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laceys lane said..
If a shaper offers customs he must be open to customer ideas.
If hes not . Dont offer the service .
His job is to correlate all the input and make it work.

I always start with "Ignore me - don't let me wreck the board."

i do that because a shaper listened to me and wrecked a board. He tried warning me, but ultimately did what I suggested.

I also know a shaper - not the one I work for - who admits nodding his head, agreeing, then doing what he thinks will work. He also admitted to me that he sometimes fakes what he puts on the stringer as far as dimensions go. He doesn't do it a lot, but vet occasionally when he gets a fool like me who is adamant they want to wreck the board.

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laceys lane said..
If a shaper offers customs he must be open to customer ideas.
If hes not . Dont offer the service .
His job is to correlate all the input and make it work.

I always start with "Ignore me - don't let me wreck the board."

i do that because a shaper listened to me and wrecked a board. He tried warning me, but ultimately did what I suggested.

I also know a shaper - not the one I work for - who admits nodding his head, agreeing, then doing what he thinks will work. He also admitted to me that he sometimes fakes what he puts on the stringer as far as dimensions go. He doesn't do it a lot, but vet occasionally when he gets a fool like me who is adamant they want to wreck the board.

So what you are saying is that we should never buy a used board from you.

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SP said..

onefin said..
Hey hydro,

Happy to talk long fish, I have two ..... There you go, it's not just cuttlefish who is a board whore (in my defence, I am a boutique hipster board whore rather than just the common variety)

I got an 8-oh vouch vish last winter to replace a 9ft single fin.. it's a great Longboard replacement and I rode it a lot through spring and early summer. I find it quicker and as a consequence more responsive- but you do have to surf it off the tail.

It's such a barrel of fun I ordered a 6"10 vouch mid vish with glassed on keels for Xmas. For a 6'10 it's very refined and has a nice curve to the planshape. Cuttles has had a fondle and I am sure will agree.

The reason I mentioned the curves is because curvey boards turn, right? So when I want to rip and tear ... Or carve shall we say, I grab the 6'10. Nice amount of foam under my chest and the pulled in tail ensures there is no slide... Well the massive glassed in keels also help no doubt. I ride it thigh and up, with a bit of shape and push. The 8-oh generally softer conditions up to chest high- too much foam for me to duck dive.

The Fitzy long fish looks nice, I saw the footage at ulu s and it was flying. One I personally would stay away from is the Christensen phish.,. Too chunky and the tail is too wide IMO.

I saw cuttles in action on his mega cv2 and it was a board he should not have sold. Gary is great to deal with, he LL make you whatever and it will be light and high performance. I have seen his long fish up to 7"5

Hope this helps

I have a christenson nautilus. Not chunky at all. I guess you mean the actual fish not the nautilus. Don't think the fish are really designed to be stretched out to mid length size. They are a proper fish, short and wide is the go.

Nautilus Surfs really good. Great all round board. Paddles great, generates speed easy and turns great. Quad not twin though. There is some footage of a twin version with pros riding it in Hawaii and looks good. I'm not a big fan of twins.

I like the look of the nautilus and fondled a few in onboard, I was referring to a long fish that Christensen has just started making called the phish.... It's probably designed for a flatter San Diego wave than an East coast beachie anyways

Ah, yeah forgot about that one.. I asked on insta about the difference in outlines between them and the Nautilus and they said they were similar but the phish is wider on the nose and tail. Think you could be right that they were designed for flatter style waves.

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Ricooso said..
Just new to this room and loving the midlength discussion. First time poster also, so i apologise in advance for any misdoings.

Looking at getting a midlenght and after some thoughts please.

Im 54 and currently downsizing from 100kg, first goal 95 and stand 170cm. Been surfing since early teens (performance shortboards). Lost my mojo 10 years or so back and quit, but buying a flat water SUP eventually lead me down the path to SUP surfing for the last 5 years in pretty much the same conditions that I used to surf in, without the suckier reefs or crowded angry points for obvious reasons LOL.

