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Kiting,a better option in ultra light wind

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Created by petermac33 > 9 months ago, 1 Apr 2013
petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
1 Apr 2013 6:16AM
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Thinking about buying a kite for the 5-10 knot days.

Kiter at Melville was planing 90 percent of the time on Sunday in 5-10 knots!

Guessing it was a 12m,board looked wide for a kite guessing 45cm.

Anyway, these things plane in next to nothing!

Only for less than 10 knots though as my formula board is great to sail when wind hits 10 knots.

FormulaNova
WA, 15090 posts
1 Apr 2013 7:28AM
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Sounds like a good idea.

Is 5 knots enough to keep the kite in the air?

GalahOnTheBay
NSW, 4188 posts
1 Apr 2013 10:50AM
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A serious topic about kites in the windsurf forums?

FormulaNova said...
Sounds like a good idea.

Is 5 knots enough to keep the kite in the air?


Enough to fly a kite, but not enough to sail with and certainly not enough to relaunch it if it lands in the water.

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
1 Apr 2013 11:10AM
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^^^^Oh how the times have changed.
There are way more kite related topics over here than the kite forum, I guess more windsurfers are seeing kiting as a good alternative for the ,20knot and under days.

Macroscien
QLD, 6808 posts
1 Apr 2013 10:48AM
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lotofwind said...
^^^^Oh how the times have changed.
There are way more kite related topics over here than the kite forum, I guess more windsurfers are seeing kiting as a good alternative for the ,20knot and under days.


Reverse that and kiter should look for alternative at winds above 25 ktn.
Instead of staying at home due to too strong winds they still could enjoy water by switching to windsurfing

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
1 Apr 2013 11:51AM
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Or a smaller kite

FormulaNova
WA, 15090 posts
1 Apr 2013 10:44AM
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lotofwind said...
^^^^Oh how the times have changed.
There are way more kite related topics over here than the kite forum, I guess more windsurfers are seeing kiting as a good alternative for the ,20knot and under days.



What do you guys talk about over there then? Coloured boardshorts?

20knots? There you guys go again, seeing 10 knots and calling it 20...

jh2703
NSW, 1225 posts
1 Apr 2013 1:52PM
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5 knots.....I thinks that's a bit of a stretch. We're wave sailing before any kites even think about launching. I've witnesses kite dropping from the sky while we are catching waves, Flat water is another story...I wouldn't bother, go surf or SUP if it's that light.

cammd
QLD, 4331 posts
1 Apr 2013 2:01PM
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I'm at sail Brisbane now at 5 knots the big 17mtr kites were dropping from the sky. Talking to the guys here they need a steady 6 knots taken at top and bottom marks from a drifting boat in order to race. They go pretty good in light wind but so does a formula. I sailed yesterday on my formula with an 11.0 with a kite racer beside me on a 17mtr kite in less then 10 knots. When we both ran into a hole I dropped off the plane and his kite dropped from the sky. I was planing again well before he managed to relaunch from the water. I don't think the kites have much of an advantage maybe 1 or 2 knots are best and then if the wind drops your swimming.

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
1 Apr 2013 2:48PM
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Depends upon where you sail.
At my local kites are planing around while we are putting our gear away.
The other day I came in because I couldn't get going with the 8M on my SB free formula 198L, even the lightweights came in. Some euro guy asked to help launch his 17M kite, he was blasting around doing dangly bits in the air and he didn't have to worry about the tide going out.
I would really have been surprised if I could have got going with even an 11M.
I look in the trees and can see there is still wind sometimes, it's just up high where the kites go.

decrepit
WA, 12802 posts
1 Apr 2013 4:01PM
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I think you've hit it there buddy, depends how much wind shear there is. In an open situation with no waves, there's not much wind shear, and formula gear is about the same as a big kite. But if there's a lot of ground obstruction or big waves, then the kites will go better.

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
1 Apr 2013 5:31PM
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An important consideration is water depth, a proper formula fin is huge while a kite can sail in absurdly shallow water.
And don't forget costs, a complete formula kit will cost thousands more than a kite.
Priced 520 or 550 masts, giant carbon booms and fins lately?

Carantoc
WA, 7194 posts
1 Apr 2013 5:41PM
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Why is everyone discouraging pm33 ?

I think it is a great idea. pm33 - you should get a kite just for those conditions.

By the way did you know there is a kiter forum - and did you know the kiters ALL believe WTC 7 burnt to the ground ? Best get over there and put them right. Go on, off you go.

terminal
1421 posts
1 Apr 2013 5:49PM
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At the bottom end under 10 knots (or 14 knots if you dont like big windsurf gear) there is a good argument for having one kite and one kiteboard (or maybe two). Its cheaper and more convenient than very big windsurf gear, but doesn't cope if the wind lulls below about 5 or 6 knots.

The exception is in good waves in 12 knots or less when the windsurfer is better.

If you want to be able to paddle in if the wind drops, you could go raceboard (70cm wide) and 17m/18m kite. This gear is more difficult to use and the fins might be 44cm long.

Or you could go with a big twintip which is easier to learn on but doesn't go in as low a wind as a raceboard.

One vid of raceboards in 7 to 11 knots (In race 6 only 2 of the 15 women racing completed the course when the wind dropped.) and one vid of a twintip and a 21m ram air kite.



stamp
QLD, 2795 posts
1 Apr 2013 8:01PM
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sorry, but who the hell wants to do any wind related sport in less than 10 knots?

you're only mowing the lawn whichever discipline you choose.

go for a surf or paddle or learn to do something similar where you're pleased there is no wind instead of being frustrated at the lack of it...

