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Help with Weed Fins

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Created by hotmach > 9 months ago, 27 Mar 2013
hotmach
11 posts
27 Mar 2013 9:20PM
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Needing to purchase a weed fin for 8.0-6.5 free race sails to be used on a RRD 111L Firestorm 238x68.

My options are Makani fins, MFC, Or Black Project.
Makani offers two different models and one of which is offered in carbon. MFC has been around for some time and has a rep. Black project is new and seems more high end, is also the most $'s

What do you all like of these options ?

keef
NSW, 2016 posts
28 Mar 2013 9:44AM
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hotmach said...

Needing to purchase a weed fin for 8.0-6.5 free race sails to be used on a RRD 111L Firestorm 238x68.

My options are Makani fins, MFC, Or Black Project.
Makani offers two different models and one of which is offered in carbon. MFC has been around for some time and has a rep. Black project is new and seems more high end, is also the most $'s

What do you all like of these options ?


depends on what type of weed your sailing, if its loose or in clumps you will need to go 45deg or more, if its growing you can go less but no less than 38deg
MFC are for shallow water, makani use to have some flex maybe the new ones are better, black project are a fully machined CNC G10, just be careful with the sizing, I have seen a BP 28cm and it was a 24cm
if you can get a full carbon weed fin expect some maintenance , carbon is stiff but not very user friendly
summery a weed fin has to have no flex and make sure your getting the size you ordered
or you can wait till I do a post on how to make a carbon weed fin for under $20

keef
NSW, 2016 posts
28 Mar 2013 10:45AM
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shear tip said...
Just to clarify Keef's point:

MFC = Maui fin company
MUF = Maui Ultra Fins (the delta's are the shallow water specialists)


...and Black Project have gone all Starboard on us with virtual sizing. The size 28 is equivalent to a 28cm pointer and is 23.5cm deep.

http://www.blackprojectfins.com/products/windsurf-fins/weedspeed/


just to clarify keef's point , KEEF is now the shallow water specialist

Milsy
NSW, 1176 posts
28 Mar 2013 10:47AM
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hey man, i sail in weed conditions all the time, for the size sails your suggesting and that size board, we would probably use jp 36, maybe jp 31, the old fin works shape works well in weed as well, as far as better perfomance in terms of speed, i dont know if the fins im suggesting are the best, but good alrounders, and go through weed well, a heap of guys are using the flying objects weedsters and doing well,,, the guys posting, keef and shear tip, they definately know there weed fins and sail faster than me, they also sail shallower water, which plays a part in thier fin choice, in real conditions, not so flat, those maui deltas arent the best choice, good luck man............id just pay keef to make you one, he is the fin king!!!!!,

keef
NSW, 2016 posts
28 Mar 2013 11:57AM
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Milsy said..., those maui deltas arent the best choice, good luck man............id just pay keef to make you one, he is the fin king!!!!!,

thanks for the ego boost milsy, ill have to agree with you about the delta's until you lift the rake, the smaller15cm to 18cm from 55 deg to 47deg, the larger you can only go 5deg to 50, with just the small change the fin will smoke to windward, and give you more pressure off the wind especially in chop

but after saying that who in there rite mind would change a perfectly engineered new fin with the latest high tech

KA360
NSW, 803 posts
28 Mar 2013 1:44PM
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keef said...


just to clarify keef's point , KEEF is now the shallow water specialist


Shallow water specialist- is that now the politically correct term for"can't swim or waterstart".
Didn't you start developing short fins to help you with your beach starts?

The forecast looks good, I'll see you this side of the shallow water marker this arvo Keith.

hotmach
11 posts
28 Mar 2013 11:18AM
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Weeds would be loose.

Was looking at the BlackProject 42or33.6 as they give real and virtual sizing on their site.

MFC weed burner 40 or 46 (seems like a big jump)

Makani Hahalua 43

keef
NSW, 2016 posts
28 Mar 2013 2:21PM
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KA360 said...
keef said...


just to clarify keef's point , KEEF is now the shallow water specialist


Shallow water specialist- is that now the politically correct term for"can't swim or waterstart".
Didn't you start developing short fins to help you with your beach starts?

