IMO if your going to copy a board from another shaper its never going to be as good unless the original sharper is sh-t.
From a meter away the fake and original may look similar in outline but its the things you can't see that make the difference.
Edges foils chimes rocker must work together.Unless you have the real board on hand or a copy of the file I can't see the fake
being close to the original.A shaper with many years experience could get it close but nothing is going to beat the orginal.

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Macaha said...

IMO if your going to copy a board from another shaper its never going to be as good unless the original sharper is sh-t.
From a meter away the fake and original may look similar in outline but its the things you can't see that make the difference.
Edges foils chimes rocker must work together.Unless you have the real board on hand or a copy of the file I can't see the fake
being close to the original.A shaper with many years experience could get it close but nothing is going to beat the orginal.

I concur, 100% on the money.

what if it is not a human reproducing it but a machine?

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SP said..
what if it is not a human reproducing it but a machine?

Mac said this, "Unless you have the real board on hand or a copy of the file I can't see the fake being close to the original."

:) Did you only skim read it, and miss this bit SP!?

"Copy of the file"... I think Mac was referring to the Computer Image File, that the shaping machine uses...

I recall some of the Narrabeen Boys trying to replicate the infamous Michael Peterson Kirra Cutback Board...
They agreed that they were a "very long way" off the mark... Once the real board was compared to it, you could see how far off the mark it was...

...

I think it was Andrew Kidman, or one of his mates... Or was it Neil Purchase Junior... I think it was Kidman related...
This supports Mac's point raised above!!!!! 1000%....

.... and .... I have a couple of Bob McTavish hand-shapes which are just keepers...

I'm always proud as punch carry this one under my arm (or feet!)... The Occasional Pin...
A Longboard Single Fin does turn some heads at Bells and Winki! ... Occasional heads turn with the thought of, "who's this f***er on the with the Longboard", when I surf it at Winki... ... But, I have countless comments and questions about that board from short board riders... I hang back and watch the surfing a little bit, rather that hog-out / pig-out on too many waves... Plus, it allows me to paddle out quickly to greet some big wide ones (normally clean up sets - but I can often bag a few bomb waves in a session)...

This hand-shape gets a load of comments... Vivid colour, and amazing stringer with faint black glue-up strips...

Comments include, "that board looks amazing against the waves waves"...
Another Bob Hand-shape that I am very proud of...
Longboard Gun, meets a Tracker, meets a Longboard...

But back on topic... ...

Mac is right about his hand-shape v's copy comments... with the qualifier of "unless you have a computer image file of the board"...

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Simondo said...

SP said..
what if it is not a human reproducing it but a machine?

Mac said this, "Unless you have the real board on hand or a copy of the file I can't see the fake being close to the original."

:) Did you only skim read it, and miss this bit SP!?

Yes, yes I did...

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SP said..

Simondo said...

SP said..
what if it is not a human reproducing it but a machine?

Mac said this, "Unless you have the real board on hand or a copy of the file I can't see the fake being close to the original."

:) Did you only skim read it, and miss this bit SP!?

Yes, yes I did...

Actually Mac is slightly wrong... If you have the computer file, you will get pretty close...

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Simondo said..
This hand-shape gets a load of comments... Vivid colour, and amazing stringer with faint black glue-up strips...

Comments include, "that board looks amazing against the waves waves"...
Another Bob Hand-shape that I am very proud of...
Longboard Gun, meets a Tracker, meets a Longboard...

Thats Sexy!

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Simondo said..

I'm always proud as punch carry this one under my arm (or feet!)... The Occasional Pin...
A Longboard Single Fin does turn some heads at Bells and Winki! ... Occasional heads turn with the thought of, "who's this f***er on the with the Longboard", when I surf it at Winki... ... But, I have countless comments and questions about that board from short board riders... I hang back and watch the surfing a little bit, rather that hog-out / pig-out on too many waves... Plus, it allows me to paddle out quickly to greet some big wide ones (normally clean up sets - but I can often bag a few bomb waves in a session)...

Nice

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SP said..

Simondo said...

SP said..
what if it is not a human reproducing it but a machine?

Mac said this, "Unless you have the real board on hand or a copy of the file I can't see the fake being close to the original."

:) Did you only skim read it, and miss this bit SP!?

Yes, yes I did...

Actually Mac is slightly wrong... If you have the computer file, you will get pretty close...

Maybe but I didn't wanna reread it,
I think even one of the programs will take a few different angle photos and turn it into a file.

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SP said...

Simondo said...

SP said..

Simondo said...