Made the switch back to shortboards 6 months or so back, starting with a 6'6 CatchSurf quad foamie 55L, then picked up a 6'8 JS Raging Bull step up 45.7L and lastly a Machado Seaside Quad 6'1 46.5L. Have had some fun waves on them all but for my local beach and surrounds (Wanda, Garie the Gong down to Bawley) Im thinking that a midlength is going to round out my quiver.
I'm at home laying down drawn out cutties, low bottom turns and love to draw 8's all day if possible:) So looking for a mid that will get me there.

From what i have read here, I'm thinking around the 7'2-7'6 length, with some entry and exit V, (single to double concave?). Not too flat in the rocker for steeper hollower waves but not too much rocker for smaller beach days?
I have already invested in a couple of different keel quad fin sets, so thinking of maybe going with the 5 fin option, to play with quad or twin options. Most here seem to love the 2+1 setup, mmmm what to do?
Also keen on light to medium swallow tails, but don't mind a rounded pin either.

These are my thoughts on what might suit me best so far but open to suggestions please.

Can anyone recommend and surf shops, in the Illawarra region, that have a good selection of mid's?
Have been keeping an eye on here and Gumtree also. If anyone has seen or knows of anything similar to these available anywhere, please let me know also.

The two pics below are of boards that have REALLY caught my eye as lovely specimens of midlenghts.
I think that the top one is only a 3 fin setup though?

Finally picked up my custom Mid Length today YEW:) Its a WizStix 7'0, 21 1/2", 2 7/8". Will be riding it as a quad using Al Merrick PC Aircore Tri-Quad fins. Just a little more time for curing, then its on!

Got some curve in there

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Ricooso said..

Ricooso said..
Just new to this room and loving the midlength discussion. First time poster also, so i apologise in advance for any misdoings.

Looking at getting a midlenght and after some thoughts please.

Im 54 and currently downsizing from 100kg, first goal 95 and stand 170cm. Been surfing since early teens (performance shortboards). Lost my mojo 10 years or so back and quit, but buying a flat water SUP eventually lead me down the path to SUP surfing for the last 5 years in pretty much the same conditions that I used to surf in, without the suckier reefs or crowded angry points for obvious reasons LOL.

Made the switch back to shortboards 6 months or so back, starting with a 6'6 CatchSurf quad foamie 55L, then picked up a 6'8 JS Raging Bull step up 45.7L and lastly a Machado Seaside Quad 6'1 46.5L. Have had some fun waves on them all but for my local beach and surrounds (Wanda, Garie the Gong down to Bawley) Im thinking that a midlength is going to round out my quiver.
I'm at home laying down drawn out cutties, low bottom turns and love to draw 8's all day if possible:) So looking for a mid that will get me there.

From what i have read here, I'm thinking around the 7'2-7'6 length, with some entry and exit V, (single to double concave?). Not too flat in the rocker for steeper hollower waves but not too much rocker for smaller beach days?
I have already invested in a couple of different keel quad fin sets, so thinking of maybe going with the 5 fin option, to play with quad or twin options. Most here seem to love the 2+1 setup, mmmm what to do?
Also keen on light to medium swallow tails, but don't mind a rounded pin either.

These are my thoughts on what might suit me best so far but open to suggestions please.

Can anyone recommend and surf shops, in the Illawarra region, that have a good selection of mid's?
Have been keeping an eye on here and Gumtree also. If anyone has seen or knows of anything similar to these available anywhere, please let me know also.

The two pics below are of boards that have REALLY caught my eye as lovely specimens of midlenghts.
I think that the top one is only a 3 fin setup though?

Finally picked up my custom Mid Length today YEW:) Its a WizStix 7'0, 21 1/2", 2 7/8". Will be riding it as a quad using Al Merrick PC Aircore Tri-Quad fins. Just a little more time for curing, then its on!

Work of art dude.

Even nicer looking than the cosmic twin and with lots of fin options.

What a cracker.

Righto just an update on the Webber Diamond.

As most know I am riding a 6'10 with the large flexy Sanctum twins, about 170mm tall, so fairly big boys.

Went for a ride 100km north of my usual haunt because a new app I found tells me the exact swell size and wave size for different locations. Today it predicted wave between 3 to 6 foot and it was spot on.

The spot I went too is a bit of a locals secret so I can't say exactly where it is, but it's a couple of reef breaking lefts with an occasional right. It runs anywhere from 40 to about 100m max and walls up very nice.