The forecast looks good, I'll see you this side of the shallow water marker this arvo Keith.

there's no wind today arkim actually I must admit those floaties I've been wearing look a bit ridiculous
the fins were developed to combine my freestyle moves and speed sailing, next time im down ill show you how to do a flucka at 35knts, it's not easy but with a small enough fin anything is possible


sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
28 Mar 2013 2:27PM
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hotmach said...
Weeds would be loose.

Was looking at the BlackProject 42or33.6 as they give real and virtual sizing on their site.

MFC weed burner 40 or 46 (seems like a big jump)

Makani Hahalua 43


I've got the Halalua 38cms & I like it but saying that I'm a freerider and not into speed.It gets me upwind well and I use it when my 44cms freeride fin is a bit much to settle the board down in non weedie conditions.

Waiting4wind
NSW, 1871 posts
28 Mar 2013 2:52PM
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keef said...
hotmach said...

Needing to purchase a weed fin for 8.0-6.5 free race sails to be used on a RRD 111L Firestorm 238x68.

My options are Makani fins, MFC, Or Black Project.
Makani offers two different models and one of which is offered in carbon. MFC has been around for some time and has a rep. Black project is new and seems more high end, is also the most $'s

What do you all like of these options ?


depends on what type of weed your sailing, if its loose or in clumps you will need to go 45deg or more, if its growing you can go less but no less than 38deg
MFC are for shallow water, makani use to have some flex maybe the new ones are better, black project are a fully machined CNC G10, just be careful with the sizing, I have seen a BP 28cm and it was a 24cm
if you can get a full carbon weed fin expect some maintenance , carbon is stiff but not very user friendly
summery a weed fin has to have no flex and make sure your getting the size you ordered
or you can wait till I do a post on how to make a carbon weed fin for under $20


Keef, can I order a few of those $20 fins!! I'll even pickup.

keef
NSW, 2016 posts
28 Mar 2013 3:04PM
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Waiting4wind said...
keef said...
you can wait till I do a post on how to make a carbon weed fin for under $20


Keef, can I order a few of those $20 fins!! I'll even pickup.


des $20 gets you the materials, youll have to do the hard work

hotmach
11 posts
28 Mar 2013 8:30PM
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keef said...
hotmach said...

Needing to purchase a weed fin for 8.0-6.5 free race sails to be used on a RRD 111L Firestorm 238x68.

My options are Makani fins, MFC, Or Black Project.
Makani offers two different models and one of which is offered in carbon. MFC has been around for some time and has a rep. Black project is new and seems more high end, is also the most $'s

What do you all like of these options ?


depends on what type of weed your sailing, if its loose or in clumps you will need to go 45deg or more, if its growing you can go less but no less than 38deg
MFC are for shallow water, makani use to have some flex maybe the new ones are better, black project are a fully machined CNC G10, just be careful with the sizing, I have seen a BP 28cm and it was a 24cm
if you can get a full carbon weed fin expect some maintenance , carbon is stiff but not very user friendly
summery a weed fin has to have no flex and make sure your getting the size you ordered
or you can wait till I do a post on how to make a carbon weed fin for under $20


Mostly sailing in loose grass
Are not all the fins i listed 38degree or more ?
Your saying MFC is not good for weed just shallow water ?
Is carbon better, what is the maintenance ? what makes it not user friendly ?
Is fully machined CNC G10 the best ? BP site list's real and virtual sizes ?

Seems everyone agrees your the expert. Which brand makes the good product ?

Thanks !

hotmach
11 posts
28 Mar 2013 8:41PM
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sboardcrazy said...
hotmach said...
Weeds would be loose.

Was looking at the BlackProject 42or33.6 as they give real and virtual sizing on their site.

