Was thinking my next board would be abit of a Speed Shape...if thats what they are called?

Was Looking at either getting a C-Bucket in 10ft or a DT -1 in 10ft.

surfboardsbydonaldtakayama.com.au/dt-1/



At this stage I'd be leaning towards the C-Bucket

Any other guys making something in the same Genre?

cheers

I am also looking at the 10' DT1 as well. Both look awesome !

Been chatting to Evan Squirrel at North Coast about one, he has been really helpful.

The DT 1 looks good.
A 10ftr in a c bucket would be his glider model. They look nice too

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SP said..
The DT 1 looks good.
A 10ftr in a c bucket would be his glider model. They look nice too

Yeah never seen a big one in the flesh....I have a 11ft Chris craft Glider...not entirely sure how the bigger C Buckets would fit in to his line up . Maybe harder rails and abit more nose rocker?
Looker for something that can handle some bigger outer bombie and point days

A common misconception about the term "Speed Shape" is the fact it's used for any sort of pulled in nose and tail planshape. Gliders, I feel, should not really be referred to as Speed Shape's as they trim from point A to point B quite fast, but the DT-1 will do quite a lot more than just that.
Before Donald had to coin his design as officially the DT-1, it was always referred to as "The Speed Shape" for the last 30 or so years of him making it.
Not claiming he invented the name or anything, but there is and will only ever be one "Speed Shape" and that is Donald's DT-1. Few have imitated, but never replicated.
There's a reason he only rode his 9'10" exclusively in his later years. I've cracked the code and now it's the only longboard I ride.

Hmmm sounds good. Do you ride it as 2 + 1?

Pull the trigger on the DT1 Glide

Well if Donald said so!

I think this is the DT3....much different to the DT1?
just like this in a dusty pink would look good too!

If you wanna go full Donald replica go the 9.10 over the 10er

Bit seriously they look so good, been lusting over one for a long time

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evansquirrell said..
A common misconception about the term "Speed Shape" is the fact it's used for any sort of pulled in nose and tail planshape. Gliders, I feel, should not really be referred to as Speed Shape's as they trim from point A to point B quite fast, but the DT-1 will do quite a lot more than just that.
Before Donald had to coin his design as officially the DT-1, it was always referred to as "The Speed Shape" for the last 30 or so years of him making it.
Not claiming he invented the name or anything, but there is and will only ever be one "Speed Shape" and that is Donald's DT-1. Few have imitated, but never replicated.
There's a reason he only rode his 9'10" exclusively in his later years. I've cracked the code and now it's the only longboard I ride.

Well that's not exactly true as Donald doesn't touch them anymore as he is traveling the other side .

So it is just a bunch worldwide ghost shapers who own the rights to make them ?....

so it is a design being imitated and obviously anyone can do it no matter how romantic you want to make it?

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chrispy said..

evansquirrell said..
A common misconception about the term "Speed Shape" is the fact it's used for any sort of pulled in nose and tail planshape. Gliders, I feel, should not really be referred to as Speed Shape's as they trim from point A to point B quite fast, but the DT-1 will do quite a lot more than just that.
Before Donald had to coin his design as officially the DT-1, it was always referred to as "The Speed Shape" for the last 30 or so years of him making it.
Not claiming he invented the name or anything, but there is and will only ever be one "Speed Shape" and that is Donald's DT-1. Few have imitated, but never replicated.
There's a reason he only rode his 9'10" exclusively in his later years. I've cracked the code and now it's the only longboard I ride.

Well that's not exactly true as Donald doesn't touch them anymore as he is traveling the other side .

So it is just a bunch worldwide ghost shapers who own the rights to make them ?....

so it is a design being imitated and obviously anyone can do it no matter how romantic you want to make it?

Not for the romance but the proven formula that the board works...cleaning up a machine shape of his original design still retains the magic of the board.
i have another Tak these guys did and I dare say they would finish as good as the the late Don.
just like DHD or whatever....probs 85% of boards are the same way.
id rather get that than ask a shaper to make me one "like that"
ill save the romance for the ladies :)

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glide77 said..

chrispy said..

evansquirrell said..
A common misconception about the term "Speed Shape" is the fact it's used for any sort of pulled in nose and tail planshape. Gliders, I feel, should not really be referred to as Speed Shape's as they trim from point A to point B quite fast, but the DT-1 will do quite a lot more than just that.
Before Donald had to coin his design as officially the DT-1, it was always referred to as "The Speed Shape" for the last 30 or so years of him making it.
Not claiming he invented the name or anything, but there is and will only ever be one "Speed Shape" and that is Donald's DT-1. Few have imitated, but never replicated.
There's a reason he only rode his 9'10" exclusively in his later years. I've cracked the code and now it's the only longboard I ride.