Back to the Diamond. Damn, damn damn damn damn damn damn that thing is the sweetest riding board I have ever ridden, not that I have ridden a lot mind you. Anything and everything that I wanted to do it simply complied and followed my lead like a well trained dog.

Not saying I shredded or anything, in fact I kooked quite a few with late drops. But I got around 20 plus clean and long lefties to day that gave me a true indication of what lies beneath in the Diamond. Cutbacks, re-entries, floaters and a beautiful, natural and easy pump to generate speed, Was not entirely sure if the twins would give me that feed back but they did in spades, and grip, a nice release through the tail when you jammed your back foot over the fins, and a fluid rail to rail when you rode further forward. Never once felt sketchy or unpredictable on any size or power wave except on a knee drop into a barrel, then it let loose a bit but I was leaning heavily forward.

Only thing that nearly spoiled the session where some young bloods who kept dropping in on everyone. I lost 4 good rides and an amazing right to to one of them. In the end I fronted them up and told them to pull their heads in or the older crew would deal with them, fortunately everyone backed me up and 5 mins later the two dogs had left the car park.

After that it was all good manners and a lot of laughs, everyone got a slice of the action and went home smiling.

So if anyone is chasing a mid length that has a mountain of hidden potential have a look at the Webber diamond. Not as pretty as say the Cosmic Twin or Ricooso WizStix blue bombshell, but a heap of awesome fun at a reasonable cost.

And FYI I have not changed jobs from SBWH to Webber

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Ricooso said..
Just new to this room and loving the midlength discussion. First time poster also, so i apologise in advance for any misdoings.

Looking at getting a midlenght and after some thoughts please.

Im 54 and currently downsizing from 100kg, first goal 95 and stand 170cm. Been surfing since early teens (performance shortboards). Lost my mojo 10 years or so back and quit, but buying a flat water SUP eventually lead me down the path to SUP surfing for the last 5 years in pretty much the same conditions that I used to surf in, without the suckier reefs or crowded angry points for obvious reasons LOL.

Made the switch back to shortboards 6 months or so back, starting with a 6'6 CatchSurf quad foamie 55L, then picked up a 6'8 JS Raging Bull step up 45.7L and lastly a Machado Seaside Quad 6'1 46.5L. Have had some fun waves on them all but for my local beach and surrounds (Wanda, Garie the Gong down to Bawley) Im thinking that a midlength is going to round out my quiver.
I'm at home laying down drawn out cutties, low bottom turns and love to draw 8's all day if possible:) So looking for a mid that will get me there.

From what i have read here, I'm thinking around the 7'2-7'6 length, with some entry and exit V, (single to double concave?). Not too flat in the rocker for steeper hollower waves but not too much rocker for smaller beach days?
I have already invested in a couple of different keel quad fin sets, so thinking of maybe going with the 5 fin option, to play with quad or twin options. Most here seem to love the 2+1 setup, mmmm what to do?
Also keen on light to medium swallow tails, but don't mind a rounded pin either.

These are my thoughts on what might suit me best so far but open to suggestions please.

Can anyone recommend and surf shops, in the Illawarra region, that have a good selection of mid's?
Have been keeping an eye on here and Gumtree also. If anyone has seen or knows of anything similar to these available anywhere, please let me know also.

The two pics below are of boards that have REALLY caught my eye as lovely specimens of midlenghts.
I think that the top one is only a 3 fin setup though?

Finally picked up my custom Mid Length today YEW:) Its a WizStix 7'0, 21 1/2", 2 7/8". Will be riding it as a quad using Al Merrick PC Aircore Tri-Quad fins. Just a little more time for curing, then its on!

Just noticed the rails at the tail. Not exactly what we used to call flyers but very interesting design concept.

Care to explain the shapers mindset on these for us?

That wiz is very nice.. Is it the superfish 2.. Love the look of the double flyer..

Anyone been down the asym road? Don't mind the look of these

Yeah they look fun. I was actually in the process of ordering a stubbed down Townsend Twin but ended up going with one of their other Asyms instead. Hopefully picking it up in a couple weeks....that's if they don't put domestic travel bans in place which wouldn't surprise me at this point

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That wiz is very nice.. Is it the superfish 2.. Love the look of the double flyer..