MFC weed burner 40 or 46 (seems like a big jump)

Makani Hahalua 43


I've got the Halalua 38cms & I like it but saying that I'm a freerider and not into speed.It gets me upwind well and I use it when my 44cms freeride fin is a bit much to settle the board down in non weedie conditions.



Thanks sboardcrazy.
i'm a freerider too. Just wanting a fin with a fast bias. Also as i have a few brand options available thought i'd inquire into who are the best brands. @$200 might as well get the best, amazing how much $ fins are. The Halalua looks very different with that wide base.

keef
NSW, 2016 posts
28 Mar 2013 11:54PM
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hotmach said...
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Mostly sailing in loose grass
Are not all the fins i listed 38degree or more ?
Your saying MFC is not good for weed just shallow water ?
Is carbon better, what is the maintenance ? what makes it not user friendly ?
Is fully machined CNC G10 the best ? BP site list's real and virtual sizes ?

Seems everyone agrees your the expert. Which brand makes the good product ?

Thanks !

hotmatch ive been posting a heap of bulls-it on this site long enough that most people think im an expert rexy had his 28-35.5 BP at canton and couldn't get going , my guess it was 38deg , I dropped it back to 42 , I haven't heard back but im guessing its better
what im saying about the MFC is the smaller fins are unstable at high speed they need less rake, and the bigger MFC's aren't great at jibeing this fin is lifted 5deg +2cm so now a 17 at 50deg


BundyBear
NSW, 325 posts
29 Mar 2013 1:24AM
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If your looking for a weedy also give Vector Fins a choice, I have a 30 and a 40 which I use for 7.0 and 7.8 sails respectivly and on Futura 101 and 121 respectivly. Both are brilliant fins, so much fast than the Maui Ultra's they replaced.

If you are interested just contact Jesper on the Forum here or they are very quick if you email them direct as well

hotmach
11 posts
29 Mar 2013 12:57AM
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So, sounds like the MFC is out ?
So for heavy weed 38 degrees is bad, but for lighter weed it's better ?
Although there are lots of brands out there i could purchase the mentioned brands are the ones available at the vendors i want to give my business to. I'm sailing in the lighter floating grass spectrum.

So, Makani or Black Project. What do you think ?

pepe47
WA, 1382 posts
29 Mar 2013 5:26AM
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Neither, If you ask 20 different people about their preference, you'll probably get 20 different answers, the common theme being that "you should buy this one because it's the one I use". Everyone's sailing style differs, so does their choice in fins. Start to see a pattern forming?

I think I can save you some money though. If you go to your local dealer and ask for a weed fin, put it around the front of your knee and try to bend it. If it bends, hand it back and try something else.
If you have a fin raked back at 45 degrees, the bend will NOT be along the flow line of the fin. Gybing will be difficult, but humorous for those watching, and recovering from the inevitable spin out will drop all of your speed.

Maui ultra fins have one of the thickest (highest) chord percentages that I've seen, choco are also fairly thick. JP make a good weedie also, but, like MFC, some of their larger models are also equipped with "can openers" at each end of the fin box.

Good luck.

Rus13b
NSW, 271 posts
29 Mar 2013 8:33AM
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I got some Maui ultra fin weedys. 24 & 28 for 7m to 4.2m. olaf who owns works there will ask what boards u ride & what sort of sailing you do & tell u what u need.
i just free ride & they sold me freestlye weedies, 45deg rake but with a cut out on the trailing edge. seem fast enough for now turn good upwind good, just need a 32ish for the 7m.
just dont stomp around when going into a gybe, nice & gental or spin out &
catch a rail splat.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
29 Mar 2013 9:15AM
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hotmach said...
sboardcrazy said...
hotmach said...
Weeds would be loose.

Was looking at the BlackProject 42or33.6 as they give real and virtual sizing on their site.

MFC weed burner 40 or 46 (seems like a big jump)

Makani Hahalua 43


I've got the Halalua 38cms & I like it but saying that I'm a freerider and not into speed.It gets me upwind well and I use it when my 44cms freeride fin is a bit much to settle the board down in non weedie conditions.



