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Another Gybing Instructional Vid

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Created by ikw777 > 9 months ago, 1 Oct 2012
ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
1 Oct 2012 4:14PM
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I like watching these sorts of vids. Though I'd share.

claw
SA, 59 posts
1 Oct 2012 4:36PM
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Get down James Brown!!

powersloshin
NSW, 1844 posts
1 Oct 2012 6:23PM
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I am learning to carve jybe, but not there yet, but I haven't seen many people doing the clue first exit. I guess it could be good for learning so you can concentrate on everything else before doing the rig flip. But I find clue first exit very scary in high wind, when you flip the rig it's too hard to hang on to it.

Fez
NSW, 130 posts
1 Oct 2012 10:20PM
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A bit of power in the sail clew first helps keep the board going fast and on the plane.
Far easier to keep control that way.
Speed is your friend during the gybe. If you slow down then the sail loads up and is difficult.
Also will help keep the board turning to the new direction rather than being too far downwind when the sail is changed.

Macroscien
QLD, 6808 posts
1 Oct 2012 11:28PM
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Fez said...

Also will help keep the board turning to the new direction rather than being too far downwind when the sail is changed.

That is interesting. I always finished gybe too much up wind and then slow down, until recently when I finally could exit with decent speed down the wind ..

ejmack
VIC, 1308 posts
2 Oct 2012 9:02AM
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Those streamlined booms do look solid!

Been having some issues with my exists, mostly rig flip not being smooth, so going to try some of the tips Jem mentions.

Roar
NSW, 471 posts
2 Oct 2012 2:45PM
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Bah clue first gybes are too slow !

Proper carve gybes should have the sail in rotation thru the middle of the curve so you are fully locked into foot straps and powered up coming out the other side.
When done right the sail becomes almost wightless and its super easy to rotate.
To keep board speed up bend the kneees and lean into it. If you dont commit 100% you will sink the tail and slow the board.
You will probably have some supurb catapults learning this but once you get the balance right it all becomes super smooth and natural.

jimbob SA
SA, 1000 posts
2 Oct 2012 2:44PM
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Roar said...
Bah clue first gybes are too slow !

Proper carve gybes should have the sail in rotation thru the middle of the curve so you are fully locked into foot straps and powered up coming out the other side.
When done right the sail becomes almost wightless and its super easy to rotate.
To keep board speed up bend the kneees and lean into it. If you dont commit 100% you will sink the tail and slow the board.
You will probably have some supurb catapults learning this but once you get the balance right it all becomes super smooth and natural.




+1

ejmack
VIC, 1308 posts
2 Oct 2012 3:28PM
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Well, there's no harm in having multiple skills & options up your sleeve so to speak. Clew first skills are helpful elsewhere also. No doubt doing the rig flip close to the centre of the gybe is the best option in most cases. My problem is I dont slide the front hand forward enough to give a smooth rotation.

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
2 Oct 2012 3:53PM
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powersloshin said...
But I find clue first exit very scary in high wind, when you flip the rig it's too hard to hang on to it.


There's a sweet angle to have the mast/rig at when you flip, so when just right it is effortless. You can completely let go and it spins around into your hands. Practice on dry land, you'll see.

(But yeah personally, I flip while going downwind at about the same speed)

kato
VIC, 3513 posts
2 Oct 2012 5:07PM
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Haven,t watched one of these before, but it seems to be a strange technique with that late flip.I wonder what the Alpha was. I,d like to see him do that on a small speed board as i recon the board would stall.

Ian K
WA, 4164 posts
2 Oct 2012 6:40PM
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I think it all depends on the board speed vs. wind speed as you hit directly downwind. It's relatively easy to get the rig to go light on real flat water in moderate wind, because your board speed will be high relative to the wind going in and the smooth water won't knock off as much speed in the first half of the turn. The better sailors can continue to do the early "rig-gone-light" flip in rougher water and stronger wind. Most of us are forced into the late rig flip in anything less than ideal conditions.