Well that's not exactly true as Donald doesn't touch them anymore as he is traveling the other side .

So it is just a bunch worldwide ghost shapers who own the rights to make them ?....

so it is a design being imitated and obviously anyone can do it no matter how romantic you want to make it?

Not for the romance but the proven formula that the board works...cleaning up a machine shape of his original design still retains the magic of the board.
i have another Tak these guys did and I dare say they would finish as good as the the late Don.
just like DHD or whatever....probs 85% of boards are the same way.
id rather get that than ask a shaper to make me one "like that"
ill save the romance for the ladies :)

Wow you just tried to make your post romantic

You did read what I posted didn't you ?

It doesn't seem like it

The only point that makes sense and morally I agree with is that I wouldn't ask a shaper to make me identical board..

My comment was It could be be done and I would highly assume has been done ..just like all shapers and surfers do.

So yeh nah

Oh and nowhere did i criticize the craftmeship as i am another who has seen the quality boards come out of their shop.

Also you are asking a shaper to make me a copy as don doesnt do it ,yeh ,nah ?

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chrispy said..

evansquirrell said..
A common misconception about the term "Speed Shape" is the fact it's used for any sort of pulled in nose and tail planshape. Gliders, I feel, should not really be referred to as Speed Shape's as they trim from point A to point B quite fast, but the DT-1 will do quite a lot more than just that.
Before Donald had to coin his design as officially the DT-1, it was always referred to as "The Speed Shape" for the last 30 or so years of him making it.
Not claiming he invented the name or anything, but there is and will only ever be one "Speed Shape" and that is Donald's DT-1. Few have imitated, but never replicated.
There's a reason he only rode his 9'10" exclusively in his later years. I've cracked the code and now it's the only longboard I ride.

Well that's not exactly true as Donald doesn't touch them anymore as he is traveling the other side .

So it is just a bunch worldwide ghost shapers who own the rights to make them ?....

so it is a design being imitated and obviously anyone can do it no matter how romantic you want to make it?

Not sure which part you're referring to as "not exactly true"?

And sorry, but there's not just a "bunch of worldwide ghost shapers" who own the rights to making Donald's boards. Quite the opposite actually. Donald was super particular in who even has access to his designs and theories.

While I understand your concern of shapers not wanting to regurgitate the same old shapes, the design is perfect in my opinion and replicating perfection is warranted for any shaper. We do a LOT of different shapes at NCS, and I'm talking a LOT.

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I think this is the DT3....much different to the DT1?
just like this in a dusty pink would look good too!

In response to the fin question earlier, yes 2 + 1.
I run same setup that DT used to lust over. 7" Finger Fin in the middle and glass on DT side bites. Can't fault it. Locks in and you can really feel it on rail and holding in with the side bites. I'm an avid single fin guy, but riding this thing again has brought me back around...


And I've been riding a 9'9" DT-3 exact same as the one above the last few weeks. Definitely more trim with the extra width than the DT-1 and more room for noseriding also. Same fluidity off the tail but maybe not as quick to bring around, but that could be the extra weight and larger fin also (8 1/4" Pivot Fin)
I feel like the DT-3 loves to be ridden around the 9'4" mark which is what Joel used to ride it as predominantly when he rode them in comps through the late 90's.

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chrispy said..

glide77 said..

chrispy said..

evansquirrell said..
A common misconception about the term "Speed Shape" is the fact it's used for any sort of pulled in nose and tail planshape. Gliders, I feel, should not really be referred to as Speed Shape's as they trim from point A to point B quite fast, but the DT-1 will do quite a lot more than just that.
Before Donald had to coin his design as officially the DT-1, it was always referred to as "The Speed Shape" for the last 30 or so years of him making it.
Not claiming he invented the name or anything, but there is and will only ever be one "Speed Shape" and that is Donald's DT-1. Few have imitated, but never replicated.
There's a reason he only rode his 9'10" exclusively in his later years. I've cracked the code and now it's the only longboard I ride.

