www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/05/05/coronavirus-conspiracy-theories-pandemic/%3foutputType=amp

Maybe some in here should stop and read the above post before posting their next epic YouTube conspiracy video.

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Cobra said..
Maybe some in here should stop and read the above post before posting their next epic YouTube conspiracy video.

I'm not into reading today ,but I'll take your word for it

LNP is on the go fast road.......

Hope so Daneli...

Just to add to the below video. The Chinese Ambassador states the virus knows no ethnicity ect, we all need to work together to fight it blah blah....however Russia, USA & China have not put money towards working on a vaccination. Conspiracy theorists could say that's because China/USA at least know there is already one on the way just after Bill Gates "Pandemic 2" has everyone down on their knees...Australian government who I've always stated I believe are working with best intentions have pledged $352 million. Might have looked better for China to chip in some buckaroos I reckon.
www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-05/world-leaders-donate-12.5-billion-coronavirus-vaccine-research/12214494

More on Twiggy

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Daneli Returns said..


LNP is on the go fast road.......

Thanks for posting that!

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MickPC said..
Hope so Daneli...

Just to add to the below video. The Chinese Ambassador states the virus knows no ethnicity ect, we all need to work together to fight it blah blah....however Russia, USA & China have not put money towards working on a vaccination. Conspiracy theorists could say that's because China/USA at least know there is already one on the way just after Bill Gates "Pandemic 2" has everyone down on their knees...Australian government who I've always stated I believe are working with best intentions have pledged $352 million. Might have looked better for China to chip in some buckaroos I reckon.
www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-05/world-leaders-donate-12.5-billion-coronavirus-vaccine-research/12214494

More on Twiggy

Wow that's almost unbelievable that China and the US aren't putting money toward vaccines. Is that just in that group of countries or not providing money at all? I thought I saw somewhere that the US were spending billions and Chinese labs partially funded by the state were almost at the trial stage.

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SP said..

MickPC said..
Hope so Daneli...

Just to add to the below video. The Chinese Ambassador states the virus knows no ethnicity ect, we all need to work together to fight it blah blah....however Russia, USA & China have not put money towards working on a vaccination. Conspiracy theorists could say that's because China/USA at least know there is already one on the way just after Bill Gates "Pandemic 2" has everyone down on their knees...Australian government who I've always stated I believe are working with best intentions have pledged $352 million. Might have looked better for China to chip in some buckaroos I reckon.
www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-05/world-leaders-donate-12.5-billion-coronavirus-vaccine-research/12214494

More on Twiggy

Wow that's almost unbelievable that China and the US aren't putting money toward vaccines. Is that just in that group of countries or not providing money at all? I thought I saw somewhere that the US were spending billions and Chinese labs partially funded by the state were almost at the trial stage.

Lots of different independent private company's seeking the holy grail however as stated in the article above;
www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-05/world-leaders-donate-12.5-billion-coronavirus-vaccine-research/12214494

"the US, which has recorded more than 67,000 coronavirus deaths amid conspiracy theories about the virus's origins and spread, along with China and Russia, did not join other nations in committing money."

These guys are not so focused on saving humans, its about money. Its all about money & until people understand that I guess it can be an obstacle for understanding...and I'm not having a dig at you here SP, I know your a good bloke. Just saying, its all about money.

This is too big, the truth will come out!

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MickPC said..

SP said..

MickPC said..
Hope so Daneli...

Just to add to the below video. The Chinese Ambassador states the virus knows no ethnicity ect, we all need to work together to fight it blah blah....however Russia, USA & China have not put money towards working on a vaccination. Conspiracy theorists could say that's because China/USA at least know there is already one on the way just after Bill Gates "Pandemic 2" has everyone down on their knees...Australian government who I've always stated I believe are working with best intentions have pledged $352 million. Might have looked better for China to chip in some buckaroos I reckon.
www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-05/world-leaders-donate-12.5-billion-coronavirus-vaccine-research/12214494

More on Twiggy

Wow that's almost unbelievable that China and the US aren't putting money toward vaccines. Is that just in that group of countries or not providing money at all? I thought I saw somewhere that the US were spending billions and Chinese labs partially funded by the state were almost at the trial stage.

