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One Design Rig?

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Created by Dazee > 9 months ago, 20 Nov 2012
Dazee
6 posts
20 Nov 2012 5:33AM
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Hello Everyone

First post here, but I have been following for a little while.

As some people do, I am planning on making a comeback to windsurfing after a 20 year retirement. I started (and stopped when I moved out of home) sailing a 'Bic Funboard' that my dad brought home one day, which I still refer to as one of the best days of my life - I was 14 at the time. I now have three children and have oh so fond memories of being towed through the water by my dad, and would love to teach my kids the joys of windsurfing.

I have boon trawling through EBay, and have almost bought a couple of cheap old things, but for whatever reason have not committed.

Last weekend, a friend of mine told me that she has an old 'One Design' under her house that she used to sail in state titles etc, and that I was welcome to use it. The problem is, there is no sail, so hence lies my questions:

1. Does anyone have/know of any sails that would suit a 'One Design' setup circa '92? I don't have a lot of money to spend, but would love to keep the sail true to the original board. From the research that I have done, the 'Wally' looks like a classic, and will suit my (and my families) needs well.

2. Can I buy any brand sail on EBay and use it successfully with the 'One Design'?

To place this in context, we live in the Blue Mountains, which does not present many sailing opportunities, BUT we do do regular trips to 7 Mile and Kioloa. I cant spend another summer down there without a means of getting on the water!

Thanks in advance for your feedback!

Dan

fjdoug
ACT, 548 posts
20 Nov 2012 10:16AM
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hi Dan, you can still buy new wally sails, i think they are about $600.
any old floppy sail from that era should work. you will need to find one with smaller dimensions to the mast and boom you have as the wally has a smaller diameter mast foot than most and finding an extension to suit might be tricky.
i think Neil at Barracuda sails makes training/junior sails for wally's, might be worth a look.

Chris 249
NSW, 3531 posts
20 Nov 2012 1:29PM
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As Doug says, One Design sails are still available from Windgenuity - $475 last time I looked.

The Barracouta kid's rigs (4.5m is the best size) work brilliantly on One Designs. They are extremely light (1.5kg) and powerful - Jess Crisp has been known to beat former Olympians who are using full-size rigs!

I've sailed a One Design on Wentworth Falls lake, just for the hell of it. It wasn't too bad at all - back in the '60s and '70s there was quite a good sailing club there, believe it or not, and in old mags I have pics of regattas with 40+ boats racing.

Dazee
6 posts
20 Nov 2012 1:32PM
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Hi Chris and Doug

Thanks for the feedback!

When I moved up here in the early 90's a friend suggested windsurfing on Wentworth Falls Lake, but it has been so polluted over the last 15 years, I never considered it an option. We swam in it for the first time a couple of years ago when the 'bad bugs' dropped below an acceptable level - word got out that it was safe... I think it all depends on how many ducks are living on the lake at the time. I know that people sail on some of the power station lakes to the west so might look into that in the future.

As for the sail, it is nice to know that they are still being made. I was hoping to pick up a second hand one though, so will keep my eyes peeled and pounce when one comes up, hopefully before our annual summer holiday!

Cheers,

Dan

AyreForce1
NSW, 339 posts
23 Nov 2012 12:26AM
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New sails & parts are available from web@windgenuity.com.au
www.windgenuity.com.au/?option=com_content&view=article&id=220&Itemid=190
Windgenuity might also have some older 'production rejects' that they might sell off at a reasonable price. Alternatively you could place a 'WANTED' advert in Seabreeze's Buy & Sell; include your mast & boom lengths to help ensure a good match.

Dazee
6 posts
4 Dec 2012 4:47AM
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Hi Everyone

I got in touch with Windgenuity and was able to pick up a sail for a great price! I am looking forward to giving it a blast on Lake Macquarie this weekend. Thanks for the heads up on that one!

All the best,

Dan

powersloshin
NSW, 1844 posts
4 Dec 2012 8:31AM
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Dan, I have a 6.5 sail in good shape, old style with tight leach, it fits on any 460 mast, one piece fiberglass or new carbon ones. You can have it for free , just send me a message, I live in Guildford south of Parramatta.
For your other question yes, you can use new style sails with longboards, they are easier to sail in gusty winds, but you will have to buy the correct mast.

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
4 Dec 2012 10:22AM
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Hope you got a modern mast with the OD modern rig, as well as a fitting that screws into the mast well if it's an 80s OD board... I was gonna answer that any old sail (Bic, Mistral) fit the old mast as well.