Well that's not exactly true as Donald doesn't touch them anymore as he is traveling the other side .

So it is just a bunch worldwide ghost shapers who own the rights to make them ?....

so it is a design being imitated and obviously anyone can do it no matter how romantic you want to make it?

Not for the romance but the proven formula that the board works...cleaning up a machine shape of his original design still retains the magic of the board.
i have another Tak these guys did and I dare say they would finish as good as the the late Don.
just like DHD or whatever....probs 85% of boards are the same way.
id rather get that than ask a shaper to make me one "like that"
ill save the romance for the ladies :)

Wow you just tried to make your post romantic

You did read what I posted didn't you ?

It doesn't seem like it

The only point that makes sense and morally I agree with is that I wouldn't ask a shaper to make me identical board..

My comment was It could be be done and I would highly assume has been done ..just like all shapers and surfers do.

So yeh nah

Oh and nowhere did i criticize the craftmeship as i am another who has seen the quality boards come out of their shop.

Also you are asking a shaper to make me a copy as don doesnt do it ,yeh ,nah ?

Sorry mate...no didn't really read your reply, was kinda more interested in discussing these speed shape kinda boards and stuff, not a debate about whatever it was you were stirring up....anways they look like super fun board and a style of board that many people don't appreciate enough.
Riding my 11fter and then this other hire board in HI last get my interest up and looking around it looks like either a forgotten or neglected genre of longboard.
..i'm Getting one

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evansquirrell said..

glide77 said..



I think this is the DT3....much different to the DT1?
just like this in a dusty pink would look good too!

In response to the fin question earlier, yes 2 + 1.
I run same setup that DT used to lust over. 7" Finger Fin in the middle and glass on DT side bites. Can't fault it. Locks in and you can really feel it on rail and holding in with the side bites. I'm an avid single fin guy, but riding this thing again has brought me back around...


And I've been riding a 9'9" DT-3 exact same as the one above the last few weeks. Definitely more trim with the extra width than the DT-1 and more room for noseriding also. Same fluidity off the tail but maybe not as quick to bring around, but that could be the extra weight and larger fin also (8 1/4" Pivot Fin)
I feel like the DT-3 loves to be ridden around the 9'4" mark which is what Joel used to ride it as predominantly when he rode them in comps through the late 90's.

Yeah I remember that...didn't the dt3 used to be the Tudor model?
Nice...u think the glass ons make a difference over fcs or futures side bites?

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chrispy said..

glide77 said..

chrispy said..

evansquirrell said..
A common misconception about the term "Speed Shape" is the fact it's used for any sort of pulled in nose and tail planshape. Gliders, I feel, should not really be referred to as Speed Shape's as they trim from point A to point B quite fast, but the DT-1 will do quite a lot more than just that.
Before Donald had to coin his design as officially the DT-1, it was always referred to as "The Speed Shape" for the last 30 or so years of him making it.
Not claiming he invented the name or anything, but there is and will only ever be one "Speed Shape" and that is Donald's DT-1. Few have imitated, but never replicated.
There's a reason he only rode his 9'10" exclusively in his later years. I've cracked the code and now it's the only longboard I ride.

Well that's not exactly true as Donald doesn't touch them anymore as he is traveling the other side .

So it is just a bunch worldwide ghost shapers who own the rights to make them ?....

so it is a design being imitated and obviously anyone can do it no matter how romantic you want to make it?

Not for the romance but the proven formula that the board works...cleaning up a machine shape of his original design still retains the magic of the board.
i have another Tak these guys did and I dare say they would finish as good as the the late Don.
just like DHD or whatever....probs 85% of boards are the same way.
id rather get that than ask a shaper to make me one "like that"
ill save the romance for the ladies :)

Wow you just tried to make your post romantic

You did read what I posted didn't you ?

It doesn't seem like it

The only point that makes sense and morally I agree with is that I wouldn't ask a shaper to make me identical board..

My comment was It could be be done and I would highly assume has been done ..just like all shapers and surfers do.

So yeh nah

Oh and nowhere did i criticize the craftmeship as i am another who has seen the quality boards come out of their shop.

Also you are asking a shaper to make me a copy as don doesnt do it ,yeh ,nah ?

