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whats your tip

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Created by kpb > 9 months ago, 15 Oct 2013
kpb
QLD, 239 posts
15 Oct 2013 10:01AM
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If there is 1 tip you could give to be successful at windsurfing or improve your windsurfing what would it be.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
15 Oct 2013 11:06AM
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Move to Maui.

gregob
NSW, 264 posts
15 Oct 2013 11:23AM
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Obsessive Compulsive Disorder

Gestalt
QLD, 14722 posts
15 Oct 2013 10:26AM
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1. don't over grip the boom. think of it like a piano. you should be able to run your fingers along it's length while hooked in and not loose control. try pushing the boom away from you while sailing hooked in. this will force you into the correct stance.

2. boom at chin to eye height.

3. fins are critical to your joy level

4. masts should match sails

5. flip early and bend the knees when gybing while pulling down on the boom

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
15 Oct 2013 11:28AM
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+1 for Moby's..
Learn it correctly from the start ( lessons / videos) so you don't have to get out of bad habits further up the line.After about 20 years sailing ( self taught) I've just spent 18months ( ongoing) relearning how to gybe so I can get planing gybes.. Now to learn how to tack..
Live near the water and preferably have a flexible job so you can get out regularly and get TOW.
+ be a stubborn person with an " I'm going to beat this thing if it kills me" attitude....but have fun learning!
Sorry that was more than 1..

powersloshin
NSW, 1844 posts
15 Oct 2013 11:30AM
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keep trying, sail as often as possible

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
15 Oct 2013 11:31AM
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Gestalt said..

1. don't over grip the boom. think of it like a piano. you should be able to run your fingers along it's length while hooked in and not loose control. try pushing the boom away from you while sailing hooked in. this will force you into the correct stance.

2. boom at chin to eye height.

3. fins are critical to your joy level

4. masts should match sails

5. flip early and bend the knees when gybing while pulling down on the boom

Tried that yesterday and what a difference..Much better! I know it and used to do it but have got into bad habits ( mainly from sailing non planing I think in lightwinds)..

Gestalt
QLD, 14722 posts
15 Oct 2013 10:32AM
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sboardcrazy said..

Learn it correctly from the start ( lessons / videos) so you don't have to get out of bad habits further up the line.After about 20 years sailing ( self taught) I've just spent 18months ( ongoing) relearning how to gybe so I can get planing gybes.. Now to learn how to tack..
Live near the water and preferably have a flexible job so you can get out regularly and get TOW. +1 for Moby's..


in general tacking requires you to push against the sail once you've changed sides so that the backwinding process provides a counter balance and allows you to get the tail to spin. to practice sail into the wind and backwind the sail and lean/push against it. or sail into the wind, swap sides then backwind the sail and hold it until the tail gets pushed upwind slightly, then sheet in and drive the nose off the wind to pick up speed.

longboard or fast tack technique is different as you don't counter balance against the sail.

joe windsurf
1482 posts
15 Oct 2013 8:36AM
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#1) don't ask for tips on a windsurf forum

Gestalt
QLD, 14722 posts
15 Oct 2013 10:41AM
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on my wave gear i'm flipping the sail by the time i'm dead downwind. sheeting in when on a broadreach exiting.

race gear it's all delayed slightly. I hold the sail flip until just after going past the dead downwind angle. the more you oversheet your backhand the longer you can hold off on the flip.

it does depend on your speed and board rail/rocker shape. if you are going flat out on speed gear and try and flip early in chop you will most likely pull an upside down flaka.

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sboardcrazy said..

Gestalt said..

1. don't over grip the boom. think of it like a piano. you should be able to run your fingers along it's length while hooked in and not loose control. try pushing the boom away from you while sailing hooked in. this will force you into the correct stance.

2. boom at chin to eye height.

3. fins are critical to your joy level

4. masts should match sails

5. flip early and bend the knees when gybing while pulling down on the boom

Tried that yesterday and what a difference..Much better! I know it and used to do it but have got into bad habits ( mainly from sailing non planing I think in lightwinds)..



sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
15 Oct 2013 11:43AM
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Gestalt said..

sboardcrazy said..