SP said..
what if it is not a human reproducing it but a machine?

Mac said this, "Unless you have the real board on hand or a copy of the file I can't see the fake being close to the original."

:) Did you only skim read it, and miss this bit SP!?

Yes, yes I did...

Actually Mac is slightly wrong... If you have the computer file, you will get pretty close...

Maybe but I didn't wanna reread it,
I think even one of the programs will take a few different angle photos and turn it into a file.

Mac is wrong not slightly....

.going on in another thread. Takayama is being sold as a proper ridgey didge board but the great man has not touched any boards in Australia.

But they would be so close to what he would have shaped....maybe.

I like watching a shaper do his thing. Git the blue walls and light looking for shadows,that I can understand.
The kicker is when it all looks good to him and he picks the board up,passes it through his hands like a 100 point checkpoint..... Then puts it back for a bit more of a sand as it did not feel right.

That experience and knowing "your " shapes

^ indeed Chrispy!
Happy New Years by the way Mate!
And to the rest of you...

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chrispy said..

SP said...

Simondo said...

SP said..

Simondo said...

SP said..
what if it is not a human reproducing it but a machine?

Mac said this, "Unless you have the real board on hand or a copy of the file I can't see the fake being close to the original."

:) Did you only skim read it, and miss this bit SP!?

Yes, yes I did...

Actually Mac is slightly wrong... If you have the computer file, you will get pretty close...

Maybe but I didn't wanna reread it,
I think even one of the programs will take a few different angle photos and turn it into a file.

Mac is wrong not slightly....

.going on in another thread. Takayama is being sold as a proper ridgey didge board but the great man has not touched any boards in Australia.

But they would be so close to what he would have shaped....maybe.

I like watching a shaper do his thing. Git the blue walls and light looking for shadows,that I can understand.
The kicker is when it all looks good to him and he picks the board up,passes it through his hands like a 100 point checkpoint..... Then puts it back for a bit more of a sand as it did not feel right.

That experience and knowing "your " shapes

Agreed, and as Simondo said, Happy New year to all and may you all be blessed with agreat year of surfing.

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chrispy said...

SP said...

Simondo said...

SP said..

Simondo said...

SP said..
what if it is not a human reproducing it but a machine?

Mac said this, "Unless you have the real board on hand or a copy of the file I can't see the fake being close to the original."

:) Did you only skim read it, and miss this bit SP!?

Yes, yes I did...

Actually Mac is slightly wrong... If you have the computer file, you will get pretty close...

Maybe but I didn't wanna reread it,
I think even one of the programs will take a few different angle photos and turn it into a file.

Mac is wrong not slightly....

.going on in another thread. Takayama is being sold as a proper ridgey didge board but the great man has not touched any boards in Australia.

But they would be so close to what he would have shaped....maybe.

I like watching a shaper do his thing. Git the blue walls and light looking for shadows,that I can understand.
The kicker is when it all looks good to him and he picks the board up,passes it through his hands like a 100 point checkpoint..... Then puts it back for a bit more of a sand as it did not feel right.

That experience and knowing "your " shapes

I believe Paul Hutchinson shapes Taks in Aus, or used to. so no slouch on the planer and I reckon a good shaper can pass on their knowledge to someone else, in the old days pre machines ghost shapers were all the go with the big labels.

So I reckon whilst not exact, pretty damn close.

If you think you are buying a board touched by Donald(rip) then your dumb enough to deserve it.. Let's call it the dumb **** tax

The US ones are Taks but his nephew shapes them and learnt from Donald so again pretty damn close, could the average bloke tell the difference???

But I agree will always be not the same as from the original but pretty close , and who cares isn't it about how the surf?

I reckon there is a big difference between a designer of boards and a bloke that can use a planner.

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SP said...

chrispy said...

SP said...

Simondo said...

SP said..

Simondo said...

SP said..
what if it is not a human reproducing it but a machine?

Mac said this, "Unless you have the real board on hand or a copy of the file I can't see the fake being close to the original."

:) Did you only skim read it, and miss this bit SP!?

Yes, yes I did...

Actually Mac is slightly wrong... If you have the computer file, you will get pretty close...

Maybe but I didn't wanna reread it,
I think even one of the programs will take a few different angle photos and turn it into a file.

Mac is wrong not slightly....

.going on in another thread. Takayama is being sold as a proper ridgey didge board but the great man has not touched any boards in Australia.

But they would be so close to what he would have shaped....maybe.