Sorry mate...no didn't really read your reply, was kinda more interested in discussing these speed shape kinda boards and stuff, not a debate about whatever it was you were stirring up....anways they look like super fun board and a style of board that many people don't appreciate enough.
Riding my 11fter and then this other hire board in HI last get my interest up and looking around it looks like either a forgotten or neglected genre of longboard.
..i'm Getting one

What al load of ****

I'm not stirring at all. But I'm not going to agree with people who say something cant be done when it can be ,and then listen to more bs with information that is not true

But some of the best quotes came from you glide..some head palm statements like this beauty

"cleaning up a machine shape of of his original design still retains the magic " . Gtfoh

Almost as good as when you said the ghost shaper did a job as good as the Don gtfoh x2

The saddest part is because i dont agree with people making stuff up the people making stuff up then want to call me a stirrer . Gtfoh x 3

Simondo was onto these speed shapes a long longtime ago.

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chrispy said..

glide77 said..

chrispy said..

glide77 said..

chrispy said..

evansquirrell said..
A common misconception about the term "Speed Shape" is the fact it's used for any sort of pulled in nose and tail planshape. Gliders, I feel, should not really be referred to as Speed Shape's as they trim from point A to point B quite fast, but the DT-1 will do quite a lot more than just that.
Before Donald had to coin his design as officially the DT-1, it was always referred to as "The Speed Shape" for the last 30 or so years of him making it.
Not claiming he invented the name or anything, but there is and will only ever be one "Speed Shape" and that is Donald's DT-1. Few have imitated, but never replicated.
There's a reason he only rode his 9'10" exclusively in his later years. I've cracked the code and now it's the only longboard I ride.

Well that's not exactly true as Donald doesn't touch them anymore as he is traveling the other side .

So it is just a bunch worldwide ghost shapers who own the rights to make them ?....

so it is a design being imitated and obviously anyone can do it no matter how romantic you want to make it?

Not for the romance but the proven formula that the board works...cleaning up a machine shape of his original design still retains the magic of the board.
i have another Tak these guys did and I dare say they would finish as good as the the late Don.
just like DHD or whatever....probs 85% of boards are the same way.
id rather get that than ask a shaper to make me one "like that"
ill save the romance for the ladies :)

Wow you just tried to make your post romantic

You did read what I posted didn't you ?

It doesn't seem like it

The only point that makes sense and morally I agree with is that I wouldn't ask a shaper to make me identical board..

My comment was It could be be done and I would highly assume has been done ..just like all shapers and surfers do.

So yeh nah

Oh and nowhere did i criticize the craftmeship as i am another who has seen the quality boards come out of their shop.

Also you are asking a shaper to make me a copy as don doesnt do it ,yeh ,nah ?

Sorry mate...no didn't really read your reply, was kinda more interested in discussing these speed shape kinda boards and stuff, not a debate about whatever it was you were stirring up....anways they look like super fun board and a style of board that many people don't appreciate enough.
Riding my 11fter and then this other hire board in HI last get my interest up and looking around it looks like either a forgotten or neglected genre of longboard.
..i'm Getting one

What al load of ****

I'm not stirring at all. But I'm not going to agree with people who say something cant be done when it can be ,and then listen to more bs with information that is not true

But some of the best quotes came from you glide..some head palm statements like this beauty

"cleaning up a machine shape of of his original design still retains the magic " . Gtfoh

Almost as good as when you said the ghost shaper did a job as good as the Don gtfoh x2

The saddest part is because i dont agree with people making stuff up the people making stuff up then want to call me a stirrer . Gtfoh x 3

You must admit you are a tad argumentative though....

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Macaha said..
Simondo was onto these speed shapes a long longtime ago.

Yeah did he do a video on one?....I'll go search it.
btw...rode your 10ft noserider this morning, really fun board

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glide77 said..

Macaha said..
Simondo was onto these speed shapes a long longtime ago.

Yeah did he do a video on one?....I'll go search it.
btw...rode your 10ft noserider this morning, really fun board

I'm sure he did make a video in true Simondo style,Bob hand shaped it for him tinted in light blue
Yeah glad your happy with that board I should have kept it

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glide77 said..
Was thinking my next board would be abit of a Speed Shape...if thats what they are called?

