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laceys lane said..

SP said..

AndyrooMac said..

SP said..

AndyrooMac said..

Macaha said..
This stringer set up cost me an extra 150

Love that look, beautiful board...

But you're saying if the blank guys charges an extra $50 for the blank, the shaper is charging an extra $100 to plane one extra stringer???

I have no issue with shapers making more margin, they absolutely should as what they make for the hrs invested is far too low... But the reality is most of the extra cost is pure profit margin... but worth it if you can afford it as they do add a lot to the look and strength of the board.

p.s. no lb pics in the midlength room please

Support your local board builder by paying him what he deserves..

It takes extra time to clean up the stringers and between them, he probably doesn't want to really do it so why shouldn't he charge a premium for it. The customer chooses to pay it or not.

Totally agree, as I said above "shapers are grossly underpaid"

But what I am saying is there is very little difference in the cost of the actual blanks themselves...

example,
Dion foam 7'3" custom rocker single stringer blank = $120
Dion foam 7'3" custom rocker "double" stringer blank = $150

And actually, the reason for the double stringer is that it will save time inserting the fin box as you just router out the foam and dont have to cut into the stringer.

You taught me something there.
I always thought it was to control flex, add some strength and a little bit of looks?
Can't see it being that much easier or quicker to rout foam instead and foam and timber for an experienced shaper? How much time you reckon it would save them? Must be a bit if they are paying and extra $30 per blank.

A look more than anything i reckon.
When your looking at hi tec boards with flex being a new a technical area, putting in a treble Stringer must absolutely kill a board .
Mind you if your just standing in the middle of the board it would matter i suppose

Just showed how little you know about longboards

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Macaha said..

laceys lane said..

SP said..

AndyrooMac said..

SP said..

AndyrooMac said..

Macaha said..
This stringer set up cost me an extra 150

Love that look, beautiful board...

But you're saying if the blank guys charges an extra $50 for the blank, the shaper is charging an extra $100 to plane one extra stringer???

I have no issue with shapers making more margin, they absolutely should as what they make for the hrs invested is far too low... But the reality is most of the extra cost is pure profit margin... but worth it if you can afford it as they do add a lot to the look and strength of the board.

p.s. no lb pics in the midlength room please

Support your local board builder by paying him what he deserves..

It takes extra time to clean up the stringers and between them, he probably doesn't want to really do it so why shouldn't he charge a premium for it. The customer chooses to pay it or not.

Totally agree, as I said above "shapers are grossly underpaid"

But what I am saying is there is very little difference in the cost of the actual blanks themselves...

example,
Dion foam 7'3" custom rocker single stringer blank = $120
Dion foam 7'3" custom rocker "double" stringer blank = $150

And actually, the reason for the double stringer is that it will save time inserting the fin box as you just router out the foam and dont have to cut into the stringer.

You taught me something there.
I always thought it was to control flex, add some strength and a little bit of looks?
Can't see it being that much easier or quicker to rout foam instead and foam and timber for an experienced shaper? How much time you reckon it would save them? Must be a bit if they are paying and extra $30 per blank.

A look more than anything i reckon.
When your looking at hi tec boards with flex being a new a technical area, putting in a treble Stringer must absolutely kill a board .
Mind you if your just standing in the middle of the board it would matter i suppose

Just showed how little you know about longboards

Please enlighten me because shaper sdr agreed with me

If your looking for performance

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laceys lane said..
If your looking for performance

Performance what's that have you been watching videos again

Nice side step

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laceys lane said..

SP said..

AndyrooMac said..

SP said..

AndyrooMac said..

Macaha said..
This stringer set up cost me an extra 150

Love that look, beautiful board...

But you're saying if the blank guys charges an extra $50 for the blank, the shaper is charging an extra $100 to plane one extra stringer???

I have no issue with shapers making more margin, they absolutely should as what they make for the hrs invested is far too low... But the reality is most of the extra cost is pure profit margin... but worth it if you can afford it as they do add a lot to the look and strength of the board.

p.s. no lb pics in the midlength room please

Support your local board builder by paying him what he deserves..

It takes extra time to clean up the stringers and between them, he probably doesn't want to really do it so why shouldn't he charge a premium for it. The customer chooses to pay it or not.

Totally agree, as I said above "shapers are grossly underpaid"

But what I am saying is there is very little difference in the cost of the actual blanks themselves...

example,
Dion foam 7'3" custom rocker single stringer blank = $120
Dion foam 7'3" custom rocker "double" stringer blank = $150

And actually, the reason for the double stringer is that it will save time inserting the fin box as you just router out the foam and dont have to cut into the stringer.

You taught me something there.
I always thought it was to control flex, add some strength and a little bit of looks?
Can't see it being that much easier or quicker to rout foam instead and foam and timber for an experienced shaper? How much time you reckon it would save them? Must be a bit if they are paying and extra $30 per blank.