Anyone been down the asym road? Don't mind the look of these

Looks mildly deviant

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Toobz said..
Yeah they look fun. I was actually in the process of ordering a stubbed down Townsend Twin but ended up going with one of their other Asyms instead. Hopefully picking it up in a couple weeks....that's if they don't put domestic travel bans in place which wouldn't surprise me at this point

Sweet. Hope you can get there and get it. Let us know how it goes please. Which model and dims did you end up going?

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laceys lane said..

SP said..
That wiz is very nice.. Is it the superfish 2.. Love the look of the double flyer..

Anyone been down the asym road? Don't mind the look of these

Looks mildly deviant

NA that's the bulldog model

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Toobz said..
Yeah they look fun. I was actually in the process of ordering a stubbed down Townsend Twin but ended up going with one of their other Asyms instead. Hopefully picking it up in a couple weeks....that's if they don't put domestic travel bans in place which wouldn't surprise me at this point

Sweet. Hope you can get there and get it. Let us know how it goes please. Which model and dims did you end up going?

I ended up ordering an Insanity Asym. Looked at the Townsend and Disasym and felt the Insanity was a good middle ground. Apparently it's a good all rounder to step up. This one will be Twin toe side/Quad heal side. 6'2 x 19 1/2 x 2 1/2

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Hydromann said..

Ricooso said..

Ricooso said..
Just new to this room and loving the midlength discussion. First time poster also, so i apologise in advance for any misdoings.

Looking at getting a midlenght and after some thoughts please.

Im 54 and currently downsizing from 100kg, first goal 95 and stand 170cm. Been surfing since early teens (performance shortboards). Lost my mojo 10 years or so back and quit, but buying a flat water SUP eventually lead me down the path to SUP surfing for the last 5 years in pretty much the same conditions that I used to surf in, without the suckier reefs or crowded angry points for obvious reasons LOL.

Made the switch back to shortboards 6 months or so back, starting with a 6'6 CatchSurf quad foamie 55L, then picked up a 6'8 JS Raging Bull step up 45.7L and lastly a Machado Seaside Quad 6'1 46.5L. Have had some fun waves on them all but for my local beach and surrounds (Wanda, Garie the Gong down to Bawley) Im thinking that a midlength is going to round out my quiver.
I'm at home laying down drawn out cutties, low bottom turns and love to draw 8's all day if possible:) So looking for a mid that will get me there.

From what i have read here, I'm thinking around the 7'2-7'6 length, with some entry and exit V, (single to double concave?). Not too flat in the rocker for steeper hollower waves but not too much rocker for smaller beach days?
I have already invested in a couple of different keel quad fin sets, so thinking of maybe going with the 5 fin option, to play with quad or twin options. Most here seem to love the 2+1 setup, mmmm what to do?
Also keen on light to medium swallow tails, but don't mind a rounded pin either.

These are my thoughts on what might suit me best so far but open to suggestions please.

Can anyone recommend and surf shops, in the Illawarra region, that have a good selection of mid's?
Have been keeping an eye on here and Gumtree also. If anyone has seen or knows of anything similar to these available anywhere, please let me know also.

The two pics below are of boards that have REALLY caught my eye as lovely specimens of midlenghts.
I think that the top one is only a 3 fin setup though?

Finally picked up my custom Mid Length today YEW:) Its a WizStix 7'0, 21 1/2", 2 7/8". Will be riding it as a quad using Al Merrick PC Aircore Tri-Quad fins. Just a little more time for curing, then its on!

Just noticed the rails at the tail. Not exactly what we used to call flyers but very interesting design concept.

Care to explain the shapers mindset on these for us?

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Hydromann said..

Ricooso said..

Ricooso said..
Just new to this room and loving the midlength discussion. First time poster also, so i apologise in advance for any misdoings.

Looking at getting a midlenght and after some thoughts please.

Im 54 and currently downsizing from 100kg, first goal 95 and stand 170cm. Been surfing since early teens (performance shortboards). Lost my mojo 10 years or so back and quit, but buying a flat water SUP eventually lead me down the path to SUP surfing for the last 5 years in pretty much the same conditions that I used to surf in, without the suckier reefs or crowded angry points for obvious reasons LOL.