Was Looking at either getting a C-Bucket in 10ft or a DT -1 in 10ft.

surfboardsbydonaldtakayama.com.au/dt-1/

At this stage I'd be leaning towards the C-Bucket

Any other guys making something in the same Genre?

cheers

I'd throw a 10' Lovelace Thicklizzy in the mix... there's some rave reviews of em om Insta from people who have them and they are just built for trim and speed... And its hand shaped, from the creater/designer...

my 7'7" TL just FLIES, fastest board i've surfed and its all trim/glide, find the power in the wave, set the line and just hammer down the line no pumping required.

Personally too i would think a pintail on a larger speed shape is going to be optimal for smooth turns and you dont need a square tail to help you catch waves as you have 10' of foam...

Worth a thought anyways... alternate would be a 10' Hayley Pin which is 95% a TL and about $500 cheaper

My thoughts on the Tak. Ghost shaped boards just don't have the same feel/soul as a board shaped by the creater... I surfed a Christensen shaped Flat Tracker vs a Ghost shaped and there was just something not the same... still awesome but not quite the real deal...

Personally i'd get something where your talking to the shaper who's tuning the board to you vs generic shapes with a winning formula... I was wanting a Tak Howard Special forever but went with the Lovelace instead... and SUPER stoked I did... but thats just me, i'm all about supporting the small scale artisan who's making awesome stuff...

If a legend board maker gives a licence to a very select few to make on his behalf one would say he has done his research and provided all the information required to reproduce to his standards and thank god this happened with Donalds shapes because they would have been lost forever.
You would need to be a red hot surfer to notice any difference if any IMO.
What gets up my goat big time is when people go to a shaper and ask them to copy a board from another shaper pure rip off and 99% of the time the punter is disappointed with the outcome, outline my look similar but as we all know theres so much more that makes a board work.

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Macaha said..
If a legend board maker gives a licence to a very select few to make on his behalf one would say he has done his research and provided all the information required to reproduce to his standards and thank god this happened with Donalds shapes because they would have been lost forever.
You would need to be a red hot surfer to notice any difference if any IMO.
What gets up my goat big time is when people go to a shaper and ask them to copy a board from another shaper pure rip off and 99% of the time the punter is disappointed with the outcome, outline my look similar but as we all know theres so much more that makes a board work.

So your saying GS MCT/TAK is as good as one shaped by the masters...

As I said above, in my opinion... "still awesome but just not quite the same"

Andy it would have been all time if My ITP was shaped by the man himself unfortunately he had passed before I ordered mine but mine was awesome in every way the quality was outstanding in this case when a licensed shaper is reproducing I have no issues at all, it when the punter to save money asks another shaper to knock off yes steal another shapers design I don't agree with.Im not here to stir up a pot it's my view and I'm happy to post it

This thread is hilarious

It's a touchy subject for sure...nobody wants to disrespect the "old masters" but I think the legend and legacy for these guys was born way back when they were in their prime and first developed the board. When they were refining the designs and personally testing them, tweaking etc.
once they got these iconic boards finalised and the templates preserved it then become a business again.
Fast forward 30 or 40 years and the machines are now available....the old guys are either dead, old, lost their eye, steady hand or just unable to keep up with the volume.

So although I have sought out boards from many of these top shapers as part of my quiver....a BING silver spoon shaped by Matt Calvani or a McT finished by Ben would be as good if not a better than if Bob or Bing did one from scratch in 2019.
These original guys and their big brands are not so silly to entrust there legacy to anyone and the reason they have carried through so well is cause they embraced technology, trained the next generation and loved the legacy.

Similar to when I was on the tools. There was a point where I could hang a solid timber set of French doors and fit an intricate set of locks and hinges better than the master craftsmen who had taught me....But probably not better than him in his prime using old tools!?!?......probably a ** analogy but I think the same may apply in the surfboard industry?

I think the old analogy "everyone is a hypocrite" kinda applies to this thread/topic so maybe we should all just agree to disagree ??

Not really sure why this thread has turned so argumentative?

Anyone worried about the integrity of Donald's boards being made here in Oz, just do your homework on Paul Hutchinson first. Then you're more than welcome to stop by the factory and get a walk through and see why Donald entrusted us to carry on his legacy here in Oz 13 years before he passed. You will see that we indeed are still "small scaled artisans" and making surfboards is our passion, not just our job.
We have lived and breathed Donald's shapes since he came out here and if you think Paul isn't up to the task, then you clearly don't have the knowledge or skill set required to be making that call.

Keep it positive people.

What he said ^^^^^

now back to the 10ft speed shapes