A look more than anything i reckon.
When your looking at hi tec boards with flex being a new a technical area, putting in treble Stringer must absolutely kill a board .
Mind you if your just standing in the middle of the board it wouldn't matter i suppose

Or nose riding..
Or riding big waves where you dont want the board to chatter and bounce around..

But agree for performance boards its not great besides adding a bit of strength that may stop them snapping.

Unless your Mitchell Rae, then it's a whole different kettle of fish using stringers to control where and how it flexs..

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SP said..

AndyrooMac said..

SP said..

AndyrooMac said..

Macaha said..
This stringer set up cost me an extra 150

Love that look, beautiful board...

But you're saying if the blank guys charges an extra $50 for the blank, the shaper is charging an extra $100 to plane one extra stringer???

I have no issue with shapers making more margin, they absolutely should as what they make for the hrs invested is far too low... But the reality is most of the extra cost is pure profit margin... but worth it if you can afford it as they do add a lot to the look and strength of the board.

p.s. no lb pics in the midlength room please

Support your local board builder by paying him what he deserves..

It takes extra time to clean up the stringers and between them, he probably doesn't want to really do it so why shouldn't he charge a premium for it. The customer chooses to pay it or not.

Totally agree, as I said above "shapers are grossly underpaid"

But what I am saying is there is very little difference in the cost of the actual blanks themselves...

example,
Dion foam 7'3" custom rocker single stringer blank = $120
Dion foam 7'3" custom rocker "double" stringer blank = $150

And actually, the reason for the double stringer is that it will save time inserting the fin box as you just router out the foam and dont have to cut into the stringer.

You taught me something there.
I always thought it was to control flex, add some strength and a little bit of looks?
Can't see it being that much easier or quicker to rout foam instead and foam and timber for an experienced shaper? How much time you reckon it would save them? Must be a bit if they are paying and extra $30 per blank.

Oh totally... thats just inept me being a lazy ass, it is a pain routering out the stringer

I think unless you specifically want a stiffer board the extra stringers are mostly for cosmetic and strength... Although Parmeter suggests they dont add extra strength, it'll just break somewhere else and Maurice Cole would say go thicker in the stringer not more stringers.... and yeah, Mitch Ray is the master of flex and using different stringers, stringer layouts and materials to control. My neighbor scored a 7'6" off ebay for $500, we though it must have been damaged but arrived absolutely mint, crazy buy and its about the only performance board I enjoy surfing.

I dropped into sdr and one of his riders was there too. We were talking about flex. On the riders board they made it flexy. Used a different timber stringer than norm. Sdr had it on the ground and said put your foot on it. Impressive.

It an area they are going to do a lot more.Also Shapers are putting out that new cloth for Shortboards and longboards with good results coming through.

How ever i feel the 10 seaplane i had with its to standard size ceder stringers was about right

Quite a bit extra for Burfords to do the extra stringer in the wedge config that is in the above McTav.
Bennett's prices always on the cheaper side when compared, but they don't do any wedge stringer or wedge split configs either, so you have to pay if you want to play.
Extra money for the shaper to shape the board with the extra stringers, it's not just a matter of planing it down, a lot more work than that to do it properly top and bottom for the 2 x stringers. I'll watch Paul do the quad stringers and yep, happy to pay him extra as it looks like a flaming nightmare to get it as clean as he does.
As for the routing of the fin box. Care still needs to be taken, you'd be saving roughly 1-2 mins maybe by not having to route the stringer.
As for strength, go ply, minimum 10mm if you want a board for really heavy waves. 3 ply stringers will always be the way to go if you don't ever want your board snapping. Cedar is great for looks, not so great for strength.

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Quite a bit extra for Burfords to do the extra stringer in the wedge config that is in the above McTav.
Bennett's prices always on the cheaper side when compared, but they don't do any wedge stringer or wedge split configs either, so you have to play if you want to play.
Extra money for the shaper to shape the board with the extra stringers, it's not just a matter of planing it down, a lot more work than that to do it properly top and bottom for the 2 x stringers. I'll watch Paul do the quad stringers and yep, happy to pay him extra as it looks like a flaming nightmare to get it as clean as he does.
As for the routing of the fin box. Care still needs to be taken, you'd be saving roughly 1-2 mins maybe by not having to route the stringer.
As for strength, go ply, minimum 10mm if you want a board for really heavy waves. 3 ply stringers will always be the way to go if you don't ever want your board snapping. Cedar is great for looks, not so great for strength.

I totally get that if the shaper is cutting and inserting a new stringer configuration that would take a lot of time and skill... I had a go at inserting a stringer into a stringerless blank... Was a f&#ker of a job...

My quote was for dual parallel stringers, nothing fancy and I did think it was pretty cheap, was expecting about $50-$60 more.