Learn it correctly from the start ( lessons / videos) so you don't have to get out of bad habits further up the line.After about 20 years sailing ( self taught) I've just spent 18months ( ongoing) relearning how to gybe so I can get planing gybes.. Now to learn how to tack..
Live near the water and preferably have a flexible job so you can get out regularly and get TOW. +1 for Moby's..


in general tacking requires you to push against the sail so that the backwinding process provides a counter balance and allows you to get the tail to spin. sail into the wind and backwind the sail and lean/push against it until the tail gets pushed upwind slightly, then sheet in and drive the nose off the wind to pick up speed.

longboard or fast tack technique is different as you don't counter balance against the sail.



Shortboard/ Fast tack is what I am learning..although I have never really done much tacking ..I amazed myself yesterday getting one on the second go!It wasn't that fast only in flat water and 5kts of wind ( lull) but I had a heavy cammed 7.2m on and a 'no nose type board so I was stoked.. Now to go and study Guy Cribb's tips on tacking and do some dry land practise so I don't learn bad habits..

Gestalt
QLD, 14722 posts
15 Oct 2013 10:51AM
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the type of tacking I was describing is the type when you end up slightly submerged as you switch sides of the sail because you are on small gear.

on big gear just rake the rig back and sail up into the wind and just as the sail goes through hthe wind jump around the mast in one go and throw rig forward to bear away.

NR
WA, 517 posts
15 Oct 2013 9:40AM
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Pain is only temporary

Ragnar
QLD, 31 posts
15 Oct 2013 12:24PM
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Look at the sky when gybing - or behind you, or anywhere but at the nose of the board or your feet.

Don't set the boom TOO high (Between shoulders and nose - you can vary to suit conditions, sails, your height etc).

Get a GPS, join a team, and use KA72 - even if you're a soul-sailor.

Use 26-28 inch harness lines - verify by measuring them.

Pass used gear onto a learner.

If you're in SEQ lose weight!

Don't get cammed sails unless you have a serious need for speed and are prepared to make the requisite sacrifices.

Replace alloy booms every year.

Remember everyone peddles their favourite gear - be wary of biased opinions on the internet! (Though Exocet, Ezzy and Black project are clearly the best - lol)

Be kind to kiters - one might just rescue you one day.

Be smug because you're in the best sport in the world.

Always use sunscreen and wear a hat.

Buy a van - cars are useless to you now.

Gestalt
QLD, 14722 posts
15 Oct 2013 12:49PM
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sbc I adjusted my wording of how to tack so it makes more sense.

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sboardcrazy said..

Gestalt said..

sboardcrazy said..

Learn it correctly from the start ( lessons / videos) so you don't have to get out of bad habits further up the line.After about 20 years sailing ( self taught) I've just spent 18months ( ongoing) relearning how to gybe so I can get planing gybes.. Now to learn how to tack..
Live near the water and preferably have a flexible job so you can get out regularly and get TOW. +1 for Moby's..


in general tacking requires you to push against the sail so that the backwinding process provides a counter balance and allows you to get the tail to spin. sail into the wind and backwind the sail and lean/push against it until the tail gets pushed upwind slightly, then sheet in and drive the nose off the wind to pick up speed.

longboard or fast tack technique is different as you don't counter balance against the sail.



Shortboard/ Fast tack is what I am learning..although I have never really done much tacking ..I amazed myself yesterday getting one on the second go!It wasn't that fast only in flat water and 5kts of wind ( lull) but I had a heavy cammed 7.2m on and a 'no nose type board so I was stoked.. Now to go and study Guy Cribb's tips on tacking and do some dry land practise so I don't learn bad habits..


BenKirk
NSW, 600 posts
15 Oct 2013 2:01PM
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Although it involves money, if you can get the same sail but in 3 sizes, with the correct matching masts, you will progress more quickly. Knowing exactly how the sails feel/behave no matter what size is a great help.

albentley
NSW, 297 posts
15 Oct 2013 2:35PM
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spend 2 months doing for 4 hrs everyday somewhere with 20knts+

Almost every pro or semi pro sailor has done that at some point in their life, maybe even replace the 2 months with 2 years

cammd
QLD, 4331 posts
15 Oct 2013 1:42PM
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Start racing week in week out, you will get more time on the water plus learn heaps from the other sailors plus its good fun

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
15 Oct 2013 3:10PM
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Gestalt said..

sbc I adjusted my wording of how to tack so it makes more sense.

sboardcrazy said..

Gestalt said..

sboardcrazy said..