Made the switch back to shortboards 6 months or so back, starting with a 6'6 CatchSurf quad foamie 55L, then picked up a 6'8 JS Raging Bull step up 45.7L and lastly a Machado Seaside Quad 6'1 46.5L. Have had some fun waves on them all but for my local beach and surrounds (Wanda, Garie the Gong down to Bawley) Im thinking that a midlength is going to round out my quiver.
I'm at home laying down drawn out cutties, low bottom turns and love to draw 8's all day if possible:) So looking for a mid that will get me there.

From what i have read here, I'm thinking around the 7'2-7'6 length, with some entry and exit V, (single to double concave?). Not too flat in the rocker for steeper hollower waves but not too much rocker for smaller beach days?
I have already invested in a couple of different keel quad fin sets, so thinking of maybe going with the 5 fin option, to play with quad or twin options. Most here seem to love the 2+1 setup, mmmm what to do?
Also keen on light to medium swallow tails, but don't mind a rounded pin either.

These are my thoughts on what might suit me best so far but open to suggestions please.

Can anyone recommend and surf shops, in the Illawarra region, that have a good selection of mid's?
Have been keeping an eye on here and Gumtree also. If anyone has seen or knows of anything similar to these available anywhere, please let me know also.

The two pics below are of boards that have REALLY caught my eye as lovely specimens of midlenghts.
I think that the top one is only a 3 fin setup though?

Finally picked up my custom Mid Length today YEW:) Its a WizStix 7'0, 21 1/2", 2 7/8". Will be riding it as a quad using Al Merrick PC Aircore Tri-Quad fins. Just a little more time for curing, then its on!

Just noticed the rails at the tail. Not exactly what we used to call flyers but very interesting design concept.

Care to explain the shapers mindset on these for us?

When I was talking to Gary about the tail shape, he mentioned that it was a sort of flyer or more so a hip. The design concept is to reduce the tail width for better release as well as better hold at size. That mixed with the pronounced swallow tail, that he says also helps with the tail's hold and release.
Looks dam sexy if you ask me LOL. Think I'll need to toad trip next weekend to test it out on my favourite left point. Tons of swell atm, just hope it can hold on during the week.
Going to hold off putting a tail pad on it for a while, until I figure out where I'm consistently planting my rear foot, to utilise the patch's block. Was thinking that after I've felt the board out, then I'll wear a bootie on my rear foot and check out where the tread pattern is, to work out how far forward to place it.

LOL

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Righto just an update on the Webber Diamond.

As most know I am riding a 6'10 with the large flexy Sanctum twins, about 170mm tall, so fairly big boys.

Went for a ride 100km north of my usual haunt because a new app I found tells me the exact swell size and wave size for different locations. Today it predicted wave between 3 to 6 foot and it was spot on.

The spot I went too is a bit of a locals secret so I can't say exactly where it is, but it's a couple of reef breaking lefts with an occasional right. It runs anywhere from 40 to about 100m max and walls up very nice.

Back to the Diamond. Damn, damn damn damn damn damn damn that thing is the sweetest riding board I have ever ridden, not that I have ridden a lot mind you. Anything and everything that I wanted to do it simply complied and followed my lead like a well trained dog.

Not saying I shredded or anything, in fact I kooked quite a few with late drops. But I got around 20 plus clean and long lefties to day that gave me a true indication of what lies beneath in the Diamond. Cutbacks, re-entries, floaters and a beautiful, natural and easy pump to generate speed, Was not entirely sure if the twins would give me that feed back but they did in spades, and grip, a nice release through the tail when you jammed your back foot over the fins, and a fluid rail to rail when you rode further forward. Never once felt sketchy or unpredictable on any size or power wave except on a knee drop into a barrel, then it let loose a bit but I was leaning heavily forward.

Only thing that nearly spoiled the session where some young bloods who kept dropping in on everyone. I lost 4 good rides and an amazing right to to one of them. In the end I fronted them up and told them to pull their heads in or the older crew would deal with them, fortunately everyone backed me up and 5 mins later the two dogs had left the car park.

After that it was all good manners and a lot of laughs, everyone got a slice of the action and went home smiling.

