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Broken Nose Avoidance

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Created by Macroscien > 9 months ago, 24 Feb 2013
Macroscien
QLD, 6808 posts
24 Feb 2013 1:01PM
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Since I stop damaging nose in my boards some time ago, I tough that this topic is no longer interest to me.
Now I bought now a new expensive super light, difficult slalom board I wonder if It is worth to take some precaution to avoid disastrous nose squishing.

Since this newer board has delicate structure and wide front arc unlike my older boards with sharp pointing nose the chance to hit the nose are real.

So how to avoid or prevent it? What is your opinion on following:

-laminated mold glued around the nose (could be effective but how effect performance of fast slalom board?
vs.
-Foam protector glued on the nose ?
-Foam protector on around the mast ? if that is really effective and prevent damage ?
-some sailing technical tips ?



Zachery
597 posts
24 Feb 2013 11:29AM
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Havent seen them in years but there used to be mast deviators that actached to mast base and deviated mast from going straight forward

needsalt
NSW, 385 posts
24 Feb 2013 6:46PM
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Boom bras (foam paddy things) don't work. Just ask my freestyle wave.

WindmanV
VIC, 804 posts
24 Feb 2013 7:32PM
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Two x T-type mast/boom protectors. Cut the mast protector off the second one and sew it to the first one.

I like the NP protector because it uses thick, moulded rubber. I use it on SDM and RDM masts. No nose damage to date (sorry Zac).



Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
25 Feb 2013 1:09PM
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I have that Pryde T boom pad with a standard Dakine over the top of it, double pad.
The Pryde T boom is larger and more padded than the Dakine but the velcro is smaller and keeps coming loose, the Dakine is too small and not padded enough, the bottom of the clamp is not covered and can crush the nose of the board if the pad just clears the nose.
Together they work perfect, also the pad part on the mast keeps you from grabbing the mast on a jibe, it reinforces good habits.
Then below all that I have this, http://www.h2o-sports.co.uk/item.asp?P_ID=1056
it covers another couple feet of the mast.
I have taken some very hard catapults where I somehow flew thru the air and landed on my back, you could hear the womp as the nose of the boom slammed into the front of my longboard but not even a dent so far.
The only thing that is impossible to prevent now is when the boom sideswipes the rail towards the front of the board.

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
25 Feb 2013 1:11PM
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I should add that the Dakine nose pad has much larger velcro straps that never come loose.

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
25 Feb 2013 1:21PM
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If the nose of the boom clears the nose of the board this nose pad is very high quality, www.northshoreinc.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=106&idcategory=17
Glued down with contact cement it will not fall apart.
I tried pool noodles cut in half and glued down, what a mess, every time there was an impact chunks it flew off, do not try this!

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
31 Mar 2013 4:36PM
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WindmanV said...
Two x T-type mast/boom protectors. Cut the mast protector off the second one and sew it to the first one.

I like the NP protector because it uses thick, moulded rubber. I use it on SDM and RDM masts. No nose damage to date (sorry Zac).






This works even better.

jh2703
NSW, 1225 posts
31 Mar 2013 8:50PM
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They're all a waist of time, effort and money, If you smash it.....just fix it. My sailing suffered heaps because all I worried about was smashing the nose of the board but once I had smashed it I got over it real quick, My board didn't look as flash but I started trying different stuff without fear of the consequences. The boom clamp will never hit the nose of the board...Unless your a midget and run it at the bottom of the cutout but even then I don't think it will come close. All they will do is get in the way of your gybes and tacks and hinder your sailing....If you find yourself going over the front just jump up a little and sheet in and you'll land on your back and clear of your kit every time, Just don't let go of the boom.

My 2 cents....And personal experience.

JonesySail
QLD, 1120 posts
31 Mar 2013 8:04PM
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I generally try to avoid getting into fights with guys bigger than me!..... And learn to duck!

Darkplague
SA, 197 posts
31 Mar 2013 8:41PM
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^What he said

Better off to spend ya money on a good 2 part epoxy glue, fibreglass cloth, and cheap mini digital scales.

All that crap hanging off would make the sail a lot draggier and heavier, and would make waterstarts a lot harder than they should be because its all waterlogged.

The foam on the nose just creates a sense of false security as underneath the foam, it could be all broken up slowly seeping water in over a long time which is way worse than fixing a broken nose immediately when you can see it.

