What difference would you expect with the performance of the carbon versions of these two boards for light wind free ride use? If they were the same price which would you choose if sole aim is to plane as early as possible in light wind? (75kg sailor)

Stat numbers are:
Volume
Length
Width
Tail Width
Thickness

Cheers for helpful opinions or experience.

Two close to say. Its a overkill l think having two boards that close in specs.l rembember buying a sail last year either the 8.7 or 8.8. I chose the 8.7 because it was superceded & selling for half the price.to answer your Question the 151 for sure.

For your weight 151. you won't need more. You could get away with something even a bit smaller. I'm 73kg and my big board is 130 but more importantly it's 85 wide.
I've had a go on a 151 carve and for my size it is big.

Orange Whip, what are your aspirations for the board- sail size and wind strength to plane?

I ask as I'm 75 kilos and have a 111 Carve as my light wind board. With a 7.4 free-ride sail, 12 knots is all that's needed. Wind range 12-20 knots, sporty and surprisingly fast.

151 and 161 are really big boards for your weight. Maybe all you need is the 121 or perhaps 131? Smaller sizes will be a bit more exciting on the water.

If we consider that a JP SLW is around the 160+ litre mark and 1m wide then surely the bigger volume and wider board is the correct choice and a lightweight carbon fibre construction is the go

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Orange Whip said..

What difference would you expect with the performance of the carbon versions of these two boards for light wind free ride use? If they were the same price which would you choose if sole aim is to plane as early as possible in light wind? (75kg sailor)

Stat numbers are:
Volume
Length
Width
Tail Width
Thickness

Cheers for helpful opinions or experience.

To help people what do you classify as light wind and how consistent is it?

At your weight, it won't make any difference. Hence go for the 151, it is thinner and will be easier to handle once the wind goes up.
Key is from my point of view:
Volume: keeps you floating when you are not moving or just barely moving, won't affect you with your weight
Length: important for non planning performance and packaing in the car, here no difference for you
Width: that is key for the early planning, almost no difference only 0.5 cm which you won't recognize
Tail Width: that gives you the power once planning and keeps you planning through the lulls, no difference here
Thickness: more thickness generally make control more difficult
The bottom shape and fin is all the same, which is also key for early planning, hence go with the 151 board, easy

~Shinobi

Is a carve the best choice if looking for early planing?

Amongst my mates the specialist lightwind boards plus the big jpmagic ride 152, naish TITAN 130, big Slalom boards and older style GO's all get going and stay more consistantly on the plane than the carves

Well I'm heavily Starboard biased, but from my honest point of view, they do provide oiutstanding value for the money.
The construction is great, design innovative and very accessible.
If the carve provides you with the earliest planning ability?
Yes and No.
It all depends on your setup, skills and spot.
If you would like to go to the lightwind limits, go Formula with a 12m2 sail but don't expect it to be very fun without the right skill set
the next easier accessible option is the Ultrasonic, if you are doing solid jibes you could consider this as well.
the future is a great blend of performance with ease of use, worth if you are want to be fast yet not stressed.
~Shinobi

Im 75KG. My light wind board is a starboard AtomIQ 120Litre. 80 cm wide. Not carbon
I don't need any more float than this even if the wind drops away and i have to slog.
I use an 8.1 m Severne turbo GT, and uphauling is easy if required. It planes in 11-12 knots if the wind is consistent, and you pump the sail effectively. (still working on that skill)
I also have the 110Litre AtomIQ 74.5cm wide in carbon and would say it feels better to sail being lighter and stiffer but is way more prone to dents and scratches.
They both plane very early and i sometimes feel as if the smaller lighter carbon board 110 litre planes as early as the 120liter even with a smaller sail.
There is a difference of 5.5cm in width between the two.
I dont think you need 151 Litres at 75KG

The big difference I have seen with Jeff's SLW board compared to my large freeride board is that it seems to stay planing longer when the wind is NOT consistent. The down side of the SLW is that it doesn't handle the bumps anywhere near as well as the freeride board will handle them. I have found that my large freeride board is more than acceptable as the one board quiver that can handle most conditions you can throw at it but do nothing perfectly. I'm still a bit of a rookie so this is OK for me, but if you're really keen on your sailing and are happy to have more boards, then a SLW is hard to beat as that extra board in the shed.

great looking boards ...151 .and if the same price ...carbon for sure .

i use to have a 150 litre as my light wind board ,due to the extra width in the new boards it has been replaced by
a 130 Titan @ 85 wide .Im 95 kgs .very early planer.with my 8.5 .12-15 knot needed with my weight.


but if you are looking to do very very light air the extra foam will help pop you on the plane ,
keep in mind if it hits 15-18 knots when your out there ,with your weight ,you wish you had a 130.

depends on what range of wind and size sails you have .if you got the 151 and you have a 8.5 with your weight ....you will plane in 11-13 knots I reckon.