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
1 Apr 2013 8:19PM
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Save your money. Just get a small sailing boat and enjoy quiet times on the water. Cruise about, take some lunch, explore, have fun, restore your soul.

terminal
1421 posts
1 Apr 2013 6:30PM
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Or go for a swim and save even more money.

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
1 Apr 2013 9:32PM
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terminal said...
At the bottom end under 10 knots (or 14 knots if you dont like big windsurf gear) there is a good argument for having one kite and one kiteboard (or maybe two). Its cheaper and more convenient than very big windsurf gear, but doesn't cope if the wind lulls below about 5 or 6 knots.

The exception is in good waves in 12 knots or less when the windsurfer is better.

If you want to be able to paddle in if the wind drops, you could go raceboard (70cm wide) and 17m/18m kite. This gear is more difficult to use and the fins might be 44cm long.

Or you could go with a big twintip which is easier to learn on but doesn't go in as low a wind as a raceboard.

One vid of raceboards in 7 to 11 knots (In race 6 only 2 of the 15 women racing completed the course when the wind dropped.) and one vid of a twintip and a 21m ram air kite.






WOW, awsome vids, thanks for sharing them, not a white cap insight and flying along nicely powered up.
It takes alot of skill and years of practise to kite in ultra low winds like in thoughs vids. That might interest the windsurfers, as they tend to like the challenge in their sport and enjoy it more if it takes years of practise to perfect it.

DaniS
91 posts
1 Apr 2013 6:39PM
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Maybe you should go fishing!

Mark _australia
WA, 23526 posts
1 Apr 2013 6:53PM
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5 - 10 is a big range.
5kn - no
10kn - maybe yes, but the difference between kite and formula would surely be moot - either will get going well in 10kn.

Maybe a wavesailors perspective but
5-15kn offshore = surf
5-15kn sideshore = WS rig on a SUP
15kn plus = wavesail (maybe a grovel out, but nice glassy waves)

can't imagine anyone wanting to do anything in 5kn. That is very bloody light.

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
1 Apr 2013 10:07PM
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Yep, 5kn is surfing or offshore fishing time. See Markie, we can agree, no need to not play nice. Good to see you following my example of not trolling other wind sports. Good for you, thumbs up.
They are called WIND sports for a reason. Not because of the hot air past on forums.

gavnwend
WA, 1373 posts
1 Apr 2013 7:12PM
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Why bother!

jh2703
NSW, 1225 posts
1 Apr 2013 10:13PM
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A sub 15 knot day for me, Had there been swell I would have had a ball...Actually I did have fun. I got out well before the kiters and stayed long after. Apologies as I have posted it before but I thought with 2 kite vids in our forum I needed to counteract what was happening before someone took up knitting oops kiting as an option for light wind days.

terminal
1421 posts
1 Apr 2013 8:07PM
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OK a windsurf video to show where windsurfers rule in light winds (from 0:53 onwards). Big powerful waves and very offshore light wind. You can see its light by the windsurfer at 3:18.

CJW
NSW, 1731 posts
1 Apr 2013 11:09PM
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I think realistically kiters', at least in the waves, have the same issue that we do it's just that their low end is probably 5kts less. They suffer the same issue, "using a big kite feels crap, they turn slow etc etc" it's the same with us and larger wave sails; it's just not as fun so most don't even bother.

The difference is that I think at around 15kts kiters' are starting to shred waves on 10m kites, which seems the standard 'big' size wave kite here these days, maybe a 12. For us, even light weights like myself, it's 18-20kts before you are really well powered to jump/loop going out etc and generally bawse spec stuff

There are times when it's 15kts and I'm bogging out and I see the kiters charging out that i'm somewhat jealous and also in small conditions when it's hard to generate the wave power on a windsurfer and they can but I'm yet to relent. And to be honest I think now days the window between the two is pretty small, particularly for someone light like myself.

As for kiting/windsurfing in 5-10kts, only people who are a bit crazy do that. Like said above get a boat

Gestalt
QLD, 14722 posts
1 Apr 2013 11:21PM
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i love a good 5-10 knot cruise on a windsurfer! love a 50 knot cruise also.

jsnfok
WA, 899 posts
1 Apr 2013 9:28PM
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petermac33 said...

Thinking about buying a kite for the 5-10 knot days.

Kiter at Melville was planing 90 percent of the time on Sunday in 5-10 knots!

Guessing it was a 12m,board looked wide for a kite guessing 45cm.

Anyway, these things plane in next to nothing!

Only for less than 10 knots though as my formula board is great to sail when wind hits 10 knots.


gaurantee it was more like 10-15 knots, the only kites that will fly properly in 5-10 are air foil kites and you would need the 21m kite for that

jsnfok
WA, 899 posts
1 Apr 2013 9:29PM
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lotofwind said...
Yep, 5kn is surfing or offshore fishing time. See Markie, we can agree, no need to not play nice. Good to see you following my example of not trolling other wind sports. Good for you, thumbs up.
They are called WIND sports for a reason. Not because of the hot air past on forums.




ahhh wind sports, you need wind

Underoath
QLD, 2434 posts
1 Apr 2013 11:38PM
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If its less than 15knots, spend time with your family.

Mark _australia
WA, 23526 posts
1 Apr 2013 9:39PM
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jsnfok said...
ahhh wind sports, you need wind


No this whole thread is about how you don't need a lot of wind.


lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
2 Apr 2013 12:47AM
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Your post count would only be about 6 if it wasnt for a lot of wind lol



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