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Who"s in the men's RSX at London

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Created by IanR > 9 months ago, 21 May 2012
IanR
NSW, 1327 posts
21 May 2012 10:44AM
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Who is Australia male representative for the RSX class of sailboard at the London Olympics
I see that Jessica Crisp is the woman competitor but can't find a men's competitor
www.olympics.com.au/sports/sailing/athletes/page/1
It would seems the last Australia male to compete in a Olympic windsurf event was Lars Kleppich in 2004

SeanAUS120
QLD, 769 posts
21 May 2012 11:26AM
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We've qualified a men's rep in both 2008 and 2012, but it remains to be seen whether they will actually send an athlete or not. Luke Baillie is in the box seat I would think if they do ....

boardboy
QLD, 554 posts
21 May 2012 11:30AM
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Here is a link i found for selected team members.

www.olympics.com.au/athlete-search

I think the link you have their Ian may be for atheletes from all olympics?!

Sterlings
QLD, 73 posts
21 May 2012 12:40PM
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Steve Allan

da vecta
QLD, 2515 posts
21 May 2012 1:39PM
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SeanAUS120 said...

We've qualified a men's rep in both 2008 and 2012, but it remains to be seen whether they will actually send an athlete or not. Luke Baillie is in the box seat I would think if they do ....


Why wouldn't they just bloody send him?

fjdoug
ACT, 548 posts
21 May 2012 2:49PM
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because arthur tunstall says if they're not going to win gold they can't bloody go

IanR
NSW, 1327 posts
21 May 2012 3:02PM
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fjdoug said...

because arthur tunstall says if they're not going to win gold they can't bloody go


How come Jessica Crisp get to go and this is her 5th Olympics if you include the 84 games where it was a demo event. She has never won a medal in the Olympics

Sterlings could you please provide some more info did he qualify for the 2008.and not go or are you referring to this years games

Chris 249
NSW, 3531 posts
21 May 2012 4:40PM
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I think you'll find it's because Jessica has fulfilled the requirements of Yachting Australia by achieving a high performance (including wins) in ISAF ranked regattas. The criteria were published long ago.

No disrespect to Luke, but he hasn't been getting the same sort of finishes, and 5th at the last Olympics wasn't exactly a bad result from Jess!

Whatever you may think of the fact that the YA and Australian Olympic Commission want to save bucks by not sending athletes who have not achieved the required finishes, they have been applying it for years. In 1988 and 1992 we didn't send a men's 470 crew because although we had trials, no one achieved the required performance at overseas regattas.

I don't like the policy, but sending someone to the Games apparently does cost big $$ that they want to spend elsewhere, if there is no chance of a good finish. And given that we went from not competing in 470s in '88 and '92 to winning Gold two Games later, the old line "how do you expect to get better if you don't send sailors" was exposed as complete rubbish....pity 'cause I believed it too!

PS my recollection is that no male RSX sailor achieved the required standard last Games. At the 2008 Worlds Steve was 48th and Michael Lancey in the 60s, but I thought Michael may have out-scored Steve in other regattas??????

The fact that a sailor of Steve's brilliance was that far down does seem to underline that the FW sailors weren't going to walk away with the RSX as some fanbois claimed!

Sterlings
QLD, 73 posts
21 May 2012 5:38PM
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Yes Jess qualified by winning last years World Cup event in Kiel. And an amazing effort it was too!

IanR
NSW, 1327 posts
21 May 2012 6:06PM
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Thanx Chris 249
There's obviously more politics in Olympic Sailing than I realized
Could you please direct me to the criteria for actually going to the Olympics
I found this website
http://worldwindsurfingchampionships2012.rsxclass.com/entries.jsp?competition_id=WC2012_001&sub_competition_id=WC2012_002
And according to it 3 Aussie males qualifed for the Olympic but it seems they have not reached the criteria required by the AOC

mathew
QLD, 2142 posts
21 May 2012 7:40PM
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I call phooey... do we need to mention Steven Bradbury?

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
21 May 2012 8:07PM
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If someone wants to compete at the Olympics why can't they just stump up their own cash and compete? It annoys me that taxpayer money goes towards paying for someone's jolly jaunt and partying around the world. Plenty of more important things around that the money could be spent on and if there aren't it would do Australian taxpayers a lot of good to pay less tax.



FormulaNova
WA, 15090 posts
21 May 2012 7:47PM
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Mobydisc said...