Its sound like you are a pretty advanced sailor ,in your case i would go smaller ,you may get more use out of the board and not think of it as a big pig.

I'm surprised the dimensions are so close - the difference will be almost unnoticeable hence gravitate smaller. I formerly had a 144L carve as a starter board and wish I never sold it. If resale is a consideration 150L is a nice board for heavier dudes starting out (post lessons), but 140L for medium weight (75kg). Now own Futura 117 which is very fast on to the plane - better than carve and wider but requires marginally better strap skills (getting in quick). If true light wind is the goal and you have other boards, look at the ultrasonic or similar. If you like speed it's worth throwing the 137 Futura into the mix also (main difference is acceleration on to the plane whereas Carve is more progressive / smooth but lower average speed). As a free rider don't be scared of racer free ride boards as i find the Futura easier to sail than the Carve other than for getting in the straps but that's minor.

I'm just an average sailor. I have a 121 (72ish wide) Carve I use with a 6.7 and 7.7. I was considering a bigger Carve as an alternate to a SLW or Formula board for < 12 knots with an 8.7m+. The 251 length is appealing and significantly longer than a SLW or Formula at 230-235. Not sure that the extra length assists with earlier planing but certainly would help with stability I reckon.

width helps with early planing
it is a hindrance when schlogging or running through chop
for me as a heavyweight, 10 knots is my wind minimum, but on a Mistral Equipe XR carbon longboard
a thinner board glides better in winds where one cannot plane readily
around 12 knots I start looking at my JP SLW92
lighter people like yourself @ 78 kilos have MANY more choices
the Carve 121 is supposed to be able to handle an 8-oh
try it with a 48 cm fin with a sail in the 8.x range ??

here is a young lad on a BIC Techno Formula (similiar to SLW or SB US) with a 7.8 in 10 knots

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jirvin4505 said..
Is a carve the best choice if looking for early planing?

Amongst my mates the specialist lightwind boards plus the big jpmagic ride 152, naish TITAN 130, big Slalom boards and older style GO's all get going and stay more consistantly on the plane than the carves

But you won't sell me your SLW Jeff. I am at the front of the queue though, right?

Interesting topic. I have a 121L JP Slalom and it feels like an aircraft carrier when I'm on it. I use this with a 7.8m in 12 knots and have no problem getting it up and going at 78kg. This will be totally dependent on exactly how strong that 12 knots is of course. If it's up to 12 then yes a larger board helps you pop on the plane quicker but 12+ you shouldn't need any larger than your current board. That's my 2 cents and here is a video of a very marginal day.
Cheers
Marty

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Orange Whip said..

jirvin4505 said..
Is a carve the best choice if looking for early planing?

Amongst my mates the specialist lightwind boards plus the big jpmagic ride 152, naish TITAN 130, big Slalom boards and older style GO's all get going and stay more consistantly on the plane than the carves

But you won't sell me your SLW Jeff. I am at the front of the queue though, right?

Yes there appears to be a waiting list - I don't know why??

my mate just bought a naish Titan 130 and he gets going as quick or quicker than me 90+kg 8.5 retro sail

www.naishsails.com/product/titan-130

Not much difference between me and john pad on his JP magic ride 153 hrs similar weights 90++kg

im always staggered at my mate 70+kg on his isonic 137 with a 7.5 Ezzy zephyr sail - gets going while I'm still on a longboard

adam on his old Go165 ~90kg also gets going at a similar time usually on a smaller sail

Plus my recent experience with a 85wx233 long 133l Tabou manta slalom and an old 80w x240l f2 SX 133l slalom also suggests not a lot of difference in starting speed

adam at ~90kg can get manta slalom going earlier than me on the jpslw with a bigger sail

