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laceys lane said..

Cuttlefish said..
This is the clip I was first thinking of.
www.bing.com/videos/search?q=webber+double+diamond&&view=detail&mid=25938300FAA50475B3E925938300FAA50475B3E9&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dwebber%2Bdouble%2Bdiamond%26FORM%3DHDRSC3
Was on my phone before and didn't see it so posted the other one.

Geez. I want now

I know right. This is what I was first chasing but couldn't find.

And at the risk of causing another stir is why I went the CJet. The bottom shape, rails, plane shape etc are very close to the Diamond, and it gave me the fin locations to mix up as well. Main difference is that the Diamond had a bit more rocker, which is likely why the Jet would feel heavier in the turns.

To get the Jet to the same fin set up all I need to do is to pop in a couple of new plugs, and save up for a set of Soars.

Sorry Jet rant over.

I can get the diamond at a good price, think I'll need to hit up the sort term money lender and put the Jet up as security.

Update, just sold the Jet for exactly what I was asking to be able to buy the Diamond.

Bugger, now I got nothing to ride until I get some Soar or Sanctum fins.

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Hydromann said..
Update, just sold the Jet for exactly what I was asking to be able to buy the Diamond.

Bugger, now I got nothing to ride until I get some Soar or Sanctum fins.

Really I'm sure I read in one of your posts you loved the jet?

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Macaha said..

Hydromann said..
Update, just sold the Jet for exactly what I was asking to be able to buy the Diamond.

Bugger, now I got nothing to ride until I get some Soar or Sanctum fins.

Really I'm sure I read in one of your posts you loved the jet?

You sure about that?

I do love the CJet, it has been awesome for what I paid and needed.

But from the get go I wanted the Diamond but didn't have the coin.

Then opportunity came knocking for one of the very few times in my life.

Don't worry, I'll staunchly defend and board I buy

So how long do you have wait, I mean not one board to surf must suck.

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laceys lane said..

Cuttlefish said..
This is the clip I was first thinking of.
www.bing.com/videos/search?q=webber+double+diamond&&view=detail&mid=25938300FAA50475B3E925938300FAA50475B3E9&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dwebber%2Bdouble%2Bdiamond%26FORM%3DHDRSC3
Was on my phone before and didn't see it so posted the other one.

Geez. I want now

Webber has always been a good salesman. people invested in his wavepool .

But Great shaping brain, they do look interesting, would like a ride on one.

Anyone know if there is any differences between the diamond and double diamond.

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SP said..

laceys lane said..

Cuttlefish said..
This is the clip I was first thinking of.
www.bing.com/videos/search?q=webber+double+diamond&&view=detail&mid=25938300FAA50475B3E925938300FAA50475B3E9&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dwebber%2Bdouble%2Bdiamond%26FORM%3DHDRSC3
Was on my phone before and didn't see it so posted the other one.

Geez. I want now

Webber has always been a good salesman. people invested in his wavepool .

But Great shaping brain, they do look interesting, would like a ride on one.

Anyone know if there is any differences between the diamond and double diamond.

Are you saying hypermann got sucked into marketing BS

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Macaha said..

SP said..

laceys lane said..

Cuttlefish said..
This is the clip I was first thinking of.
www.bing.com/videos/search?q=webber+double+diamond&&view=detail&mid=25938300FAA50475B3E925938300FAA50475B3E9&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dwebber%2Bdouble%2Bdiamond%26FORM%3DHDRSC3
Was on my phone before and didn't see it so posted the other one.

Geez. I want now

Webber has always been a good salesman. people invested in his wavepool .

But Great shaping brain, they do look interesting, would like a ride on one.

Anyone know if there is any differences between the diamond and double diamond.

Are you saying hypermann got sucked into marketing BS

I did day as an engineer in a me of my posts that Greg's conceptual understanding of fluid mechanics impressed me.

His artificial reef concepts are well considered and low environmental impact.

Let's hope those smarts translate into a nice ride because my BS detector didn't register much.

A very interesting point he made about fins was the torsional moment due to flex, or in this case the twist.

And how it allowed the fins to track or displace to the force of the fluid flow.

Given that when we sink a rail for a turn the arc or contact angle, also called angle of incidence is dynamic across the fin depending on the turn radius then having a fin with a flex patter that allows it to vector to the localised dynamic will have some benefits.

It will significantly reduce drag.

It will allow the foil which I s a lifting wing that creates thrust to work more effectively.

And it will reduce the rate of stall where the lift effect is neutralised due to higher angles of attack.

