I'm curious if anyone has seen the 2020 Naish foil in the wild? Ridden one? www.naishfoils.com/product/windsurf-1150-foil-complete-abracadabra-or-deep-tuttle/

Robby does a good job in selling it here imo:

I just ordered one (less mast and Abracadabra fitting). Its waiting for me to pick up in California in a month :(

Yes I used one a few months ago. Definitely felt faster (1-2 knots better on GPS) and more angle upwind. Downside for me at 95kg was not as much glide through the lulls compared to my 2018 wing.

gpsteamchallenge.com.au/sailor_session/show?date=2019-12-09&team=9

Here is the 2018-2019 wing/fuse next to the 2020 wing/fuse.

Hmm, the fuse length doesn't look as long on the 2020 as I expected.

I don't have much problem getting the 2018 WS1 or the surf wing to fly, I'm hoping for a little more control with the new one.

Or maybe I should have saved my money and just foiled more!

The new fuse is about 150 mm longer than the old one.
There is definite improvement in height control.

I just realised who Robby was reminding me of in that video..... he sounds like Donald Trump.

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Harrow said..
I just realised who Robby was reminding me of in that video..... he sounds like Donald Trump.

thems be fighting words

I got mine.

Cool. Let us know how it goes.

It'll be a while, I'm in self isolation.

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remery said..
It'll be a while, I'm in self isolation.

sucks, hopefully nothing serious

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remery said..
It'll be a while, I'm in self isolation.

Take care!

Hey Shmish, yep I took the plunge and forked out for the whole package (end of season runout sale - heavily discounted). My original, learn to foil rig was the original Naish Hover and Thrust (now up for sale on Seabreeze) which was perfect to learn board stance and how to actually foil.
The new set-up Naish Micro and 2020 foil rig is a great progression, it's faster, smoother, points better up and downwind, less prone to catapults downwind, and has the scope to do some novice racing. I wouldn't consider it a beginners board/rig though. You need pretty quick reactions at times and it's not as forgiving as the previous model.
So far the only downside I can see is that in a decent chop a touch down can grab a bit due to the short nose. I can still tack on the board but you have to be quick.
The Abracadabra system is AWESOME, so much easier to rig.

Hey Belly. How does the new wing compare with the old with pumping onto the foil? I'm using the old wing with the new longer fuselage and new stabiliser.
Looking at getting the 1150 wing.

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Cremo said..
Hey Belly. How does the new wing compare with the old with pumping onto the foil? I'm using the old wing with the new longer fuselage and new stabiliser.
Looking at getting the 1150 wing.

I think, it's not different. But you'll definitely notice other improvements: Mores stable flights (less up and down tendencies), faster, feels more controllable in higher or gusty winds, better jibing ...

I like the sound of all that!

'18 Naish windfoiler.
New one sounds great coupled with slightly longer mast.

I liked the longer fuse so I ordered the 2020 windsurfing wing, fuse and new stab. I got it from Jordan's Windsurfing and Sup: I was amazed, received it the following day (today ) !
The wing is much lighter than the previous ones I had ( yellow hover and orange large one), the parts are compatible with the old masts and wings, only difference is the new fuse and stab have a different fixed attachments, so if you buy the new fuse, you need the new stab.
Will post my comments after I can try it

If you don't mind saying, how is the new fuselage different from the original?
I was thinking of the kitewing setup for some speed but worried about the shortness of my '18 fuselage.

it's longer by about 16 cms or a bit over 6 inches

The front is the same but the rear has a couple of threaded screw holes from the top. No adjustment like the earlier model.

Thank you very much. Hard to tell from website.
More to think about.

I had my first ever foil today on the new Naish foil and had a ball I was surprised how easy it was to use managed to get some long flights and the thing flies up wind, used it on my old 131 falcon with a 5.8m camless sail in 10-20 knots of wind. One thing though I didn't get the tool as in the video and the screws were still phillips head.

I got the tool and Torx screws, I might go for the Abracadabra fitting later. The screws worked ok, maybe not as solid a i thought. I got the feeling it would be just as easy to slip and damage as with Philips head. I use Tefgel on all of them given the bad experience I had last year!

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choco said..
One thing though I didn't get the tool as in the video and the screws were still phillips head.

That's why ya mate sold it cheap Choc
Great to see you picked it up so fast

I put marine grease and a few turns of teflon plumbers tape around the screws, never had issues with corrosion or seizing. One thing that happens is that the connection between the mast and the abracadabra head tend to get loose, make sure to tighten all your screws before each session and maybe even check in between runs. I replaced the phillips screws with hexagonal heads

So yesterday had the first try of the 2020. Wind was 12 to 20 knts. Stingray foil 140 board, 5.7 Kaos sail, front footstraps inboard and back, no rear footstraps, mast back, foil mast forward.
Compared with the large 2019 wing I was using before it takes a bit more speed to get up gradually, it is easier to control in the gusts, and my back leg felt a lot more comfortable. Max speed was around 16.5 which is one of my top speeds, and the best 5x10 and nm i ever did on a foil.
I am still learning so cannot give you any better feedback for now, if anyone has the same I would love to hear from them.

That seems awfully high wind for windfoiling.
At 170 lbs wet, in 13-21 mph wind and original Naish WS, I'd be very powered on 4.0 sail, not needing to pump the sail in 16 mph wind.
And I"d be fully wound on 95 liter freeride board and 5.7.
The 5.7 is for 6-14 mph, or 5-13 knot breezes.

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LeeD said..
That seems awfully high wind for windfoiling.
At 170 lbs wet, in 13-21 mph wind and original Naish WS, I'd be very powered on 4.0 sail, not needing to pump the sail in 16 mph wind.
And I"d be fully wound on 95 liter freeride board and 5.7.
The 5.7 is for 6-14 mph, or 5-13 knot breezes.

I've only ever had one foiling session wind was gusty 10-20knts (131litre board 79cm wide 245L) I weigh 100kg and could get going in the lighter gusts with a camless Loft 5.8 sail. Might try a 6.3 next time or something even bigger in lighter winds but once I get it totally sussed out I will look at getting a couple different front wings.

Yes, the weight would account for the difference and should be included in any sail size or foil size discussions.
Robbie weighs around 160 lbs.

2nd foil session wind maybe 12 knots in the gusts used an old loft blade 6.3 this time and harness lines, surprised I got it going, how big a sail could I run on that foil?