So if anyone is chasing a mid length that has a mountain of hidden potential have a look at the Webber diamond. Not as pretty as say the Cosmic Twin or Ricooso WizStix blue bombshell, but a heap of awesome fun at a reasonable cost.

And FYI I have not changed jobs from SBWH to Webber

Awesome to hear you're stoked with the diamond
It's great when you get a new board that just suits the wave and your style (or approach to riding it)

I went with the swallow nose, should see all the thumbs up and smiles I get at the beach!

Having a great time on my 7'2 bonzer speed egg, really smooth and glidey but can still put it on rail for some drawn out carves. Havnt surfed my 6'2 in the two weeks I've already been over here, one board traveller for sure

Looking forward to putting the pedal to the metal on a few with the 7' Sea gypsy tomorrow morning at a local point since the buoys are jumping up nicely.

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That wiz is very nice.. Is it the superfish 2.. Love the look of the double flyer..

Anyone been down the asym road? Don't mind the look of these

Hey SP, the model is a Stepdeck Fish. I think that it's the same model that Gary, sold the design dims for, which became the 7S.

Groovetube

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MickPC said..
Groovetube

Best post ever.

and shows it may as well be all about the art.

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groovtube said..
I went with the swallow nose, should see all the thumbs up and smiles I get at the beach!

Groovetube, get yours circumcised and you can be like the hippy dick

Oh and I don't think yours belongs in the mid length discussion, it looks a little stumpy compared to ours. I should know because I've likely got the smallest one here.

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MickPC said..
Groovetube

That bloke can really ride a dick.

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Ricooso said..

SP said..
That wiz is very nice.. Is it the superfish 2.. Love the look of the double flyer..

Anyone been down the asym road? Don't mind the look of these

Hey SP, the model is a Stepdeck Fish. I think that it's the same model that Gary, sold the design dims for, which became the 7S.

Yeah looked similar. There is a reason they sold so many of them. Great design.

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515 said..

Hydromann said..
Righto just an update on the Webber Diamond.

As most know I am riding a 6'10 with the large flexy Sanctum twins, about 170mm tall, so fairly big boys.

Went for a ride 100km north of my usual haunt because a new app I found tells me the exact swell size and wave size for different locations. Today it predicted wave between 3 to 6 foot and it was spot on.

The spot I went too is a bit of a locals secret so I can't say exactly where it is, but it's a couple of reef breaking lefts with an occasional right. It runs anywhere from 40 to about 100m max and walls up very nice.

Back to the Diamond. Damn, damn damn damn damn damn damn that thing is the sweetest riding board I have ever ridden, not that I have ridden a lot mind you. Anything and everything that I wanted to do it simply complied and followed my lead like a well trained dog.

Not saying I shredded or anything, in fact I kooked quite a few with late drops. But I got around 20 plus clean and long lefties to day that gave me a true indication of what lies beneath in the Diamond. Cutbacks, re-entries, floaters and a beautiful, natural and easy pump to generate speed, Was not entirely sure if the twins would give me that feed back but they did in spades, and grip, a nice release through the tail when you jammed your back foot over the fins, and a fluid rail to rail when you rode further forward. Never once felt sketchy or unpredictable on any size or power wave except on a knee drop into a barrel, then it let loose a bit but I was leaning heavily forward.

Only thing that nearly spoiled the session where some young bloods who kept dropping in on everyone. I lost 4 good rides and an amazing right to to one of them. In the end I fronted them up and told them to pull their heads in or the older crew would deal with them, fortunately everyone backed me up and 5 mins later the two dogs had left the car park.

After that it was all good manners and a lot of laughs, everyone got a slice of the action and went home smiling.

So if anyone is chasing a mid length that has a mountain of hidden potential have a look at the Webber diamond. Not as pretty as say the Cosmic Twin or Ricooso WizStix blue bombshell, but a heap of awesome fun at a reasonable cost.

And FYI I have not changed jobs from SBWH to Webber

Awesome to hear you're stoked with the diamond
It's great when you get a new board that just suits the wave and your style (or approach to riding it)

Cheers 515, think I have found the size range and volume as well as the shape and fin config that just clicks for me. having said that I would not balk at trying any others from 6'6 through to 7'2 and around 42 - 46L. And personally I reckon it would take a dog of a hatchet shaping job to really stuff up how a board in that range performed.

