This happened when landing a 2-3mt jump with fox 105 :( It wasn't so flat, i landed much worse with dyno and it didn't crack. Luckily it didn't break all the way and i was able to surf 3-4km back to shore.


My repair guy told me he can fix it only by using carbon underneath. There is no carbon layer in original, i wonder if it will make it stiff to ride.
Do you think this is fixable? And do you think carbon is actually better to fix it (make it stronger for next impact)?

Everything is fixable. The question is how big a bill to fix it? Theres a price point where you're better off just getting another board.

But i think most board repairers these days are pretty good at fixing this sort of thing, at a price that makes it worth doing.

edit: are you sure theres no carbon? I swear i can see some? Im quite sure theyre made out of carbon too.

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Subsonic said..

edit: are you sure theres no carbon? I swear i can see some? Im quite sure theyre made out of carbon too.

Carbon layer finishes 3-4cm inside from rails. That grey part is a thin film, not sure what its made of but its like paper.

It's certainly fixable, I've done worse than that. But when you say "carbon underneath", what do you mean, between the sandwich and the eps? If so, that doesn't sound correct, most boards only have a layer of 4oz glass there. Carbon isn't much stronger than glass, it's just heaps stiffer. If I was repairing it, I'd try to copy the original layup.

Sure that can be fixed and made stronger but will add some weight.
I haven't riden a fox or dyno but the dyno would have a stronger construction to deal with more jumping.

Suggest routing in 6mm high density pvc foam. Important not to go straight across but angle from centerline to rails from mast track to front foot straps.
Vacuum 'bandaid' foam patch with 4oz wet out underneath. Once cured fair and grind off paint in front and behind to glass in carbon (again patch to overlap foam and cut on angle). The carbon would also lap down the rail crack.
Filler coat, sand, paint.

You would be going really fast and probably legs froze mid air for flat landing, we have all done it!
Need to tuck your knees up, spot you landing and tail first.
Good luck

If the repairer is only talking a carbon fix and not replacing the whole sandwich layer, find another repairer.

That needs a big repair at least 25cm wide with the PVC foam layer replaced, core glued together, and the bottom relaminated. Plus of course the rails.

I do rails first whilst rocker is supported, so it can't flex when doing bottom.


I'll have it if you can't be bothered.


BTW the thin grey layer would be 1 x 4oz glass which is normal for a slalom / freeride in the front to mid section there's nothing wrong there. Black resin for the trendy rub back look

I'd say the foam is cracked also , not that that's a real problem, just sayin.
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2-3m jump on a freeride board. That's pushing it.

There's no way I would ride a board with that repair any distance offshore.

Some boards just fold like that. Warranty of any kind?
What's its current value? You have to pull material to see how deep that crack goes.... Where is the crack in relation to straps?

He wants to fix it normally (foam and rails etc...), but apply carbon to all bottom connecting with rails, keeping the same shape. He says it will be prone to breaking again otherwise. I worry it will be too stiff that way, original was great, but still safety first so i said ok already. Thanks for replies.

Crack is very close to mast track, between front foot straps.
There was delamination at this board earlier and I already got a discount for another order, so i guess i can't get any warranty this time, hopefully another discount.

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Sea Lotus said..
He wants to fix it normally (foam and rails etc...), but apply carbon to all bottom connecting with rails, keeping the same shape. He says it will be prone to breaking again otherwise. I worry it will be too stiff that way, original was great, but still safety first so i said ok already. Thanks for replies.

Crack is very close to mast track, between front foot straps.
There was delamination at this board earlier and I already got a discount for another order, so i guess i can't get any warranty this time, hopefully another discount.

did the repairer tell you how they can keep the same shape? do they have another fox to copy rocker from?

i looked on the severne site and there is no carbon in the sandwich. it is glass. probably s-glass but it doesn't say specifically.
the carbon is in the rails and the nose and footstrap area. there is also a t-stringer. it is likely broken now.

Given the length of the crack around the rails, my guess is the core is damaged all the way through to the deck.... thus also likely that the deck-to-core sandwich is also compromised.

As with repairing masts and booms - as others have explained it can be fixed... but when you are sailing any distance from shore, do you risk $$ vs safety ?

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mathew said..
Given the length of the crack around the rails, my guess is the core is damaged all the way through to the deck.... thus also likely that the deck-to-core sandwich is also compromised.

As with repairing masts and booms - as others have explained it can be fixed... but when you are sailing any distance from shore, do you risk $$ vs safety ?

If the repair is done well, safety should be less of a concern, probably more adverse effect might be some weight gain. I damaged a fanatic gecko in a very similar way doing a similar thing (hindsight is great, but the ramp was oh so tempting). Repairer recommended major surgery and did similar to what Mark mentioned. What I picked up from repairer was a solid board that would have probably cost a fair bit more as a second hand board in its repaired condition than the repair itself cost. I still use the board occasionally and feel confident even out in the ocean on it (no jumps). But it definitely weighs more. (Which begs the question, why have boards for non competitive recreational sailors got to be feather light? I'd trade an extra couple of kgs for a more robust board any day. Marketing hype imo.)

It's a big job covering a large area. Yes it doable but would be pricey. I can't see the pvc layer but I'm looking on my phone. If carbon is used in the repair but there is no carbon in the board, this may create a very stiff area next to the not so stiff original board. As decrepit says try and use same materials already used in the board.

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Sea Lotus said.. There is no carbon layer in original, i wonder if it will make it stiff to ride.
Do you think this is fixable? And do you think carbon is actually better to fix it (make it stronger for next impact)?

I think the Fox has enough 'v' & shape in the hull to smooth out the bumps in itself and carbon wouldn't be too stiff and uncomfortable. It has decent footpads as well.
I would be more worried about having a large carbon repair next to more flexible glass, if that is what it is.

Off topic but you should learn to jump on an old board. It's a waste wrecking a nice board like that.

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Gestalt said..

Sea Lotus said..
He wants to fix it normally (foam and rails etc...), but apply carbon to all bottom connecting with rails, keeping the same shape. He says it will be prone to breaking again otherwise. I worry it will be too stiff that way, original was great, but still safety first so i said ok already. Thanks for replies.

Crack is very close to mast track, between front foot straps.
There was delamination at this board earlier and I already got a discount for another order, so i guess i can't get any warranty this time, hopefully another discount.

did the repairer tell you how they can keep the same shape? do they have another fox to copy rocker from?

i looked on the severne site and there is no carbon in the sandwich. it is glass. probably s-glass but it doesn't say specifically.
the carbon is in the rails and the nose and footstrap area. there is also a t-stringer. it is likely broken now.

Sorry i missed these.
He said he will do with a mould, didn't give details.
He didn't start to repair yet so didn't see the t-stringer, does that t-stringer work as a significant structural support?

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Spocktek said..
Off topic but you should learn to jump on an old board. It's a waste wrecking a nice board like that.

Maybe not very good but i know how to jump/land, i landed this jump tail first too, olso old gear to jump is very rare in my country. I agree its a waste but breaking a nice old board is more of a waste imo because i can order a new fox anytime but not an old board. Anyway, i learned not to jump big with boards for freeride/freerace (not about board being nice or new).