Lots of different independent private company's seeking the holy grail however as stated in the article above;
www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-05/world-leaders-donate-12.5-billion-coronavirus-vaccine-research/12214494

"the US, which has recorded more than 67,000 coronavirus deaths amid conspiracy theories about the virus's origins and spread, along with China and Russia, did not join other nations in committing money."

These guys are not so focused on saving humans, its about money. Its all about money & until people understand that I guess it can be an obstacle for understanding...and I'm not having a dig at you here SP, I know your a good bloke. Just saying, its all about money.

This is too big, the truth will come out!

Not having a go at you here mate. Your a good bloke but you're off the ****ing reservation.

I asked a question about the comment you made saying that the US and China did not spend money on vaccines. It's pure horse****. Nothing about making money, you jumped to that to cover the fact you posted pure horse****.

Us government has spent 2 billion.
China gov has been developing vaccines since January.

Look it up in something other than YouTube.

Stop twisting facts to suit your own position.

3 pages ago you called people sheeple for posting msm article and you do it everytime it suits your biased preconceived ideas. You bagged people for supporting the gov position and now say you agree with it. Ffs you downloaded the app after whining about it.

And I'm the one that's lost, you'd better look for a new Shepard.

Ffs what a condescending reply. Acting like youre the enlightened one and others are stupid brain dead zombies.

Maybe your the one that needs to practice what they preach and look at it objectively instead of posting stuff that suits preconceived idea.

Rant over I'm off back off to the flock..

Some
From a reputable source on the same subject

Instead, they highlighted the money the U.S. government has already spent on vaccine research and development, including $2.6 billion through the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, an arm of the Health and Human Services Department.





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I fully expected a gotcha moment from you SP & I attempted to word my reply to you in a way which was not condecending or holier than though etc etc sorry if I missed any other offences I commited LOL but thats not my intent, I really not interested in that BS...we have differing opinions, please remain calm...

As I said..."Lots of different independent private company's seeking the holy grail however as I stated in the article above"...yes some in the US, some in China...probably even some in Russia.

You provided a screencap of a Chinese news stating China approved candidates to do study's. But you hint at there being a lot of evidence outside YT of actual $ being spent by the Ch government to research vaccs.

My point is a company may be located or the people of ethinicity working may be of a particular country but that does not mean that particular country contributed to researching anything.

I think maybe your concern should be with the ABC as I was sharing their report.
www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-05/world-leaders-donate-12.5-billion-coronavirus-vaccine-research/12214494

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MickPC said..
I fully expected a gotcha moment from you SP & I attempted to word my reply to you in a way which was not condecending or holier than though etc etc sorry if I missed any other offences I commited LOL but thats not my intent...we have differing opinions, please remain calm...

As I said..."Lots of different independent private company's seeking the holy grail however as I stated in the article above"...yes some in the US, some in China...probably even some in Russia.

You provided a screencap of a Chinese news stating China approved candidates to do study's. But you hint at there being a lot of evidence outside YT of actual $ being spent by the Ch government to research vaccs.

My point is a company may be located or the people of ethinicity working may be of a particular country but that does not mean that particular country contributed to researching anything.

I think maybe your concern should be with the ABC as I was sharing their report.
www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-05/world-leaders-donate-12.5-billion-coronavirus-vaccine-research/12214494

The comment was yours.
You misread the article.
The bullet points say they did not attend. How can they contribute if they don't attend a meeting organised by the EU.

You then used this to say they did not provide any funding for vaccines research.

Simple fact is they did and have.

Givernemmt funding private organistaion specialising in developing vaccines is the only way we will get a vaccine. That is where the EU money is going.

Its the same as what the US has done and China is a communist country. Do you know how communism works? Nearly every thing is funded by the gov.

Gov aren't establishing research facilities.
The is EU money isn't either.

Not worked up at all.
Just pointing out the inconsistencies in you posts and the inaccuracies you posted in your above post.

My original post did nothing more than all I ask a question.

Nothing what I posted above has anything to do with money, you stated something and I questioned the accuracy of it and you went off on a tangent.

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thePup said..

SP said..

MickPC said..

SP said..