If someone wants to compete at the Olympics why can't they just stump up their own cash and compete? It annoys me that taxpayer money goes towards paying for someone's jolly jaunt and partying around the world. Plenty of more important things around that the money could be spent on and if there aren't it would do Australian taxpayers a lot of good to pay less tax.



I sort of partially agree, but sometimes its good to have a bit of nationalistic spirit, and it would be a pretty boring country if we didn't pay for athletes to go.

Maybe pay for the politicians to take part in the shooting events?

Victor B
WA, 130 posts
21 May 2012 9:54PM
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Mobydisc said...

If someone wants to compete at the Olympics why can't they just stump up their own cash and compete? It annoys me that taxpayer money goes towards paying for someone's jolly jaunt and partying around the world. Plenty of more important things around that the money could be spent on and if there aren't it would do Australian taxpayers a lot of good to pay less tax.






Doesn't matter now...after 2012 no windsurfing anyway.

Besides that, have a go if you're not happy. I wouldn't call Olympic level training and commitment a party. Would rather see a sporting representative be funded to compete at world events and inspire others to have a go, than give money to someone who sits on the lounge all day doing f... all.

da vecta
QLD, 2515 posts
23 May 2012 10:15AM
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Can I just clarify this: we can send a mens competitor in the RSX but we are not going to?

or, is a mens competitor still to be decided/selected?

Paul Kelf
WA, 678 posts
23 May 2012 11:08AM
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Victor B said...

Mobydisc said...

If someone wants to compete at the Olympics why can't they just stump up their own cash and compete? It annoys me that taxpayer money goes towards paying for someone's jolly jaunt and partying around the world. Plenty of more important things around that the money could be spent on and if there aren't it would do Australian taxpayers a lot of good to pay less tax.






Doesn't matter now...after 2012 no windsurfing anyway.

Besides that, have a go if you're not happy. I wouldn't call Olympic level training and commitment a party. Would rather see a sporting representative be funded to compete at world events and inspire others to have a go, than give money to someone who sits on the lounge all day doing f... all.


I know the type you are talking about, playing puter games shooting kids for enjoyment

SeanAUS120
QLD, 769 posts
23 May 2012 7:25PM
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da vecta said...

Can I just clarify this: we can send a mens competitor in the RSX but we are not going to?

or, is a mens competitor still to be decided/selected?


Yes, Australia has qualified for a spot for Men's Windsurfing in London, however no male has made the 'qualifying standard' asked by Yaching Australia. From memory in 2008 we were the only country who didn't send a rep despite qualifying? (correct me if I'm wrong).

There was a bit of momentum a short while ago behind the concept of sending someone who isn't up to the standard in order to 'give them Olympic experience' to better prepare them for Rio 2016... however with no windsurfing in 2016, I doubt they will.

Victor B
WA, 130 posts
23 May 2012 8:57PM
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Paul Kelf said...

Victor B said...

Mobydisc said...

If someone wants to compete at the Olympics why can't they just stump up their own cash and compete? It annoys me that taxpayer money goes towards paying for someone's jolly jaunt and partying around the world. Plenty of more important things around that the money could be spent on and if there aren't it would do Australian taxpayers a lot of good to pay less tax.






Doesn't matter now...after 2012 no windsurfing anyway.

Besides that, have a go if you're not happy. I wouldn't call Olympic level training and commitment a party. Would rather see a sporting representative be funded to compete at world events and inspire others to have a go, than give money to someone who sits on the lounge all day doing f... all.


I know the type you are talking about, playing puter games shooting kids for enjoyment

Funny you should mention that...

They're not so bad...so I red thumbed you!

da vecta
QLD, 2515 posts
24 May 2012 10:31AM
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SeanAUS120 said...

da vecta said...

Can I just clarify this: we can send a mens competitor in the RSX but we are not going to?

or, is a mens competitor still to be decided/selected?


Yes, Australia has qualified for a spot for Men's Windsurfing in London, however no male has made the 'qualifying standard' asked by Yaching Australia. From memory in 2008 we were the only country who didn't send a rep despite qualifying? (correct me if I'm wrong).

There was a bit of momentum a short while ago behind the concept of sending someone who isn't up to the standard in order to 'give them Olympic experience' to better prepare them for Rio 2016... however with no windsurfing in 2016, I doubt they will.


I think this is totally inexcusable. Aren't the decision makers put there to support the athletes? An Australian representative deserves to go and I hope it is Luke.
It could alternatively be argued that, as this could well be the last RSX Olympics, it presents a 'special circumstance' to send a mens RXS competitor.