Here's a top sailor doing a late flip in pretty strong wind and roughish water. Couldn't find an example of an early flip on the internet that wasn't a duck gybe?




jn1
SA, 2683 posts
3 Oct 2012 12:36AM
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I used Beginner to Winner (Gem Hall) when I was learning. Some of his techniques did not work, no matter how many months I tried. One of them being clew first gybes (where Gem holds the sail for a few seconds then flips). I had two mates who watched the DVD and started doing it. So, I ended up skipping this intermediate step. No point flogging a dead horse so to speak. Use as a general guideline :)

powersloshin
NSW, 1844 posts
3 Oct 2012 8:24AM
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that's what I suspected, clew first jybing is like 'interruptus coitus', a technique only mastered by a few selected males.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
3 Oct 2012 8:41AM
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I think clew first gybes would be really hard to do especially if you aren't strong..I only use them if I drop off the plane or not going fast enough as they as they add stability at the end. You keep the board powered up until you feel comfortable and can flip.
I used some of gems tips but like guy Cribbs gybing dvd heaps better. Why make it harder than it already is? Besides usual carve gybes look cooler..

jn1
SA, 2683 posts
3 Oct 2012 9:06AM
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powersloshin said...
that's what I suspected, clew first jybing is like 'interruptus coitus', a technique only mastered by a few selected males.



Yep. Under Gem's instruction, clew first is simply learning aid. If it's defeating it's purpose or causing a bad habit, then there's no point. But, I'm pretty sure he would have anybody clew firsting if you attended his overseas school though - nothing beats face to face instruction :)

K Dog
VIC, 1847 posts
3 Oct 2012 11:33AM
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ejmack said...
Well, there's no harm in having multiple skills & options up your sleeve so to speak. Clew first skills are helpful elsewhere also. No doubt doing the rig flip close to the centre of the gybe is the best option in most cases. My problem is I dont slide the front hand forward enough to give a smooth rotation.


Same

ejmack
VIC, 1308 posts
3 Oct 2012 1:55PM
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K Dog said...
ejmack said...
Well, there's no harm in having multiple skills & options up your sleeve so to speak. Clew first skills are helpful elsewhere also. No doubt doing the rig flip close to the centre of the gybe is the best option in most cases. My problem is I dont slide the front hand forward enough to give a smooth rotation.


Same



Yeah, as much as I try and remember such things as "boomshaka" etc. before the flip I fail to slide that hand all the way forward resulting in an awkward rotation. Not a big deal normally but something I need to work on as I'm trying to improve my alpha's.

Macroscien
QLD, 6808 posts
3 Oct 2012 2:17PM
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If carve jibe = lay down = slalom jibe ?

I am not yet at this level to perform lay down style jibe because I need to keep sail hight always get power in the sail all the time during the jibe.
Surprisingly even recently in 25-30 ktn wind

Possibly I do afraid to catch the waves when lowering sail too much.

So what is the main difference between gybe lay down and one with sail powered all the time ?

That will be my plan for this season . To learn this slalom, gybe




ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
3 Oct 2012 3:46PM
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Macroscien said...
If carve jibe = lay down = slalom jibe ?

I am not yet at this level to perform lay down style jibe because I need to keep sail hight always get power in the sail all the time during the jibe.
Surprisingly even recently in 25-30 ktn wind

Possibly I do afraid to catch the waves when lowering sail too much.

So what is the main difference between gybe lay down and one with sail powered all the time ?

That will be my plan for this season . To learn this slalom, gybe




He's demonstrating a regular gybe not a laydown.

This is a laydown gybe:


DanP
VIC, 286 posts
3 Oct 2012 3:58PM
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Here's Kato's version of a laydown... Dont use this as an instructional video!!!


Sorry Kato couldnt help myself...

dring44
WA, 38 posts
5 Oct 2012 2:19PM
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rather liked this one ^^

kato
VIC, 3513 posts
5 Oct 2012 8:33PM
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DanP said...
Here's Kato's version of a laydown... Dont use this as an instructional video!!!
Sorry Kato couldnt help myself...


This means WAR

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
6 Oct 2012 3:38PM
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dring44 said...


rather liked this one ^^


+1 Thats the one I have.. The carve gybes I'm aiming for are like his.. Am I aiming too high??

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
6 Oct 2012 3:44PM
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Coming out of the rig flip Cribby seems so much smoother than Jeb.

RumChaser
TAS, 629 posts
6 Oct 2012 6:17PM
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There's always another way to look at things and this is mine.
I think too much is made of the rig flip. If you are going downwind or something close to it, there is no wind in the sail therefore it doesn't matter what you do with it, it won't be pulling you through the water therefore it doesn't stop you from dropping off the plane. What stops the board from planing is poor weight positioning, (I'm talking about myself here, took a long time to realise this). If you have your weight back, pulling on the boom, you will be weighting the tail and instant drag. Unless you keep your weight forward you cannot keep going through the entire turn. I've found that if you get this part right, the sail flip just seems to happen with very little thought or effort. Doing the rig flip early or late really has little effect.
OK time to batten down and wait for incoming.



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