MickPC said..
Hope so Daneli...

Just to add to the below video. The Chinese Ambassador states the virus knows no ethnicity ect, we all need to work together to fight it blah blah....however Russia, USA & China have not put money towards working on a vaccination. Conspiracy theorists could say that's because China/USA at least know there is already one on the way just after Bill Gates "Pandemic 2" has everyone down on their knees...Australian government who I've always stated I believe are working with best intentions have pledged $352 million. Might have looked better for China to chip in some buckaroos I reckon.
www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-05/world-leaders-donate-12.5-billion-coronavirus-vaccine-research/12214494

More on Twiggy

Wow that's almost unbelievable that China and the US aren't putting money toward vaccines. Is that just in that group of countries or not providing money at all? I thought I saw somewhere that the US were spending billions and Chinese labs partially funded by the state were almost at the trial stage.

Lots of different independent private company's seeking the holy grail however as stated in the article above;
www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-05/world-leaders-donate-12.5-billion-coronavirus-vaccine-research/12214494

"the US, which has recorded more than 67,000 coronavirus deaths amid conspiracy theories about the virus's origins and spread, along with China and Russia, did not join other nations in committing money."

These guys are not so focused on saving humans, its about money. Its all about money & until people understand that I guess it can be an obstacle for understanding...and I'm not having a dig at you here SP, I know your a good bloke. Just saying, its all about money.

This is too big, the truth will come out!

Not having a go at you here mate. Your a good bloke but you're off the ****ing reservation.

I asked a question about the comment you made saying that the US and China did not spend money on vaccines. It's pure horse****. Nothing about making money, you jumped to that to cover the fact you posted pure horse****.

Us government has spent 2 billion.
China gov has been developing vaccines since January.

Look it up in something other than YouTube.

Stop twisting facts to suit your own position.

3 pages ago you called people sheeple for posting msm article and you do it everytime it suits your biased preconceived ideas. You bagged people for supporting the gov position and now say you agree with it. Ffs you downloaded the app after whining about it.

And I'm the one that's lost, you'd better look for a new Shepard.

Ffs what a condescending reply. Acting like youre the enlightened one and others are stupid brain dead zombies.

Maybe your the one that needs to practice what they preach and look at it objectively instead of posting stuff that suits preconceived idea.

Rant over I'm off back off to the flock..

Some
From a reputable source on the same subject

Instead, they highlighted the money the U.S. government has already spent on vaccine research and development, including $2.6 billion through the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, an arm of the Health and Human Services Department.





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hahahahaha now there is something humourous hahahahaha priceless

Indeed

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SP said..

MickPC said..
I fully expected a gotcha moment from you SP & I attempted to word my reply to you in a way which was not condecending or holier than though etc etc sorry if I missed any other offences I commited LOL but thats not my intent...we have differing opinions, please remain calm...

As I said..."Lots of different independent private company's seeking the holy grail however as I stated in the article above"...yes some in the US, some in China...probably even some in Russia.

You provided a screencap of a Chinese news stating China approved candidates to do study's. But you hint at there being a lot of evidence outside YT of actual $ being spent by the Ch government to research vaccs.

My point is a company may be located or the people of ethinicity working may be of a particular country but that does not mean that particular country contributed to researching anything.

I think maybe your concern should be with the ABC as I was sharing their report.
www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-05/world-leaders-donate-12.5-billion-coronavirus-vaccine-research/12214494

The comment was yours.
You misread the article.
The bullet points say they did not attend. How can they contribute if they don't attend a meeting organised by the EU.

You then used this to say they did not provide any funding for vaccines research.

Simple fact is they did and have.

Givernemmt funding private organistaion specialising in developing vla vaccine is the only way we will get a vaccine. That is where the EU money is going.

Its the same as what the US has done and China is a communist country. Do you know how communism works? Nearly every thing is funded by the gov.

Gov aren't establishing research facilities.
The is EU money isn't either.

Not worked up at all.
Just pointing out the inconsistencies in you posts and the inaccuracies you posted in your above post.

My original post did nothing more than all I ask a question.

Nothing what I posted above has anything to do with money, you stated something and I questioned the accuracy of it and you went off on a tangent.