Thanks sboardcrazy.
i'm a freerider too. Just wanting a fin with a fast bias. Also as i have a few brand options available thought i'd inquire into who are the best brands. @$200 might as well get the best, amazing how much $ fins are. The Halalua looks very different with that wide base.

I went for the Makani because all the forum reviews ( not here as then I hadn't heard of them ) raved about their upwind ability and that's a big factor in my choice.They are chunkier especially the freemove and I think that's why they go upwind better for their size.

Never had an issue with spinout going into gybes. Have spunout a little with backfoot pressure and need to be powered up to get upwind well with the 18cm weedie on the 78ltre waveboard but that's pretty small!
Also I'm not as good on the little board as I haven't used it as much and the runs at Canton were short to avoid going out into the chop so that may have affected how well I got upwind.

hotmach
11 posts
29 Mar 2013 9:15AM
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sboardcrazy said...
hotmach said...
sboardcrazy said...
hotmach said...
Weeds would be loose.

Was looking at the BlackProject 42or33.6 as they give real and virtual sizing on their site.

MFC weed burner 40 or 46 (seems like a big jump)

Makani Hahalua 43


I've got the Halalua 38cms & I like it but saying that I'm a freerider and not into speed.It gets me upwind well and I use it when my 44cms freeride fin is a bit much to settle the board down in non weedie conditions.



Thanks sboardcrazy.
i'm a freerider too. Just wanting a fin with a fast bias. Also as i have a few brand options available thought i'd inquire into who are the best brands. @$200 might as well get the best, amazing how much $ fins are. The Halalua looks very different with that wide base.

I went for the Makani because all the forum reviews ( not here as then I hadn't heard of them ) raved about their upwind ability and that's a big factor in my choice.They are chunkier especially the freemove and I think that's why they go upwind better for their size.

Never had an issue with spinout going into gybes. Have spunout a little with backfoot pressure and need to be powered up to get upwind well with the 18cm weedie on the 78ltre waveboard but that's pretty small!
Also I'm not as good on the little board as I haven't used it as much and the runs at Canton were short to avoid going out into the chop so that may have affected how well I got upwind.



Thanks for your thoughts on the Makani brand sboardcrazy. Your comments have been helpful. Good to know you like the Halalua.

hotmach
11 posts
29 Mar 2013 9:32AM
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pepe47 said...
Neither, If you ask 20 different people about their preference, you'll probably get 20 different answers, the common theme being that "you should buy this one because it's the one I use". Everyone's sailing style differs, so does their choice in fins. Start to see a pattern forming?

I think I can save you some money though. If you go to your local dealer and ask for a weed fin, put it around the front of your knee and try to bend it. If it bends, hand it back and try something else.
If you have a fin raked back at 45 degrees, the bend will NOT be along the flow line of the fin. Gybing will be difficult, but humorous for those watching, and recovering from the inevitable spin out will drop all of your speed.

Maui ultra fins have one of the thickest (highest) chord percentages that I've seen, choco are also fairly thick. JP make a good weedie also, but, like MFC, some of their larger models are also equipped with "can openers" at each end of the fin box.

Good luck.




Note however i didn't ask what brand was the best. I gave three brand options and asked for comments on those brands. Everyone's comments however have offered me some help in my decision even those that commented on a brand i won't be buying.

My goal was to become aware if any of the three mentioned brands offered a better construction method or material etc. over the others as i'm not that up on fin design.

I have notice a lot of speed guy's have gone to Black Project so thought i might hear some advantage there.

Thanks Pepe47 !

keef
NSW, 2016 posts
29 Mar 2013 2:47PM
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hotmach im doing a post in the speed section on how to make your own fin design, its interesting c3 has a proto similar design as mine, it mite be a good idea to hang in there and see what there asking $$$$$ if your willing to unload $220+freight for a BP it mite be worth the wait, orrrrrrrrrrrrrrr wait for the D.I.Y knock a carbon one up
www.andersbq.com/2013/03/obsessed-with-fins.html



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