This and specific elements of hull design that are known to enhance rail to rail transition should add up to a good ride.

Not a lot of video evidence apart from one clip on Greg's site. But the old guy riding seems very able to transition fuller sections of the wave as well a cover foam sections with real-time ease.

He almost looks like he is weaving around on a surf skate.

Besides I ripped a muscle in my dodgy shoulder yesterday and will need to wait at least a couple of weeks to hit the water again

I'm gonna be frothing to get out there on the Diamond.

That old guy is a ex pro surfer if its the same guy

However it does look easy to use.
Pretty impressive i think.

Easy step down from a mal

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laceys lane said..
That old guy is a ex pro surfer if its the same guy

However it does look easy to use.
Pretty impressive i think.

Easy step down from a mal

Order one we know you want one.

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laceys lane said..
That old guy is a ex pro surfer if its the same guy

However it does look easy to use.
Pretty impressive i think.

Easy step down from a mal

Yeah think it is

Bruce Raymond (July 27, 1954 -)
One of the original pro generation of the mid-1970s, Bruce Raymond rose from humble beginnings to become the defining example of a successful surf company executive in the modern era -- sophisticated in his grasp of the global business realm, yet still deeply impressed with the simple ethic of a life swamped in surf and the ocean.

Bruce was a professional Top 16 surfer who after helping pioneer the International Professional Surfing (IPS) joined Quiksilver as a sponsored athlete in 1975. He managed the promotions and advertising at Quiksilver Inc from 1978-1980 before returning to Australia as the CEO of Quiksilver Garments in 1981. In this capacity Bruce managed the Quiksilver Trade Marks, Copyright, Licensing structure worldwide and the International Promotional Fund. In 2003 he became the President of Quiksilver International and was the driving force behind many Quiksilver initiatives, including Athlete management

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Macaha said..

SP said..

laceys lane said..

Cuttlefish said..
This is the clip I was first thinking of.
www.bing.com/videos/search?q=webber+double+diamond&&view=detail&mid=25938300FAA50475B3E925938300FAA50475B3E9&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dwebber%2Bdouble%2Bdiamond%26FORM%3DHDRSC3
Was on my phone before and didn't see it so posted the other one.

Geez. I want now

Webber has always been a good salesman. people invested in his wavepool .

But Great shaping brain, they do look interesting, would like a ride on one.

Anyone know if there is any differences between the diamond and double diamond.

Are you saying hypermann got sucked into marketing BS

Na he is to smart for that. Webber is a great shaper. Board looks good.

Yes SP.

that would be him.
But i wasnt going to make a big deal out of it

He probs surfs better at 60 plus than I did in my twenties

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He probs surfs better at 60 plus than I did in my twenties

Yeah. Really nice.
He ain't no ordinary surfer.
But still credit to the board

Hey Cuttlefish, you've got the inside knowledge on Sanctum fins.

Do you reckon I go with the large flex twins? Or the flex quad set?

Decisions, decisions.

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Hey Cuttlefish, you've got the inside knowledge on Sanctum fins.

Do you reckon I go with the large flex twins? Or the flex quad set?

Decisions, decisions.

The flex twins and twin/trailers are futures base only aren't they?
Isn't the double diamond fcs II?
If so then its the Webber twins all the way.

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Cuttlefish said..

Hydromann said..
Hey Cuttlefish, you've got the inside knowledge on Sanctum fins.

Do you reckon I go with the large flex twins? Or the flex quad set?

Decisions, decisions.

The flex twins and twin/trailers are futures base only aren't they?
Isn't the double diamond fcs II?
If so then its the Webber twins all the way.

Yeah they are futures, but so is my Double diamond.

Webber said he only makes the sets from Soar in FCS.

So I'm looking at the Sanctum futures and trying to decide on the large flex twins or the quad flex set.

I'd still just go for the twins but grab a set of the micro bites to run in the rear quad boxes for bigger days. The tail on the DD isn't wide enough to warrant the quad rears from the flex twin/quad set.
Just check that the micro bites will fit in the rear boxes because futures do different sized boxes (1/2 & 3/4) for the front and rears.
If not: www.ebay.com.au/itm/Surfboard-fins-Christian-Fletcher-rear-Quads-Futures-base/202905472747?hash=item2f3e1bceeb:g:ePUAAOSwBLJdyOfl
I bought a set of Sea fin quad trailers from Sideways surf with a bamboo inset that are nice and flexy compared to the pc core trailers for $45 to use in my new 7'6" midlength with the flex twins when its bigger and I need more hold.

