Drone wanted that can film Windsurfing with Go Pro

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gmitton
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2 Apr 2014 6:03pm
Saw this: www.harveynorman.com.au/cameras-phones-gps/cameras/action-cameras/dji-phantom-quadcopter-drone-for-gopro.html

but believe it is for low winds. Can anyone recommend anything that could be used in 30 knots with a Go Pro?
evlPanda
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2 Apr 2014 7:04pm
I had a friend attempt to film me sailing from a drone. Alas there wasn't enough wind, the gimbal thingy mucked up and all he got was an upside-down shot of the beach, and now he's moved to Melbourne.

Was about 15 knots and he said it was handling it easily. Mind you his is military spec. and cost about $3K. Thing'll fly itself home in an emergency.
I don't know about the Harvey Norman one. see below.

I don't know what they're using in this one, but it sure isn't 20 knots as they are claiming. Looks like 15 tops.



According to this page: http://www.dji.com/product/phantom/spec
The one you listed has a Maximum Flight Velocity of 10m/second.

That's 36km/h, or about 18 knots. With a reasonable margin of safety you'd be maxed out in 16 knots of wind.

Makes me wonder if quad-copters just aren't fast enough. Normal rc chopper can do easy 100km/h, but is a lot trickier to fly.

...one pilot for flying, one pilot for filming? It's ridiculous but a whole lot cheaper than a real helicopter.

(also rc choppers in general are dangerous - not for public beaches)
Reflex Films
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2 Apr 2014 4:05pm
A DJI s1000 or S800 will do the trick - prepare to be shocked at the price tag though! You need a gimbal for the camera and good radio gear too.

Got 10 g spare?



jn1
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2 Apr 2014 7:01pm
gmitton said..
Can anyone recommend anything that could be used in 30 knots with a Go Pro?

We'll have to call you "Stanley Mittonbrick" . Sounds like a great idea to film aerial video. The only thing I recommend is jumping on a UAV site and talking to operators and see what they have to say about your idea.
sailquik
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2 Apr 2014 7:46pm
I seem to remember some video footage take of Sail Rocket from a radio controlled model plane. I may have seen the same type of thing from Luderitz.

Found it:

SeanAUS120
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2 Apr 2014 8:27pm
evlPanda said..





This is shot with a DJI Phantom 2 Vision. You can buy these for <$600 AUD out of Asia. Pretty cheap. You can fly them in 20 knots it's seems. Ricardo Campello has one in Maui he said he could fly in 30 knots but the footage is a bit shaky... photos work ok though at that windspeed he said.

This one looks like it has the gimble, which adds a few hundred dollars ...

I wonder if overhead 'drone' footage is going to become the new 7-minute headcam gopro videos ... fill up this forum again. haha!

Get one now before they change the laws and you aren't allowed to fly them on public land ever again.


jh2703
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2 Apr 2014 10:10pm
The dji phantom is good up to 15 knots but after that it fights too much and drains the battery quickly. You'll need to invest in something a bit more solid then the phantom to get good windsurf action. That said the phantom is excellent for getting scenery and lifestyle shots with smooth results, Easier then setting up dolly shots. Ricardo, Just like me has crashed his and from what I read so have most others. I don't think the transmitter they used in the phantom 1 were all that good, They are greatly affected by wi-fi signals which cause them to do funny things...Even the wi-fi from the GoPro itself can cause interference. I believe this has since been fixed with the phantom 2. Mine has crashed twice for what would appear to be no reason at all, They just fly off on occasion. It survived the first crash into the ocean but the second one was into the ground which destroyed it. Strangely though the GoPro survived both crashes even though it wasn't in a housing? I think these will be banned before long.....So I'm buying another before it happens.

Try these guys, They have ready to fly quads available if you don't want to build one yourself helipal.com

firiebob
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2 Apr 2014 7:56pm
I believe there is a firmware up date to fix the wifi flyaways, if the DJI gets the same signal for 10sec it'll stop, wait and if same same will go into fly home mode. There is a video explaining it, I got a DJI for 500 delivered with extra battery, lots of fun, needs a gimble for GoPro and I ordered a cheapie for $80 recommended by a few forums, could be poop but I'll play with it and see but not home for another 2 weeks.

As I said lots of fun, like everything, new version is better, longer flight times etc. My flight times are ok but I never do anything sus without a fresh battery. I'm away but when I get back I'll do the firmware update and cross fingers no bugger offs
jh2703
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2 Apr 2014 11:33pm
Mine crashed after the firmware update....Beware!