The only thing that is actually useful is perhaps the pad that goes around the boom clamp. Not for protection of the board, but for yourself!! When you slam into the clamp with your ribs or head, it tends to hurt quite a bit, the padding makes the pain a 6/10 instead of a 9/10 :P

jn1
SA, 2683 posts
31 Mar 2013 9:01PM
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Darkplague said...
When you slam into the clamp with your ribs or head, it tends to hurt quite a bit, the padding makes the pain a 6/10 instead of a 9/10 :P


Mark demonstrates the effect of boom tails and cracked ribs in this youtube. Enjoy :P


Mark _australia
WA, 23526 posts
31 Mar 2013 7:20PM
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Darkplague said...
^What he said

Better off to spend ya money on a good 2 part epoxy glue, fibreglass cloth, and cheap mini digital scales.

All that crap hanging off would make the sail a lot draggier and heavier, and would make waterstarts a lot harder than they should be because its all waterlogged.

The foam on the nose just creates a sense of false security as underneath the foam, it could be all broken up slowly seeping water in over a long time which is way worse than fixing a broken nose immediately when you can see it.

The only thing that is actually useful is perhaps the pad that goes around the boom clamp. Not for protection of the board, but for yourself!! When you slam into the clamp with your ribs or head, it tends to hurt quite a bit, the padding makes the pain a 6/10 instead of a 9/10 :P



+2

learn how to fix a board, it is easy.

Protectors just hide the crack that is allowing water to seep in slowly wrecking your board.

A quality repair, minus paint, can be done in 2 nights at home and you're away.

FormulaNova
WA, 15090 posts
31 Mar 2013 7:58PM
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jh2703 said...
They're all a waist of time, effort and money, If you smash it.....just fix it. My sailing suffered heaps because all I worried about was smashing the nose of the board but once I had smashed it I got over it real quick, My board didn't look as flash but I started trying different stuff without fear of the consequences. The boom clamp will never hit the nose of the board...Unless your a midget and run it at the bottom of the cutout but even then I don't think it will come close. All they will do is get in the way of your gybes and tacks and hinder your sailing....If you find yourself going over the front just jump up a little and sheet in and you'll land on your back and clear of your kit every time, Just don't let go of the boom.

My 2 cents....And personal experience.


I think, at least in my case, holding onto the boom is the way to avoid damage to the board. Holding on sort of pushes the board out from under the boom, and you generally can't hit the boom itself if you are pivoting on it.

I cracked one of my first boards when learning, but since then I am not sure I have hit the nose since.

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
1 Apr 2013 4:02AM
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jh2703 said...
They're all a waist of time, effort and money, If you smash it.....just fix it. My sailing suffered heaps because all I worried about was smashing the nose of the board but once I had smashed it I got over it real quick, My board didn't look as flash but I started trying different stuff without fear of the consequences. The boom clamp will never hit the nose of the board...Unless your a midget and run it at the bottom of the cutout but even then I don't think it will come close. All they will do is get in the way of your gybes and tacks and hinder your sailing....If you find yourself going over the front just jump up a little and sheet in and you'll land on your back and clear of your kit every time, Just don't let go of the boom.

My 2 cents....And personal experience.


The nose of the boom does indeed come in contact with the front of my long board and that's with the boom all the way at the top of the cut out.
The bottom part of the t-boom pad has the added benefit of keeping you from grabbing the mast which reinforces good technique.
The added weight, which is not much is along the mast at and below the boom, the least critical area to add weight. None of these pads absorb any water.
This set up has been thru some serious whacks with no damage at all to the board.
I would much rather prevent any damage than have to repair it, I don't really understand that logic

Macroscien
QLD, 6808 posts
1 Apr 2013 10:51AM
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Beaglebuddy said...

I would much rather prevent any damage than have to repair it, I don't really understand that logic


Macroscien
QLD, 6808 posts
1 Apr 2013 10:56AM
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Mark _australia said...
Darkplague said...
^What he said

Better off to spend ya money on a good 2 part epoxy glue, fibreglass cloth, and cheap mini digital scales.

All that crap hanging off would make the sail a lot draggier and heavier, and would make waterstarts a lot harder than they should be because its all waterlogged.

The foam on the nose just creates a sense of false security as underneath the foam, it could be all broken up slowly seeping water in over a long time which is way worse than fixing a broken nose immediately when you can see it.

The only thing that is actually useful is perhaps the pad that goes around the boom clamp. Not for protection of the board, but for yourself!! When you slam into the clamp with your ribs or head, it tends to hurt quite a bit, the padding makes the pain a 6/10 instead of a 9/10 :P



+2

learn how to fix a board, it is easy.