So new 2nd hand Webber Double Diamond in, CJet sold.

I had a few hours to compare shapes, comments as follows.

Outline - Near identical, difference is that Diamond had a diamond tail. CJet square.

Rocker - Diamond has more rocker, progressive along full length. CJet has nose and tail lift and the s flatter and n the middle.

Foam - Webber is EPS, distribution is fairly uniformed, thinner tail and nose, 46L. CJet 52L.

Rails - thickness almost identical. Diamond harder to about 1/3 of tail. CJet to about 1/5.

Fin locations - Near identical, Diamond slightly forward.

Width - nose near identical, mid near identical. Diamond tail wider.

Bottom - Diamond pronounced concave to double with been. CJet concave through to flat and the to double shallow channel.

Weight - Diamond almost 1 kg less. Glass job does not feel as good as the CJet. .ore depressions on deck and feels softer.

So it will be interesting to see the performance difference between them.

To my mind the CJet was made better, but the Webber should perform better due to weight difference and features.

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So new 2nd hand Webber Double Diamond in, CJet sold.

I had a few hours to compare shapes, comments as follows.

Outline - Near identical, difference is that Diamond had a diamond tail. CJet square.

Rocker - Diamond has more rocker, progressive along full length. CJet has nose and tail lift and the s flatter and n the middle.

Foam - Webber is EPS, distribution is fairly uniformed, thinner tail and nose, 46L. CJet 52L.

Rails - thickness almost identical. Diamond harder to about 1/3 of tail. CJet to about 1/5.

Fin locations - Near identical, Diamond slightly forward.

Width - nose near identical, mid near identical. Diamond tail wider.

Bottom - Diamond pronounced concave to double with been. CJet concave through to flat and the to double shallow channel.

Weight - Diamond almost 1 kg less. Glass job does not feel as good as the CJet. .ore depressions on deck and feels softer.

So it will be interesting to see the performance difference between them.

To my mind the CJet was made better, but the Webber should perform better due to weight difference and features.

Made better? How so?

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Hydromann said..
So new 2nd hand Webber Double Diamond in, CJet sold.

I had a few hours to compare shapes, comments as follows.

Outline - Near identical, difference is that Diamond had a diamond tail. CJet square.

Rocker - Diamond has more rocker, progressive along full length. CJet has nose and tail lift and the s flatter and n the middle.

Foam - Webber is EPS, distribution is fairly uniformed, thinner tail and nose, 46L. CJet 52L.

Rails - thickness almost identical. Diamond harder to about 1/3 of tail. CJet to about 1/5.

Fin locations - Near identical, Diamond slightly forward.

Width - nose near identical, mid near identical. Diamond tail wider.

Bottom - Diamond pronounced concave to double with been. CJet concave through to flat and the to double shallow channel.

Weight - Diamond almost 1 kg less. Glass job does not feel as good as the CJet. .ore depressions on deck and feels softer.

So it will be interesting to see the performance difference between them.

To my mind the CJet was made better, but the Webber should perform better due to weight difference and features.

Made better? How so?

Subjective estimation based on how the finish felt. Glass job in polyester on Cjet seemed better than epoxy job on Diamond.

Stronger and less flex in the skin.

Having never owned an EPS before I'm not entirely sure how one should actually feel but it does not feel as robust or firm as the Cjet.

I think the epoxy would tent to flex and return better where as the polyester would crack or shatter maybe?

Nothing definitive beyond that, suppose I should have gotten out my elastomer hardness tester and done some tests, too late now.

I'm not a fan of EPS, but lots of people love it. The difference in feel is probably just the glass job. The Webber is probably just lighter. All things being equal, EPS should be stronger I think.

But heavy and strong doesn't feel as sexy under the arm which sells a lot of stock boards. Me? I love a good double 6oz glass job. I pay too much to have boards snapping.

TSBW do some decent glass jobs. My Fountain Of Youth has double six. The CJet is listed as single 6. Maybe the Webber is lighter still.

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Hydromann said..
So new 2nd hand Webber Double Diamond in, CJet sold.

I had a few hours to compare shapes, comments as follows.

Outline - Near identical, difference is that Diamond had a diamond tail. CJet square.

Rocker - Diamond has more rocker, progressive along full length. CJet has nose and tail lift and the s flatter and n the middle.

Foam - Webber is EPS, distribution is fairly uniformed, thinner tail and nose, 46L. CJet 52L.

Rails - thickness almost identical. Diamond harder to about 1/3 of tail. CJet to about 1/5.

Fin locations - Near identical, Diamond slightly forward.