Dick board being a classic example of the shaping licence that people take and yet I get bagged out for stating that shaping details are mindful considerations in the overall design and performance of a board?

My philosophy is that if a surfer has the basic concepts of movement down properly from riding a board(s) that demands development of them, then you can whack any piece of foam under their feet and it will shred. That surfer will be able to compensate for shortcomings of rail catching, less speed generation etc. and still bring the thing to life.

Put KS on a 60's short board and he will still shred it with all of it's inherent flaws, put Beau Young on a SBWH or Snactum claimed bitch, poxy, bastard boards and he still shreds.

Put me on a well designed modern board, and I still don't shred

But have a damned lot more fun trying.

Surfed my 7' Tajen for the first time with the Webber flex twins and a KS red knubster in well overhead point waves this morning.
Up until now I'd only used the Webber twins in the 6'6" but not the 7'er.
I was going to sell it since I now have a Sea gypsy 7'er as well. Even went so far as putting it on Gumtree.
But and here's the clincher...those Webber twins just light that board up for me. It feels good as a quad or with Sanctum Modii twins and a trailer but using the Webber twins in it just make it feels so much better.
Got back in my van post surf and straight away deleted my ad for the board...at this point in time the Sea gypsy is the lesser of the 2 boards for me.
Going to start experimenting with fins a bit more on the sea gypsy to see if I can coax some magic out of it.

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Cuttlefish said..
Surfed my 7' Tajen for the first time with the Webber flex twins and a KS red knubster in well overhead point waves this morning.
Up until now I'd only used the Webber twins in the 6'6" but not the 7'er.
I was going to sell it since I now have a Sea gypsy 7'er as well. Even went so far as putting it on Gumtree.
But and here's the clincher...those Webber twins just light that board up for me. It feels good as a quad or with Sanctum Modii twins and a trailer but using the Webber twins in it just make it feels so much better.
Got back in my van post surf and straight away deleted my ad for the board...at this point in time the Sea gypsy is the lesser of the 2 boards for me.
Going to start experimenting with fins a bit more on the sea gypsy to see if I can coax some magic out of it.

Stick the Soar (Webber) twins or the Sanctum large flex twins in the Gypsy with the nubster for a direct compare.

I'm yet to try any other fin combo in my Webber and reticent to do so because of how good the large sanctums went. Got a thruster set up and some quads to try but just can't bring myself to do it because I don't want to miss a wave with the flexy twins. They just light up and give so much feel and response.

Old mate (70 YO local) was gobsmacked at how tight a 6'10 could turn and the rippa arch of the cut backs. I was expecting some slide from them because in the Webber they are set quite far forward, but nothing, just a nice progressive bite and kick back to straight with a bit of power and drive.

If your Tajen came alive with the Webbers hang on to her at least until you give the same set up a crack in the Gypsy.

Amazing how much difference a set of fins can make to a ****e box, import piece of crap surfboard hey

What I like with the twins, or even quads on a mid length is the pivot from sitting and when you first pop up. With a big single you need to apply a lot more energy to swing the board around to catch an opportunity wave, and if not fast enough you can miss it. But with the twins it just pivots around on a dime and with ease to get you pointed in the right direction fast, and then when you have the wave earlier than most others you can do a nice quick pivot to the lip on take off to cut off the dogs on their shorties that are trying to drop in on you. Than bam drop down the face fast as they get sucked over the falls behind you

Can't remember who said it a while back but it was one of the more famous shapers and designers. They stated that once on a wave and planing then the fins actually contributed more than 50% to the overall performance of the board, and that the design of the tail and the placement of the fins where mindful considerations.

This does not mean that the overall design is not important, things like hull shape and displacement efficiency when paddling to allow the board to plane quickly and pick up waves easily, turn easily etc are all very important as well. But when it comes to engaging with the wave the fins have a very significant effect.

I'm actually thinking of using the box fillers in my empty slots because I'm surf that it will go even better with a completely smooth bottom.

Good luck with the decisions that lay ahead for you CF, you might get lucky selling the Gypsy on Gumtree but there have been a couple on there already as well as some Cosmic twins.

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