Learn it correctly from the start ( lessons / videos) so you don't have to get out of bad habits further up the line.After about 20 years sailing ( self taught) I've just spent 18months ( ongoing) relearning how to gybe so I can get planing gybes.. Now to learn how to tack..
Live near the water and preferably have a flexible job so you can get out regularly and get TOW. +1 for Moby's..


in general tacking requires you to push against the sail so that the backwinding process provides a counter balance and allows you to get the tail to spin. sail into the wind and backwind the sail and lean/push against it until the tail gets pushed upwind slightly, then sheet in and drive the nose off the wind to pick up speed.

longboard or fast tack technique is different as you don't counter balance against the sail.



Shortboard/ Fast tack is what I am learning..although I have never really done much tacking ..I amazed myself yesterday getting one on the second go!It wasn't that fast only in flat water and 5kts of wind ( lull) but I had a heavy cammed 7.2m on and a 'no nose type board so I was stoked.. Now to go and study Guy Cribb's tips on tacking and do some dry land practise so I don't learn bad habits..




When do you hop around the front?

AUS1111
WA, 3621 posts
15 Oct 2013 12:17PM
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Always sail like there is someone chasing you around in a chopper taking photos!

seanhogan
QLD, 3424 posts
15 Oct 2013 2:58PM
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shear

Mark _australia
WA, 23526 posts
15 Oct 2013 1:15PM
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A gybe is only a K (broad reach to broad reach) - that tip was a lightbulb moment for me. 110-120 deg not a 180.

Ragnar
QLD, 31 posts
15 Oct 2013 4:01PM
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Mark _australia said..

A gybe is only a K (broad reach to broad reach) - that tip was a lightbulb moment for me. 110-120 deg not a 180.


That's a good one.

aus301
QLD, 2039 posts
15 Oct 2013 4:27PM
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The best tip I have, have fun. Don't take it all too seriously and never forget why you started in the first place.

Get that right and everything else will fall into place.

Closed
VIC, 144 posts
15 Oct 2013 5:49PM
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Go out every time like it's your last....

Mark _australia
WA, 23526 posts
15 Oct 2013 3:05PM
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scott265 said..
Go out every time like it's your last....


I did that and it almost was.....

but yes - don't take it for granted

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
15 Oct 2013 3:28PM
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Each time you sail,increase the height of your boom slightly. I see too many sailors half a foot taller than me sailing with boom set crazy low. When I try their gear it's like,you must be joking!

It's more difficult to trim the board in stronger winds with high boom due to the massive increase in board lift you get from raising the boom,but after a few sessions of getting accustomed to this setup you will sail much better.


Using a harness with a hook that slides is another must for me,helps sailing upwind and maintaining board trim in the big gusts.as you can get more weight to the nose of the board.

CJW
NSW, 1731 posts
15 Oct 2013 7:00PM
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Push yourself to try things differently ALL the time. Don't just sail for the sake of it, get the most out of every session, if you can't gybe do 200 gybe attempts, if you can't tack do 200 tack attempts etc etc, don't do 200 the same way. Objectively analyse what could be going wrong and try something different, it's the only way you improve. Sail with really good sailors and learn from them, it's MUCH faster than learning yourself.

And don't worry about focus too much on your gear, I see it time and time and time again. People get caught up with the in thinking they have the wrong board, wrong fin, wrong boom etc. If you can afford it, sure, get nice stuff to complement what you want to do; slalom, waves, freestyle etc but 'something in the ballpark' is fine. Seriously some of the kids in the Caribbean sail on absolute rubbish gear but are probably better sailors than most on this site.

Time on water an making the most of every session is the key to windsurfing. If you just sail back and forth every session and try a gybe here and there you'll be doing the same thing with tiny incremental improvement for 20 years.

barn
WA, 2960 posts
15 Oct 2013 4:06PM
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Don't do forwards like Robby.

Mark _australia
WA, 23526 posts
15 Oct 2013 5:50PM
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barn said..
Don't do forwards like Robby.


I must be going great, cos I don't do anything like him

firiebob
WA, 3177 posts
15 Oct 2013 6:38PM
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aus301 said..

The best tip I have, have fun. Don't take it all too seriously and never forget why you started in the first place.

Get that right and everything else will fall into place.


+1

Exactly what I was thinking when I started reading this thread.

Also just keep it simple, leave the high tech to the pros

Oh yeh one more, besides TOW pick the good guy at your local and chase him, the brain's a wonderful thing and it'll all just fall into place

Cheers, Uncle Bob



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