I have a couple of real old 3-sided (!) Dacrons, a bit baggy but with nice bright colours ODs used to have in Oz at the time pre-Mylar stuff. Will bring one next time I'm in town (2-3 months it seems).

Cheers and happy return.

deejay8204
QLD, 557 posts
4 Dec 2012 5:10PM
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powersloshin said...

For your other question yes, you can use new style sails with longboards, they are easier to sail in gusty winds, but you will have to buy the correct mast.


I have just used a modern 4m2 sail with a 1 piece mast on my old Wayler (12ft) perfectly fine, was a bit tight to down haul but sailed nicely. Found it easier to tack and gybe with the modern sail on the old Wayler but about the same in a straight line as the old sails. That was on choppy water up to half metre swell.

Hold on tight though as using the modern sails do tend to catch the wind a lot easier. Took a bit to get used to but enjoyed the session more with the modern on.

If you come to Brisbane I would love to catch up for a sail.

Dazee
6 posts
4 Dec 2012 7:04PM
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pierrec45 said...
Hope you got a modern mast with the OD modern rig, as well as a fitting that screws into the mast well if it's an 80s OD board... I was gonna answer that any old sail (Bic, Mistral) fit the old mast as well.


Well to tell you the truth, I am not sure if it is a modern One Design rig - I think that the sail I got is an old style (it has 3 battens) - cant tell you much more at this stage. I am going to head to Marmong Point at Lake Macquarie on Saturday afternoon so i am hoping that there are a few club people there who can offer advice. Im really looking forward to it! Ill post some pics if there is anything worth sharing...

Thanks again everyone,

Dan

fjdoug
ACT, 548 posts
4 Dec 2012 10:50PM
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hi Dan, i may be stating the obvious here; have you tried rigging the sail on your mast and boom? might be worth giving it a trial run before you drive hours to lake mac.

Dazee
6 posts
5 Dec 2012 7:22AM
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Hi

Yes, I am doing that this afternoon. Although it is just like me to NOT do it and get there to find it doesn't go together...

Cheers,

Dan

deejay8204
QLD, 557 posts
5 Dec 2012 10:08AM
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Dazee said...
Hi

Yes, I am doing that this afternoon. Although it is just like me to NOT do it and get there to find it doesn't go together...

Cheers,

Dan


I was told some advice a few weeks ago to make sure you out-haul before down-haul. I found it did help to set the sail up correctly. Good luck and have fun on the weekend

jamesf
NSW, 1002 posts
5 Dec 2012 11:27AM
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Dazee said...
Hi

Yes, I am doing that this afternoon. Although it is just like me to NOT do it and get there to find it doesn't go together...

Cheers,

Dan


Hey Dan, at Marmong we have quite a few old wallies in the shed, so if you are missing a piece its pretty likely we will have something that will work.

There should be people at the club from about 1pm onwards. I'm sure everyone will be happy to help you out and give you plenty of "advice" which may or may not be helpful!

Cheers
James

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
6 Dec 2012 1:24AM
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deejay8204 said...
Dazee said...
Hi

Yes, I am doing that this afternoon. Although it is just like me to NOT do it and get there to find it doesn't go together...

Cheers,

Dan


I was told some advice a few weeks ago to make sure you out-haul before down-haul. I found it did help to set the sail up correctly. Good luck and have fun on the weekend

In the old days, the sayin' went: out-down-out-down.

That is, start with the outhaul, fair but not too tight. This gives a one-piece mast the initial bend.
Then down fairly tight, using a loop for leverage. Then outhaul again - final real hard pull.

Finally, downhaul again, as the last outhaul makes the mast "shorter", which allows for more downhaul.

Have fun anyhow !

deejay8204
QLD, 557 posts
6 Dec 2012 7:29AM
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pierrec45 said...
deejay8204 said...
Dazee said...
Hi

Yes, I am doing that this afternoon. Although it is just like me to NOT do it and get there to find it doesn't go together...

Cheers,

Dan


I was told some advice a few weeks ago to make sure you out-haul before down-haul. I found it did help to set the sail up correctly. Good luck and have fun on the weekend

In the old days, the sayin' went: out-down-out-down.

That is, start with the outhaul, fair but not too tight. This gives a one-piece mast the initial bend.
Then down fairly tight, using a loop for leverage. Then outhaul again - final real hard pull.

Finally, downhaul again, as the last outhaul makes the mast "shorter", which allows for more downhaul.

Have fun anyhow !



That's sounds better, I found it not easy to down haul the modern sails, but much easier to use once set up. Thanks pierrec45, makes more sense now.



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