I like watching a shaper do his thing. Git the blue walls and light looking for shadows,that I can understand.
The kicker is when it all looks good to him and he picks the board up,passes it through his hands like a 100 point checkpoint..... Then puts it back for a bit more of a sand as it did not feel right.

That experience and knowing "your " shapes

I believe Paul Hutchinson shapes Taks in Aus, or used to. so no slouch on the planer and I reckon a good shaper can pass on their knowledge to someone else, in the old days pre machines ghost shapers were all the go with the big labels.

So I reckon whilst not exact, pretty damn close.

If you think you are buying a board touched by Donald(rip) then your dumb enough to deserve it.. Let's call it the dumb **** tax

The US ones are Taks but his nephew shapes them and learnt from Donald so again pretty damn close, could the average bloke tell the difference???

But I agree will always be not the same as from the original but pretty close , and who cares isn't it about how the surf?

I reckon there is a big difference between a designer of boards and a bloke that can use a planner.

And at the end of the day a brilliantly shaped board will be ruined if the sander is crap.....the sander will make or break a board....or will he

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Macaha said..
IMO if your going to copy a board from another shaper its never going to be as good unless the original sharper is sh-t.
From a meter away the fake and original may look similar in outline but its the things you can't see that make the difference.
Edges foils chimes rocker must work together.Unless you have the real board on hand or a copy of the file I can't see the fake
being close to the original.A shaper with many years experience could get it close but nothing is going to beat the orginal.

So why not get yourself an Original for your next board Mac ?

plenty of thumbs for that topic mac,first off who are the hand shapers these days,most of the boards i know of are machined.

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firstpoint said..
plenty of thumbs for that topic mac,first off who are the hand shapers these days,most of the boards i know of are machined.

Laughing at the reds.

In no way was I refering the guy who makes boards in his garage or a couple as a hobby.

I was talking about for example a Campbell Brothers type of board and others.I've heard of
guys taking boards to shapers to copy,as I said IMO its a fake and will never be like for like.


Peace out haters.

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smh said..

Macaha said..
IMO if your going to copy a board from another shaper its never going to be as good unless the original sharper is sh-t.
From a meter away the fake and original may look similar in outline but its the things you can't see that make the difference.
Edges foils chimes rocker must work together.Unless you have the real board on hand or a copy of the file I can't see the fake
being close to the original.A shaper with many years experience could get it close but nothing is going to beat the orginal.

So why not get yourself an Original for your next board Mac ?

Not sure what your on about smh?

there was a good story in the hackman book about trying to reproduce a magic board in Hawaii,his shaper mates never did get it a second time not even the original shaper.

While talking rocker with Mark Ogram I found out he used to ghost shape Al Byrne's Burning Spears in the early 80s. He was shaping in one town and another ghost shaper was shaping in another town and he reckons when you put the two boards of the same model together you could hardly tell the difference. Both of them had been trained and tuned in by Byrne.

So I reckon, replicating from a photo? No chance because there are just too many variables. Replicating from a board? Every chance.

Having said that, when millimetres of concave and vee make a huge difference in performance, then truly replicating a board becomes an almost impossible task even for the original shaper hand finishing machine shapes of his designs. Hand shaping becomes even more problematic.

Tom Hoye has copied one of my twin fins he shaped six times and he always prefaces to my mates (add Californian accent), "Oh man, they're all different, but I'll get close with your shooter, but it won't be the same."

An experienced shaper should be able to come up with a good interpretation of a theme though, based on an outline. I don't believe Brewer is the only decent gun shaper, McTavish is the only longboard shaper, or Mark Richards the only twin fin shaper.

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firstpoint said...
there was a good story in the hackman book about trying to reproduce a magic board in Hawaii,his shaper mates never did get it a second time not even the original shaper.

You posted while I was typing the above and that is my point.

Exactly.

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thedrip said..
So I reckon, replicating from a photo? No chance because there are just too many variables. Replicating from a board? Every chance.

Well said. Especially this part - if we are talking a good craftsman.

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Macaha said...

smh said..

Macaha said..
IMO if your going to copy a board from another shaper its never going to be as good unless the original sharper is sh-t.
From a meter away the fake and original may look similar in outline but its the things you can't see that make the difference.
Edges foils chimes rocker must work together.Unless you have the real board on hand or a copy of the file I can't see the fake
being close to the original.A shaper with many years experience could get it close but nothing is going to beat the orginal.

So why not get yourself an Original for your next board Mac ?

Not sure what your on about smh?

it was all about your last sentence Mac . Maybe try an Original model .

Very witty smh

he's right you know