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
24 May 2012 11:48AM
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What has the Old One Design Windsurfer and windsurfing in the Olympics Have in common

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
24 May 2012 11:51AM
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All the Aust windsurfing Reps in the Olympics Learnt to Windsurf and race on One design Equipment

cammd
QLD, 4331 posts
4 Jun 2012 10:31AM
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Skandia Sail for Gold starts today in Weymouth, we have to sailors competing. Jessica Crisp who placed second in the Delta LLoyd. Well done looking very competitive for the Olympics.

Luke Baille last four placings 44th in Perth, 58th in Cadiz, 26th in France and 24th in Holland. His results are steadily improving. Australia has qualified for the Olympics in Mens RSX we should be sending a rep. I will send an email to YA asking why we aren't sending a rep, cant be the cost as I,m sure the CEO of YA plus hangers on will be attending the Olympics in first class 5 star eat at restaurants 3 times a day style. Perhaps if they forgo a first class ticket to London the money can be used to fund an Athlete who has been training and campaigning for years.

KRUZA
QLD, 68 posts
4 Jun 2012 12:33PM
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I agree with with cammd. Are we throwing away a spot which we have qualified for and a chance to fly the Australian flag on a sail.
We must be a poor country when we can't afford to send the best and send a message to all, that there is a chance to represent your country.
This is the only Olympic sailing class where we are not prepared to send a rep.
Yachting Australia really need to take a good look at themselves and ask did they really put as much help as they could to the RS:X class and the sport of sailboarding.
If they put the same effort in for kites they will be in the same position in 4 years time.
Why would anyone want to go down that road again.

YA's constitution Rule 2.1 "To promote and administer the sport of yachting in all it's branches".

JustinL
NSW, 468 posts
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4 Jun 2012 10:54PM
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www.sail-world.com/USA

Mens RSX event will have no Australian.

seanhogan
QLD, 3424 posts
5 Jun 2012 11:18PM
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Who's in ? for France it's the world champion Bontemps, and just look at his training partner in Weymouth :





KRUZA
QLD, 68 posts
7 Jun 2012 11:18AM
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Nah, if he sailed for Australia he wouldn't be going either!!!!

swoosh
QLD, 1929 posts
15 Jun 2012 9:56AM
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somewhat relevant news article i just read..

www.news.com.au/national/one-final-hurdle-shes-qualified-for-the-games-but-australia-doesnt-want-her/news-story/be8c52b52b917a54589ccfb683dc47d9

seems like a lot of public support to get athletes who qualify to the games... wonder why there isn't an article about luke.

JayBee
NSW, 714 posts
15 Jun 2012 11:30AM
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swoosh said...

somewhat relevant news article i just read..

www.news.com.au/national/one-final-hurdle-shes-qualified-for-the-games-but-australia-doesnt-want-her/news-story/be8c52b52b917a54589ccfb683dc47d9

seems like a lot of public support to get athletes who qualify to the games... wonder why there isn't an article about luke.


Because athletics is mainstream and windsurfing is not.
Because athletics is considered accessible and windsurfing is considered elitist.
Because this girl is pretty and Luke is not a good looking girl.
Because Yachting Australia doesnt control Athletics in Australia.
Because some sports have not forgotten that competing trumps winning.

JB

sick_em_rex
NSW, 1600 posts
15 Jun 2012 3:09PM
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Maybe Luke should represent England at the Olympics. After all, if they could send Eddie the Eagle to the winter Olympics when he had NO hope of medalling why wouldn't they send Luke? (BTW, I'm not insinuating Luke might not medal) Or maybe he could compete for Equatorial Guinea and Eric the Eel could be his training partner.......
John I reckon you have it spot on mate. There is no balance with selection criteria and unfortunately the Olympics have fast become a joke.

JBFletch
QLD, 1287 posts
18 Jun 2012 2:57PM
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word is because kiting has taken over for RIO, theres no need to send them this year an no need to keep funding RSX training.

kinda sad, I'm and kiter and windsurfer.... Kite course racing is ****.

choco
SA, 4177 posts
18 Jun 2012 2:51PM
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swoosh said...

somewhat relevant news article i just read..

www.news.com.au/national/one-final-hurdle-shes-qualified-for-the-games-but-australia-doesnt-want-her/news-story/be8c52b52b917a54589ccfb683dc47d9

seems like a lot of public support to get athletes who qualify to the games... wonder why there isn't an article about luke.


because windsurfing is the "invisible" sport even if an aussie won gold prob get 2sec coverage, now if it was swimming they would want to know which way the swimmers shave their legs...upstroke or downstroke?



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