Width - nose near identical, mid near identical. Diamond tail wider.

Bottom - Diamond pronounced concave to double with been. CJet concave through to flat and the to double shallow channel.

Weight - Diamond almost 1 kg less. Glass job does not feel as good as the CJet. .ore depressions on deck and feels softer.

So it will be interesting to see the performance difference between them.

To my mind the CJet was made better, but the Webber should perform better due to weight difference and features.

Made better? How so?

BTW one made in China, the other in Thailand.

Both are factory pop outs.

Yeah the Webber is significantly lighter.

Weighs less than my old Egan 6' single fin. And even less than my old Egan 5'11 thruster.

Be interesting to see how she feels under foot.

Hopefully my Sanctum large flex twins will be here soon.

I like the fact that webber has a go and puts some thought into his designs.

Not just pumping out the same stuff for decades as some do.

This is probably why christenson surfboards are doing well.
He/they have a crack at new concepts

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laceys lane said..
I like the fact that webber has a go and puts some thought into his designs.

Not just pumping out the same stuff for decades as some do.

This probably christenson surfboards are doing well.
He/they have a crack at new concepts

Yep.

And not just willing to try new things and avoid stagnation, but also to be a leader and try ORIGINAL new things. How many copies of Tomo's ideas pop up within months for instance?

I know a shaper who worked with Webber and said he remains incredibly passionate about turning out quality boards. Gotta respect that.

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thedrip said..

Hydromann said..
So new 2nd hand Webber Double Diamond in, CJet sold.

I had a few hours to compare shapes, comments as follows.

Outline - Near identical, difference is that Diamond had a diamond tail. CJet square.

Rocker - Diamond has more rocker, progressive along full length. CJet has nose and tail lift and the s flatter and n the middle.

Foam - Webber is EPS, distribution is fairly uniformed, thinner tail and nose, 46L. CJet 52L.

Rails - thickness almost identical. Diamond harder to about 1/3 of tail. CJet to about 1/5.

Fin locations - Near identical, Diamond slightly forward.

Width - nose near identical, mid near identical. Diamond tail wider.

Bottom - Diamond pronounced concave to double with been. CJet concave through to flat and the to double shallow channel.

Weight - Diamond almost 1 kg less. Glass job does not feel as good as the CJet. .ore depressions on deck and feels softer.

So it will be interesting to see the performance difference between them.

To my mind the CJet was made better, but the Webber should perform better due to weight difference and features.

Made better? How so?

BTW one made in China, the other in Thailand.

Both are factory pop outs.

Yeah the Webber is significantly lighter.

Weighs less than my old Egan 6' single fin. And even less than my old Egan 5'11 thruster.

Be interesting to see how she feels under foot.

Hopefully my Sanctum large flex twins will be here soon.

If you have a set of quad fins to use in the Webber they would be good. The flex twins may get "interesting" even with trailers when its bigger.
Don't forget the double diamond is a small-medium wave design.

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I'd still just go for the twins but grab a set of the micro bites to run in the rear quad boxes for bigger days. The tail on the DD isn't wide enough to warrant the quad rears from the flex twin/quad set.
Just check that the micro bites will fit in the rear boxes because futures do different sized boxes (1/2 & 3/4) for the front and rears.
If not: www.ebay.com.au/itm/Surfboard-fins-Christian-Fletcher-rear-Quads-Futures-base/202905472747?hash=item2f3e1bceeb:g:ePUAAOSwBLJdyOfl
I bought a set of Sea fin quad trailers from Sideways surf with a bamboo inset that are nice and flexy compared to the pc core trailers for $45 to use in my new 7'6" midlength with the flex twins when its bigger and I need more hold.

Whats with the different box depths on the Futures?

And what depth does the Sanctum large twin fit?

The two fronts are 3/4 and the trailing are all 1/2.

I will only be able to fit the sanctum large twins to the front positions as they are 3/4.

And I can't get he Sanctum side biters I wanted as trailers if needed because they are 3/4

Darn glad I didn't order them last night.

I need to find some 1/2 side biters for running as a twin plus two, or according to some a quad.

Or I need to find a 1/2 trailer type knubster for a twin plus one, or according to some a tri.

Maybe I'll get a couple of these which will work in the rears as either plus two or plus one.

www.aliexpress.com/item/4000236064100.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.47683c00xMBJQJ&mp=1

Why couldn't they have just done them all as 5/8 and be done with it?

Must say coming from a history of glassed in fins I do like the fact that you can experiment more now.

Sounds very complicated that you can't fit fins in that board?