Protectors just hide the crack that is allowing water to seep in slowly wrecking your board.

A quality repair, minus paint, can be done in 2 nights at home and you're away.



I am happy to repair my older boards. But when you switch from ordinary board to completely new slalom that require different technique, and almost completely new there is sense to take extra protection for this first few sessions till you could " feel" this new board instead of been paralyzed by the tough of damaging new expensive board in first day
I did few runs and the sleeve on the mast that cost just about $50 do the job. Not a sign of any scratch on the nose so far.
A bit of hassle when waterstart because sleeve catch the straps when turning board.

norcom
61 posts
1 Apr 2013 11:12AM
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I have to agree with Beaglebuddy, I've used the exact same idea with the Dakine protector over the Neil Pryde one as soon as I learned that the velcro on the Pryde sucks. I also have the NSI nose guard on most of my boards. It's very nice and looks pretty good.

I'm no expert and have been windsurfing for only about two years. The padding has saved my boards on quite a few occasions; maybe even the mast and boom. Even though I can now predict when I'm going to be overpowered and keep in control, I still use them. They don't hinder my gybes or water starts from a 4.0 to a 9.5 and EASE my mind when trying new things. The ten screws in my leg from mountain biking are what usually puts me off.

I installed the NSI protector using silicone caulk. It's not as strong as the epoxy and it's easy to remove. On one occasion I had the boom smack the nose into the pad HARD and half the pad came off (unglued). I had to put the pad back on but it gave me an opportunity to check the board status.

Sure, it's a little bit more weight and the "cool" windsurfers won't get it.

You can still learn how to repair your boards; just go wavesailing. These pads don't help worth a crap there. Though the extra pad on the extension will help a little when the longboard/sup tumbles in the break with a big sail.



Could have used a larger size NSI protector on this board but the curves make it hard to adhere.

BTW if anyone's wondering what's in the Dakine pouch on the harness: ACR Resqlink 406 PLB, set of prescription water goggles (in case I loose glasses), some downhaul rope. flame away!

Ian K
WA, 4164 posts
1 Apr 2013 11:36AM
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When you've just finished a great session, been offered, and scoffed a beer, don't decide to go for just one more run with a mate who has turned up late. They let you drive after just one beer but you cannot sail a windsurfer without catapaulting. Anyway the nose on my precious Isonic is now repaired and I'm wiser. How good was the Easter noreaster, who did I tell we'd get one at Easter? Told you so.

Carantoc
WA, 7194 posts
1 Apr 2013 11:42AM
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norcom said...

.......... flame away!



I see your issue there norcom. You seem to have a Superfreak rigged up.

Normal people would also suffer the same nose damage issue if they bolted a ships anchor to the top of their mast and an anvil to the end of their boom to replicate the Superfreak sail weight and handling characteristics.

norcom
61 posts
1 Apr 2013 12:32PM
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Carantoc said...
norcom said...

.......... flame away!



I see your issue there norcom. You seem to have a Superfreak rigged up.

Normal people would also suffer the same nose damage issue if they bolted a ships anchor to the top of their mast and an anvil to the end of their boom to replicate the Superfreak sail weight and handling characteristics.




I'm not a huge fan of the SuperFreak but I wanted to try it so I got one. I would have never known how the sail feels until I've had a few sessions on it. I love my Ezzy sails and most of my quiver is them.

CJW
NSW, 1731 posts
1 Apr 2013 4:35PM
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Carantoc said...
I see your issue there norcom. You seem to have a Superfreak rigged up.

Normal people would also suffer the same nose damage issue if they bolted a ships anchor to the top of their mast and an anvil to the end of their boom to replicate the Superfreak sail weight and handling characteristics.




OH NO YOU DIDN'T!2211!@@!


OnT: When you're learning you'll smash a few noses and if you want to try and protect them by all means but honestly as Jase said near the start you are better off learning how to fix damage...it's easy. Once you progress and if you get into freestyle, waves etc you'll soon find that no amount of padding will save the nose in some of the messed up situations you get yourself into On the other hand you get pretty good at preventing it.

Also be aware with foam glued onto the nose, there is a high probability that the board is cracked under the foam if you smash it a lot, cut it off and check regularly if you find yourself dealing out lots of nose punishment

barn
WA, 2960 posts
1 Apr 2013 4:26PM
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I can't believe there's a Supafreak in 7.0m!!

That's one big picnic rug, would fit the whole family on that.


An easy way to build a bombproof nose after it has been smashed to pieces is to open up the tip, dig out all the foam, stand the board upright and pour thickend epoxy into the cavity..