It has everything to do with money m8

Lets wait a little longer & see how this one plays out ok.

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SP said..

MickPC said..
I fully expected a gotcha moment from you SP & I attempted to word my reply to you in a way which was not condecending or holier than though etc etc sorry if I missed any other offences I commited LOL but thats not my intent...we have differing opinions, please remain calm...

As I said..."Lots of different independent private company's seeking the holy grail however as I stated in the article above"...yes some in the US, some in China...probably even some in Russia.

You provided a screencap of a Chinese news stating China approved candidates to do study's. But you hint at there being a lot of evidence outside YT of actual $ being spent by the Ch government to research vaccs.

My point is a company may be located or the people of ethinicity working may be of a particular country but that does not mean that particular country contributed to researching anything.

I think maybe your concern should be with the ABC as I was sharing their report.
www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-05/world-leaders-donate-12.5-billion-coronavirus-vaccine-research/12214494

The comment was yours.
You misread the article.
The bullet points say they did not attend. How can they contribute if they don't attend a meeting organised by the EU.

You then used this to say they did not provide any funding for vaccines research.

Simple fact is they did and have.

Givernemmt funding private organistaion specialising in developing vaccines is the only way we will get a vaccine. That is where the EU money is going.

Its the same as what the US has done and China is a communist country. Do you know how communism works? Nearly every thing is funded by the gov.

Gov aren't establishing research facilities.
The is EU money isn't either.

Not worked up at all.
Just pointing out the inconsistencies in you posts and the inaccuracies you posted in your above post.

My original post did nothing more than all I ask a question.

Nothing what I posted above has anything to do with money, you stated something and I questioned the accuracy of it and you went off on a tangent.

hey mate - you brought a smile I haven't had for weeks thankyou hahahaha

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MickPC said..

SP said..

MickPC said..
I fully expected a gotcha moment from you SP & I attempted to word my reply to you in a way which was not condecending or holier than though etc etc sorry if I missed any other offences I commited LOL but thats not my intent...we have differing opinions, please remain calm...

As I said..."Lots of different independent private company's seeking the holy grail however as I stated in the article above"...yes some in the US, some in China...probably even some in Russia.

You provided a screencap of a Chinese news stating China approved candidates to do study's. But you hint at there being a lot of evidence outside YT of actual $ being spent by the Ch government to research vaccs.

My point is a company may be located or the people of ethinicity working may be of a particular country but that does not mean that particular country contributed to researching anything.

I think maybe your concern should be with the ABC as I was sharing their report.
www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-05/world-leaders-donate-12.5-billion-coronavirus-vaccine-research/12214494

The comment was yours.
You misread the article.
The bullet points say they did not attend. How can they contribute if they don't attend a meeting organised by the EU.

You then used this to say they did not provide any funding for vaccines research.

Simple fact is they did and have.

Givernemmt funding private organistaion specialising in developing vla vaccine is the only way we will get a vaccine. That is where the EU money is going.

Its the same as what the US has done and China is a communist country. Do you know how communism works? Nearly every thing is funded by the gov.

Gov aren't establishing research facilities.
The is EU money isn't either.

Not worked up at all.
Just pointing out the inconsistencies in you posts and the inaccuracies you posted in your above post.

My original post did nothing more than all I ask a question.

Nothing what I posted above has anything to do with money, you stated something and I questioned the accuracy of it and you went off on a tangent.

It has everything to do with money m8

Lets wait a little longer & see how this one plays out ok.

What a well thought out reply for a bloke that's a thinker.

You missed the entire point, misrepresent part of it and posted rubbish.

Kinda like you have done with the entire thread.

The abc article does state they havent given money to this venture yet.
But the america is in the loop so too speak. They didn't mention russia or china being in the loop so to speak

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thePup said..

SP said..

MickPC said..
I fully expected a gotcha moment from you SP & I attempted to word my reply to you in a way which was not condecending or holier than though etc etc sorry if I missed any other offences I commited LOL but thats not my intent...we have differing opinions, please remain calm...

As I said..."Lots of different independent private company's seeking the holy grail however as I stated in the article above"...yes some in the US, some in China...probably even some in Russia.