$30 extra is definitely cheap for sure.

Not sure how others work out their overall board price increase?
But basically it's more from Burfords (quite a lot more), more for the shaper, and more to prime the stringers (if they are cedar/paulownia)

If i had a finbox and a stringer board i would rather have the finbox adhered to the stringer

Some say the extra strings are for show. You get a lot more flex in a board when your going up in size and a pure noserider should be stiff without flex. The double fin box width apart take some flex out of a board and a standard triple stringer stiffens a board up a lot. I'm talking quality Australian blanks here not fake wood pop out blanks

How flexy do the stand in "the middle of the board and cruise " need their boards to be?

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laceys lane said..
How flexy do the stand in "the middle of the board and cruise " need their boards to be?

Your asking the wrong person and you know it.

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Macaha said..

laceys lane said..
How flexy do the stand in "the middle of the board and cruise " need their boards to be?

Your asking the wrong person and you know it.

Its general question

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Quite a bit extra for Burfords to do the extra stringer in the wedge config that is in the above McTav.
Bennett's prices always on the cheaper side when compared, but they don't do any wedge stringer or wedge split configs either, so you have to pay if you want to play.
Extra money for the shaper to shape the board with the extra stringers, it's not just a matter of planing it down, a lot more work than that to do it properly top and bottom for the 2 x stringers. I'll watch Paul do the quad stringers and yep, happy to pay him extra as it looks like a flaming nightmare to get it as clean as he does.
As for the routing of the fin box. Care still needs to be taken, you'd be saving roughly 1-2 mins maybe by not having to route the stringer.
As for strength, go ply, minimum 10mm if you want a board for really heavy waves. 3 ply stringers will always be the way to go if you don't ever want your board snapping. Cedar is great for looks, not so great for strength.

Hi Evan, speaking of Wedged stringers, Burford blanks & Paul.... How's my 8ft Vish coming along! Ordered through Jordan at surfection about a month ago.... Every surf I think damn that Vish would dominate out here!

Coming through...

And yes they provide total domination of the lineup. You'll be peaking.

Not too sure where "domination" & "peaking" ranks on your hackers scale Macca, but if I see you anywhere on the mermaid to Burleigh strip with your sugar...... We LL be bumping rails in a paddle battle

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laceys lane said..

SP said..

AndyrooMac said..

SP said..

AndyrooMac said..

Macaha said..
This stringer set up cost me an extra 150

Love that look, beautiful board...

But you're saying if the blank guys charges an extra $50 for the blank, the shaper is charging an extra $100 to plane one extra stringer???

I have no issue with shapers making more margin, they absolutely should as what they make for the hrs invested is far too low... But the reality is most of the extra cost is pure profit margin... but worth it if you can afford it as they do add a lot to the look and strength of the board.

p.s. no lb pics in the midlength room please

Support your local board builder by paying him what he deserves..

It takes extra time to clean up the stringers and between them, he probably doesn't want to really do it so why shouldn't he charge a premium for it. The customer chooses to pay it or not.

Totally agree, as I said above "shapers are grossly underpaid"

But what I am saying is there is very little difference in the cost of the actual blanks themselves...

example,
Dion foam 7'3" custom rocker single stringer blank = $120
Dion foam 7'3" custom rocker "double" stringer blank = $150

And actually, the reason for the double stringer is that it will save time inserting the fin box as you just router out the foam and dont have to cut into the stringer.

You taught me something there.
I always thought it was to control flex, add some strength and a little bit of looks?
Can't see it being that much easier or quicker to rout foam instead and foam and timber for an experienced shaper? How much time you reckon it would save them? Must be a bit if they are paying and extra $30 per blank.

A look more than anything i reckon.
When your looking at hi tec boards with flex being a new a technical area, putting in treble Stringer must absolutely kill a board .
Mind you if your just standing in the middle of the board it wouldn't matter i suppose

Interesting thing I just came across regarding stringers.. And what makes a board last.

www.tomwegenersurfboards.com/blog/super-custom-foam-longboards

Perfectly Cut deck Rocker Template: While still in California I worked with many shapers and glasser as well as Walker Foam (who ended up winning the battle with Clark) and learned how to make the most durable foam surfboard. I took this with me when I started making boards in my shed in Noosa. First you need the stringer to be cut exactly to the rocker of the deck of the board. I like to cut and glue my own stringers. If the stringer is perfectly cut and glued then you can take a minimal amount of foam off the deck. The foam on the outside of the blank is much harder than the foam 7mm down. It is like a hard crust and if you keep it on the deck you will not get impressions on the deck from knee paddling or foot placement.

Strong Stringer: The next import element is a strong stringer. Donald ended up making mostly triple stringer for good customers because the boards would last longer. In Australia I found paulownia wood and was able to put 3/4 to 2" stringer in. Having a stiff stringer keeps the glass stronger because it does not flex as much. Polyester resin dries very slowly. It takes years. If you really want a board to last get a thick stringer because it will let the glass job cure perfectly.