DunkO
NSW, 1147 posts
1 Apr 2013 8:08PM
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Carantoc said...
norcom said...

.......... flame away!



I see your issue there norcom. You seem to have a Superfreak rigged up.

Normal people would also suffer the same nose damage issue if they bolted a ships anchor to the top of their mast and an anvil to the end of their boom to replicate the Superfreak sail weight and handling characteristics.



Hmmm I am going to go to the defence of the freak again...
Super freak 7.0 4.18kg
Severne ncx 7.0 4.46kg (only looked as far as severne for similar comparison sail)

And there is an UL version that is 3.9kg.

And what are you basing the handling characterises on, as a fee ride sail they are super soft and more gust absorbing so would actually be less likely to pull you over the front.


Carantoc
WA, 7194 posts
1 Apr 2013 5:31PM
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DunkO said...

Super freak 7.0 4.18kg
Severne ncx 7.0 4.46kg (only looked as far as severne for similar comparison sail)



similar comparison sail ?

Well they are both sold as being 7.0m2 I guess and you can get the Superfreak in red, so, yeah OK, they are similar



(by the way I used to have Ezzy's but now I said 90% of the time on Superfreaks. Just judging on durability and price 1 x superfreak = 4 x wave panthers. And on durability 1 x Ezzy wave sail = 2 x times anyone else. But I don't sail 4 times better with an Ezzy, in fact I sail just as badly with a Superfreak, but with the added advantage of not being a Severne / Pryde sheeple)

and you did say :

norcom said...

.......... flame away!

DunkO
NSW, 1147 posts
1 Apr 2013 8:41PM
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Similar as they are both free ride no cam sail, I fell they fall in the same category?

Carantoc
WA, 7194 posts
1 Apr 2013 5:43PM
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So if you took the battens out of an NCX would they still be the same ?

DunkO
NSW, 1147 posts
1 Apr 2013 8:50PM
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I was just looking for a weight comparison.....

What should I compare the freaks weight to then?

And in the rest of your post were you implying the freak is 4x more expensive than the ezzy? Don't think that is the case. Your welcome to correct me.

I would suggest you could not find a more durable sail than the freak?

Carantoc
WA, 7194 posts
1 Apr 2013 6:23PM
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Originally I was simply flaming away with common mis-conceptions about the Superfreaks, given there was one in the photo and you don't see them that often.

I have 4.5, 5.0 and 5.8 Superfreaks and use them 90% of the time.

I was suggesting that if you balance price and durability the Superfreak is four times better than an Ezzy. Not saying there is anything wrong with an Ezzy, they are very very good. Just that Superfreaks are cheaper and more durable.

I do think that it is hard to compare the Superfreak with anything, because it isn't like anything else - and trying to compare it on a static weight basis misses the point of it. Severne throw alot into the 'lighter than anything else' ideal. I find the plus points of the Superfreaks isn't their static weight - but then the minus points of Superfreaks isn't their weight either.

I'm sorry. I had nothing of value to add to the original post of a crazy idea from the crazy idea king. So I just slandered something else instead.

DunkO
NSW, 1147 posts
1 Apr 2013 9:29PM
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Carantoc said...
Originally I was simply flaming away with common mis-conceptions about the Superfreaks, given there was one in the photo and you don't see them that often.

I have 4.5, 5.0 and 5.8 Superfreaks and use them 90% of the time.

I was suggesting that if you balance price and durability the Superfreak is four times better than an Ezzy. Not saying there is anything wrong with an Ezzy, they are very very good. Just that Superfreaks are cheaper and more durable.

I do think that it is hard to compare the Superfreak with anything, because it isn't like anything else - and trying to compare it on a static weight basis misses the point of it. Severne throw alot into the 'lighter than anything else' ideal. I find the plus points of the Superfreaks isn't their static weight - but then the minus points of Superfreaks isn't their weight either.

I'm sorry. I had nothing of value to add to the original post of a crazy idea from the crazy idea king. So I just slandered something else instead.


I must have been a bit slow on that...

You are correct in that they are not very comparable.

Mark _australia
WA, 23526 posts
1 Apr 2013 10:10PM
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barn said...
I can't believe there's a Supafreak in 7.0m!!

That's one big picnic rug, would fit the whole family on that.


An easy way to build a bombproof nose after it has been smashed to pieces is to open up the tip, dig out all the foam, stand the board upright and pour thickend epoxy into the cavity..









With superslow hardener used, or a good icepack around it

As me about chemical fires....



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