You provided a screencap of a Chinese news stating China approved candidates to do study's. But you hint at there being a lot of evidence outside YT of actual $ being spent by the Ch government to research vaccs.

My point is a company may be located or the people of ethinicity working may be of a particular country but that does not mean that particular country contributed to researching anything.

I think maybe your concern should be with the ABC as I was sharing their report.
www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-05/world-leaders-donate-12.5-billion-coronavirus-vaccine-research/12214494

The comment was yours.
You misread the article.
The bullet points say they did not attend. How can they contribute if they don't attend a meeting organised by the EU.

You then used this to say they did not provide any funding for vaccines research.

Simple fact is they did and have.

Givernemmt funding private organistaion specialising in developing vaccines is the only way we will get a vaccine. That is where the EU money is going.

Its the same as what the US has done and China is a communist country. Do you know how communism works? Nearly every thing is funded by the gov.

Gov aren't establishing research facilities.
The is EU money isn't either.

Not worked up at all.
Just pointing out the inconsistencies in you posts and the inaccuracies you posted in your above post.

My original post did nothing more than all I ask a question.

Nothing what I posted above has anything to do with money, you stated something and I questioned the accuracy of it and you went off on a tangent.

hey mate - you brought a smile I haven't had for weeks thankyou hahahaha

Glad I could bring a smile to your face.

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SP said..

MickPC said..

SP said..

MickPC said..
I fully expected a gotcha moment from you SP & I attempted to word my reply to you in a way which was not condecending or holier than though etc etc sorry if I missed any other offences I commited LOL but thats not my intent...we have differing opinions, please remain calm...

As I said..."Lots of different independent private company's seeking the holy grail however as I stated in the article above"...yes some in the US, some in China...probably even some in Russia.

You provided a screencap of a Chinese news stating China approved candidates to do study's. But you hint at there being a lot of evidence outside YT of actual $ being spent by the Ch government to research vaccs.

My point is a company may be located or the people of ethinicity working may be of a particular country but that does not mean that particular country contributed to researching anything.

I think maybe your concern should be with the ABC as I was sharing their report.
www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-05/world-leaders-donate-12.5-billion-coronavirus-vaccine-research/12214494

The comment was yours.
You misread the article.
The bullet points say they did not attend. How can they contribute if they don't attend a meeting organised by the EU.

You then used this to say they did not provide any funding for vaccines research.

Simple fact is they did and have.

Givernemmt funding private organistaion specialising in developing vla vaccine is the only way we will get a vaccine. That is where the EU money is going.

Its the same as what the US has done and China is a communist country. Do you know how communism works? Nearly every thing is funded by the gov.

Gov aren't establishing research facilities.
The is EU money isn't either.

Not worked up at all.
Just pointing out the inconsistencies in you posts and the inaccuracies you posted in your above post.

My original post did nothing more than all I ask a question.

Nothing what I posted above has anything to do with money, you stated something and I questioned the accuracy of it and you went off on a tangent.

It has everything to do with money m8

Lets wait a little longer & see how this one plays out ok.

What a well thought out reply for a bloke that's a thinker.

You missed the entire point, misrepresent part of it and posted rubbish.

Kinda like you have done with the entire thread.

Ha aint that the kettle calling the pot black

No I just have better things to do than tit for tat with people who obviously don't read articles or watch videos I share while you expect me to hang on your every word & take it for granted without anything backing it up like your last screengrab.

I can see you taking it personally & getting upset which is not my intent...

Mick they don't watch your videos because they're bull****.
no offence

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As the coronavirus pandemic has unfolded, conspiracy theories about the origins, threat and basic nature of the virus have become an increasingly visible and consequential element of the timeline. Conspiracy theories have tangible consequences for individuals and society, especially when they are sanctioned by trusted members of society, such as political, business and religious leaders. They can decrease people's willingness to get vaccinated or comply with social distancing directives; they can also negatively impact people's view of scientific findings and political out-groups. That means a pandemic is an especially dangerous time for conspiracy theories.

So why, exactly, do these bizarre ideas spread, especially among our relatives, friends and neighbors who otherwise seem like reasonable citizens who heed scientific evidence and make rational decisions about the health and safety of their families?