Tom is on the money in terms of not taking too much off the deck, and thus eating into the blank and into softer foam territory. Pretty standard for any decent shaper I would have thought? (Although one would never know if they are having their shape come straight off a machine without seeing the raw blank beforehand)
You should be using a rocker that is along the lines, if not bang on, of what you're wanting for the board. And then taking the thickness off the bottom where most of the softer foam will already be. Any blank you get from Burford will always have the stringer matched to the deck line, never usually a problem.
Tom does indeed like cutting his own stringers and gluing them up himself, which is something I give him major props for.

Morning Evan, I noticed that you have updated the Evo, care to tell us more? How does the Nuevo compare to say the Howard mini?
Cheers

Wheres Andy this thread has died

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Morning Evan, I noticed that you have updated the Evo, care to tell us more? How does the Nuevo compare to say the Howard mini?
Cheers

Send me an email or a message on here mate. Don't want to seem as if I'm pushing sales on the forum and doing the whole promo song and dance thing.

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SP said..

laceys lane said..

SP said..

AndyrooMac said..

SP said..

AndyrooMac said..

Macaha said..
This stringer set up cost me an extra 150

Love that look, beautiful board...

But you're saying if the blank guys charges an extra $50 for the blank, the shaper is charging an extra $100 to plane one extra stringer???

I have no issue with shapers making more margin, they absolutely should as what they make for the hrs invested is far too low... But the reality is most of the extra cost is pure profit margin... but worth it if you can afford it as they do add a lot to the look and strength of the board.

p.s. no lb pics in the midlength room please

Support your local board builder by paying him what he deserves..

It takes extra time to clean up the stringers and between them, he probably doesn't want to really do it so why shouldn't he charge a premium for it. The customer chooses to pay it or not.

Totally agree, as I said above "shapers are grossly underpaid"

But what I am saying is there is very little difference in the cost of the actual blanks themselves...

example,
Dion foam 7'3" custom rocker single stringer blank = $120
Dion foam 7'3" custom rocker "double" stringer blank = $150

And actually, the reason for the double stringer is that it will save time inserting the fin box as you just router out the foam and dont have to cut into the stringer.

You taught me something there.
I always thought it was to control flex, add some strength and a little bit of looks?
Can't see it being that much easier or quicker to rout foam instead and foam and timber for an experienced shaper? How much time you reckon it would save them? Must be a bit if they are paying and extra $30 per blank.

A look more than anything i reckon.
When your looking at hi tec boards with flex being a new a technical area, putting in treble Stringer must absolutely kill a board .
Mind you if your just standing in the middle of the board it wouldn't matter i suppose

Interesting thing I just came across regarding stringers.. And what makes a board last.

www.tomwegenersurfboards.com/blog/super-custom-foam-longboards

Perfectly Cut deck Rocker Template: While still in California I worked with many shapers and glasser as well as Walker Foam (who ended up winning the battle with Clark) and learned how to make the most durable foam surfboard. I took this with me when I started making boards in my shed in Noosa. First you need the stringer to be cut exactly to the rocker of the deck of the board. I like to cut and glue my own stringers. If the stringer is perfectly cut and glued then you can take a minimal amount of foam off the deck. The foam on the outside of the blank is much harder than the foam 7mm down. It is like a hard crust and if you keep it on the deck you will not get impressions on the deck from knee paddling or foot placement.

Strong Stringer: The next import element is a strong stringer. Donald ended up making mostly triple stringer for good customers because the boards would last longer. In Australia I found paulownia wood and was able to put 3/4 to 2" stringer in. Having a stiff stringer keeps the glass stronger because it does not flex as much. Polyester resin dries very slowly. It takes years. If you really want a board to last get a thick stringer because it will let the glass job cure perfectly.

Surfblanks in Brooky will do custom rockers to suit any curve, therefore keeping the deck line in the strongest part of the foam, also foam density is important in whichever style of board you are getting, then it also comes down to shaping and where you go with it.
surfblanksaustralia.com/pages/foam-density-chart
strong stringers are good , but too stiff boards are in my opinion **** to ride, a little flex and give in your longboard is essential , again thats personal preference.
each to their own!

I saw that. Looks similar to mine with smaller tail channel in favour of the Torus channel.

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Pfftttt midlenght at 6.10. That's a shortboard for my size

Andy! I just saw your 8'4 thick Lizzy on gumtree, are you okay? What's happening?

Had a really fun session on my 8'2 last night, bit of swell at a metro reef break. With dropping tide some steep take-offs.

Really enjoyed the easy paddling and then the nice relaxed line the board makes you take, all about getting the feet int he right spot to trim then staying cutting back to re-engage.

Perfect waves for the mid, had it locked in.