If it's working leave it as is......My 2 cents
jh2703
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2 Apr 2014 11:39pm
In case you haven't seen it here's one of my first test flight with the phantom 1 & Using a gimbal and Hero3+



gmitton
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3 Apr 2014 9:48am
Thanks for all this advice. The Phantom 2 has a better battery, but based on the detail on this forum it sounds like it is still a major stretch. Will investigate and report back for benefit of others...
westozwind
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3 Apr 2014 8:55am
This is another option, but don't believe the quoted fly time. It's a bit like gear manufacturers claims for their 2014 gear that is soooo much better than the 2013 stuff.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__48164__Walkera_QR_X350_FPV_GPS_Quadcopter_w_DEVO_F7_5_8Ghz_Video_TX_and_GoPro_Adapter_Mount_Mode2_RTF_.html
Also, 15-18 knots will be tops for this unit as well.
I'm going down the build your own path. Far more frustrating, but cheaper/bigger bang for buck.
The "brain" is the key. It's allows you to move between quad, hex and octo copter configurations.
Battery's, motors, props et all are way more customisable than ready to fly.
There are open source models that do more than just return to home, but can fly a pre programmed flight path using GPS and an altimeter.
Octo's seem to be slightly better for high wind and give you a bit more fail safe.
Go the DJI or Walkera if you are not technically minded, even getting the order right for all the parts is a nightmare, and you will be ordering more stuff I guarantee.
The season is over, and autumn is a great time to learn to fly.
Don't buy from Hardly Normal. A quick search will get you a far better deal.
aus301
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3 Apr 2014 1:50pm
I don't know anything about these things, but I know one of the guys on the Goldy is using one of these www.quadh2o.com/

They are waterproof, so if they take a dip or land on water all good. I'm pretty sure he started with a cheaper one that went missing on a slightly windy day.

here is some footage from it...

KA360
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sboardcrazy
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3 Apr 2014 6:15pm
What an unreal place! Unfortunately my internet is too slow to play it without stopping regularly.
robhow2
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3 Apr 2014 6:56pm
This professional solution may be more to your liking ? Will lift DSLR cameras for top video quality as well.
firiebob
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3 Apr 2014 9:42pm
jh2703 said..

If it's working leave it as is......My 2 cents


Thanks, will do

Harrow
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6 Apr 2014 9:03am
evlPanda said.. Normal rc chopper can do easy 100km/h, but is a lot trickier to fly.

...one pilot for flying, one pilot for filming? It's ridiculous but a whole lot cheaper than a real helicopter.

(also rc choppers in general are dangerous - not for public beaches)

You can get stabilisation systems for RC heli's that have a mode that let's you 'drive' them around like a car at a constant altitude.

But, as you say, they are dangerous, and the size you need to carry a decent camera can easily kill someone if it crashes.

SeanAUS120
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7 Apr 2014 2:27pm
How long have we got until all drones are illegal to fly in AUS do you reckon?

www.news.com.au/national/western-australia/casa-probe-launched-after-camera-drone-knocks-down-runner/news-story/8ce201d1792d2561008d6184e0aece7e

westozwind
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7 Apr 2014 1:04pm
Hacked...
au.news.yahoo.com/triathlete-injured-in-drone-incident-22435997.html
It's a convenient excuse...
Harrow
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7 Apr 2014 3:50pm

Not very long if people keep trying to pull stupid stunts like this.

Flying a remote control quadcopter over a crowded sports event is simply irresponsible and selfish. There is always a real possibility that something will go wrong, and if you are above a whole lot of people there is going to be a high chance of injurying someone.
Chris6791
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7 Apr 2014 2:38pm
westozwind said..

Hacked...
au.news.yahoo.com/triathlete-injured-in-drone-incident-22435997.html
It's a convenient excuse...


Hacked, then says she fell over and hit her head simply because it crashed near her. Geez, man up, apologise and send her some flowers or something. Coming up with BS excuses just makes him look childish.
aus301
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9 Apr 2014 9:51am

dring44
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9 Apr 2014 12:25pm
I wonder how hard they are to build yourself, I recall seeing a video on how to do it somewhere.
sideskirt
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9 Apr 2014 5:09pm
This vid from Maui is excellent.
K Dog
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9 Apr 2014 10:15pm
Great video aus301. Awesome viewing perspective.
KA360
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12 Apr 2014 4:31pm
K Dog said..

Great video aus301. Awesome viewing perspective.


If you can't afford a drone ,here is an alternative viewing perspective - using a stick !

joe windsurf
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12 Apr 2014 7:54pm
previous entry -- "This video is private"
KA360
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12 Apr 2014 10:07pm
^^^ sorry ,now fixed.
BTW It's flow style king, Caesar Finies doing a one handed Bob.
AUS1975
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mrrt
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5 May 2014 2:17pm
Looks like the new DJI Phantom Vision + might be the new king of affordable, user-friendly drones. The included gimbal-mounted camera makes all the difference.

With GPS and compass-based position keeping and map-based waypoint plotting using an iPad app and a built-in 3D gimbal and near-GoPro camera quality (can also attach a GoPro instead) for giving butter-smooth HD video and photography, it looks just the thing for US$1,300 complete.

www.dji.com/phantom-2-vision-plus



- built-in GPS
- automatically flys back to home position if goes out of range
- pre-plot route on a map on iPad app and it automatically flys the route by itself
- Use your iPhone, iPad or Android device to fly the copter (FPV) and control camera seeing what the camera sees
- gyro-stabilised HD camera for perfectly smooth 1080P video (near GoPro quality)
- 14 megapixel still photos
- 56 kmph speed
- 700m range (upgradeable)
- 1,000+ feet altitude
- 25 minutes flight time per battery charge
- High wind performance - good for Windsurfing footage!
- resistant to light rain
- Can be waterproofed too for those unfortunate dunkings:
www.dslrpros.com/Blog/tabid/148/post/dslrpros-watersafe-liquipel-solution/language/en-US/Default.aspx

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