There is no shortage of covid-19 conspiracy theories, and they tend to follow the same patterns as conspiracy theories about other types of major events and public health crises. Some are infused with partisan politics, such as the idea that Democrats are strategically exaggerating the threat to hurt President Trump's chances at reelection. Originally stoked by Trump, this idea has snowballed into even more fantastical claims about the absence of covid-19 patients in hospitals, death counts being inflated and even the very existence of the virus. Outside partisan politics, conspiratorial sentiments can combine with pseudoscience, resulting in conspiracy theories that covid-19 is a Chinese bioweapon, or that 5G technology, vaccines and genetically modified foods are part of a plot to spread the virus for purposes of controlling the masses. Still other conspiracy theories point the finger at wealthy philanthropists, such as Bill Gates, accusing such individuals of having released the virus or of using the pandemic to test vaccines on poorer populations. And, of course, nearly all conspiracy theories have an anti-Semitic variant, accusing Jews - especially, George Soros - of attempting to usurp power.

Our own UQ is making good progress.

www.uq.edu.au/news/article/2020/04/uq-covid-19-vaccine-shown-induce-potent-protective-response-pre-clinical-trials

I think everyone and all countries are having a crack at this. We will need more than one vaccine so some arse ole doesn't monopolise it.

PS: 'A meal for 2 with a hairy view' is the quote of the day

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Daneli Returns said..
Our own UQ is making good progress.

www.uq.edu.au/news/article/2020/04/uq-covid-19-vaccine-shown-induce-potent-protective-response-pre-clinical-trials

I think everyone and all countries are having a crack at this. We will need more than one vaccine so some arse ole doesn't monopolise it.

PS: 'A meal for 2 with a hairy view' is the quote of the day

Yes. Good news More vaccines the better. personally i wouldnt be keen on anything bill gates has his sticky fingers involved in

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laceys lane said..

Daneli Returns said..
Our own UQ is making good progress.

www.uq.edu.au/news/article/2020/04/uq-covid-19-vaccine-shown-induce-potent-protective-response-pre-clinical-trials

I think everyone and all countries are having a crack at this. We will need more than one vaccine so some arse ole doesn't monopolise it.

PS: 'A meal for 2 with a hairy view' is the quote of the day

Yes. Good news More vaccines the better. personally i wouldnt be keen on anything bill gates has his sticky fingers involved in

Why ?

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chrispy said..
Why ?

Because he seems far to heavily involved financially & it would then appear to fullfill the conspiracy theories. ie Gates wishes to depopulate the earth & that his vaccs are dangerous.

It would be much better if a vacc came from a collaboration of people who have worked to share a vacc with the world & lead us back to normality. Rather than one company that quickly patents it & proceeds to make as much profit as possible.

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MickPC said..

chrispy said..
Why ?

Because he seems far to heavily involved financially & it would then appear to fullfill the conspiracy theories. ie Gates wishes to depopulate the earth & that his vaccs are dangerous.

It would be much better if a vacc came from a collaboration of people who have worked to share a vacc with the world & lead us back to normality. Rather than one company that quickly patents it & proceeds to make as much profit as possible.

So you are Lacey

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MickPC said..

chrispy said..
Why ?

Because he seems far to heavily involved financially & it would then appear to fullfill the conspiracy theories. ie Gates wishes to depopulate the earth & that his vaccs are dangerous.

It would be much better if a vacc came from a collaboration of people who have worked to share a vacc with the world & lead us back to normality. Rather than one company that quickly patents it & proceeds to make as much profit as possible.

Sorry lacey could repeat that please,mick was talking over you

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Macaha said..

MickPC said..

chrispy said..
Why ?

Because he seems far to heavily involved financially & it would then appear to fullfill the conspiracy theories. ie Gates wishes to depopulate the earth & that his vaccs are dangerous.

It would be much better if a vacc came from a collaboration of people who have worked to share a vacc with the world & lead us back to normality. Rather than one company that quickly patents it & proceeds to make as much profit as possible.

So you are Lacey

Well if lacey wants to get crazy he has found the ideal mentor

Mick gates has been giving all his money away trying to help humans not destroy them ffs