt 105.
I don't like the hassle of cammed sails and am not quite sure if I can really efficiently use their potential, especially without a dedicated slalom board.
I'm not in it to win it, but annoying a few people on more professional gear in the local speed challenge would be greatly rewarding so I've set my eyes on the Koyote, which seems to have a reputation of going fast. Plus, it looks great!
German Windsurfing magazine have so far agreed on the AC-X being the fastest thing out there. I could buy it locally.
Has anyone ever tested the two against each other?
Or do you have any other experience with either of them to help me decide?
Any advice would be strongly appreciated!



I have ac-x 5.8 and 6.5. Great sails: good low end and impressive high end. I broke my local spot record this year hitting 32.7 knots on the 5.8 and my ancient carbon art 52. My previous best was with a hot sails Maui gps 4 cams! Almost a knot slower ... Besides the speed the sail are ultra slippery when powered up: effortless.

Just in case: in my search for a lighter air sail I bought a mark Goya 7.2 that I sold after a month. Slowish, feels heavy, with a lot of side pull that made my isonic feel like it was sliding sideways. Avoid! I now have a switchblade loft 7.3.

philn
940 posts
4 Dec 2017 9:05PM
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Hi Duzzi, did you have enough downhaul on the Goya? If you are used to HSM the tuning for the 2 sail brands is quite different.

Goya requires loads more downhaul than HSM. They feel like crap until they look like they are over downhauled. Whereas the HSM seems far more tolerant of getting the downhaul wrong.

duzzi
1084 posts
5 Dec 2017 6:05AM
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philn said..
Hi Duzzi, did you have enough downhaul on the Goya? If you are used to HSM the tuning for the 2 sail brands is quite different.

Goya requires loads more downhaul than HSM. They feel like crap until they look like they are over downhauled. Whereas the HSM seems far more tolerant of getting the downhaul wrong.





I rigged to spec (to the "dot") that is quite a lot of down haul, and then as usual 1-2 cm above or below spec just to try. It is a good free ride sail, even at my 68kg it can take a lot of wind which is nice for cruising around. But for me there is no comparison with the ac-x both in terms of speed and lightness in the hands. The point-7 is marvelous: literally disappearing in your hands the more it gets powered up. It pulls straight ahead whith a speed that is again impressive. Too bad the 7.5 required a 460 SDM ... I hope I do not regret getting a switchblade now that I got used to cam less!

normster
NSW, 330 posts
5 Dec 2017 3:22PM
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what wind range would these sails be for on the boards above ?



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