I stick with the jpslw in marginal winds as i suck at a lot of things windsurfing including uphauling - the jpslw is a very comfortable board for my 100kg if there isn't enough wind for waterstart

Amongst my group there are a variety of carves - they get used when the wind is well past marginal and the light wind options have been packed away

cheers Jeff

Marty, the OCD engineering part of me is flipping out at there being no such thing as a strong or weak 12kn. However, you've hit the nail on the head and described exactly what Jeff and myself have found. When the wind is light and inconsistent and the sea state is quite calm, a dedicated SLW style board really shines. If the wind is consistent and you can rig an appropriately sized sail, then you can make a large freeride or slalom board work quite well. For example, Bones sails with us and has an old 168L Starboard Freeformula that works very well in consistent wind, but he's keeping an eye out for a SLW now for those inconsistent light wind days. Even though I bought a WindSUP for light wind days, I'm just starting to experiment with using a 10m scary size sail on my 154L Magic Ride and it seems to go ok, but it still doesn't cope with the holes like Jeff's and The Pope's SLW boards seem to.

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jirvin4505 said..
Is a carve the best choice if looking for early planing?

Amongst my mates the specialist lightwind boards plus the big jpmagic ride 152, naish TITAN 130, big Slalom boards and older style GO's all get going and stay more consistantly on the plane than the carves

Suppose the other question is what size sail do you want to use to get your light wind choice going?

More data points
my mate 60kg on bic techno 283 69wide gets going while I'm still on longboards. He uses old 7.5 sail

my mate richard gets going early on a large bic 160? with 8.5 Ezzy sail he is 86kg

so I'm probably suggesting lots of lightwind options...
Match board with fin and appropriate horsepower.

Cheets Jeff

Maybe this board??
8-20kts




www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Windsurfing-Boards/~vqt28/2014-Starboard-Isonic-Wide-117-117-litres.aspx?_page=1&search=2eFvHElczvBOMXXc6Z1OMw%3D%3D

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Paddles B'mere said..
Marty, the OCD engineering part of me is flipping out at there being no such thing as a strong or weak 12kn. However, you've hit the nail on the head and described exactly what Jeff and myself have found. When the wind is light and inconsistent and the sea state is quite calm, a dedicated SLW style board really shines. If the wind is consistent and you can rig an appropriately sized sail, then you can make a large freeride or slalom board work quite well. For example, Bones sails with us and has an old 168L Starboard Freeformula that works very well in consistent wind, but he's keeping an eye out for a SLW now for those inconsistent light wind days. Even though I bought a WindSUP for light wind days, I'm just starting to experiment with using a 10m scary size sail on my 154L Magic Ride and it seems to go ok, but it still doesn't cope with the holes like Jeff's and The Pope's SLW boards seem to.

Figured you would know what I mean. The wind at the lower end of the scale is far more important than when strong. A simple 2 knot difference at 12 has far more effect than at 25. I can relate to what you are talking about. At 10-12 knots in my video I'm powered up and did 28 knots speed however when I went to Bribie in up to 10 knots on same gear I didn't plane once in an hour. Bryn on his 8.6 and Formula board was cruising along in the same conditions so that extra width helps. I have wanted a JP SLW for years to use in up to 12 knots. So in my experience in marginal conditions it's not so much the volume but width you are chasing. Hope this helps somehow.

PS. I'm itching to try your spots at some stage to see what they are like.

Gordon, why don't you give Rodney's old starboard formula a go.? 155 litres, 85 wide and still quite light. It is a lot more forgiving than the modern formulas, a bit of nose at 270 long so can be uphauled and tacked.
It would give you an idea of planing limits before you commit to something that wide. The limit for me is the 450 fin which doesn't quite have the lift for 7.5m+ sail size
Troy

^ Hey Troy, I didn't know Rodney had a formula, or is that the one that you were using for a while there? Yep, I would certainly be keen to try it, I've never had the opportunity to try one.

@ Marty, well you know where we are next time you're North. Someone usually posts on the Sandstone thread where we are sailing.

Good on ya! I just bought the 2014 carve (carbon) 161L. But I weigh closer to 100kg (gym life). The difference between those models are thickness for added volume. Go with 151L for your weight I say, but the difference is likely minuscule.

^ Looks the goods, be keen to hear your thoughts after you give it a work out.