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Standing up on a small SUP

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Created by colas > 9 months ago, 17 Jun 2015
colas
5370 posts
17 Jun 2015 8:22PM
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Hi, I had a question on how to stand up on a short SUP (any size actually, as long as it is one you are not - yet - comfortable with). Here are my answers:

There 3 tricks to understand:

- Sinking is not really the problem. The problem is the instability while sinking, either with a "dead leaf" effect if the board sinks flat, where it will try to "flee" from your weight on one side or the other. Try to dig the board on one side to control where it will sink, the easiest being the rear side, so try not to have the board flat but with the nose raised.
If you bury the nose this means you are too far forward on the board, sink this tail!
Yes, this means the board will push water when paddling, and you will paddle slower than with the nose close to the water... but believe me, better to be slow than to be underwater :-)

- A bit of speed will make wonders, so just paddle 2-3 strokes prone before trying to stand up, and grab you paddle to begin paddling as soon as possible, even if not properly (both hands on the shaft, etc...). And try to always paddle a bit. be wary that going backwards (pushed by the wind) will have the opposite, catastrophic, effect of making your board sink fast

- The paddle in the water will provide an invaluable "3rd leg", try to never keep your paddle in the air more than needed

And of course, knees bent and weight on the ball of your feet (not on the heels), and the rear foot a bit moved backwards are general tricks for keeping your balance.

BigSeppo
120 posts
18 Jun 2015 11:47AM
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From one big man doing "the hula" on small boards to another, thank you Colas for all your good advice over the years on the forums.

Colas knows what he's talking about.

He knows crazy shapes for big guys better than anyone.

I'm 115kg. I went as low as a 7'4" x 32" x 4". Now I've steadily moved the other way, to a low volume 8'10" x 29" (18.5" tail and nose at 12")

Colas tells it straight.

The short wide boards are a matter of taste. You can get a lot of maneuvers in a short amount of space, and they are a technical challenge. He tells it right.

I found I liked my flow, glide and style better on the longer narrower boards. But it's all good.

Thanks again Colas for all the great advice...

Reprobate
31 posts
18 Jun 2015 12:01PM
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Great tips, Colas! One of the very first tips I was given when I started on SUP was to get a little mo' (momentum) before trying to stand up. Invaluable! And keeping your stick in the water is critical for these small shapes. All good advice. Thanks Colas, you yourself are an invaluable resource on here. Grateful for all you contribute!

yt04
QLD, 397 posts
18 Jun 2015 3:36PM
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I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment and want to pass on my thanks to Colas for all his wisdom. I have been re-reading all his posts and our pm's as I recently bought my first real short board, being a bam bam and what a little rocket, but without his wisdom it would be even more of a challenge. Some more practice with the row effect and hopefully a few less kgs and I'll be on fire, attached is a bam bam photo.



Thanks Colas, you're welcome in Austalia anytime and if you do come down under let me know and I'll happily take to you some great spots. Cheers



johndg
WA, 227 posts
18 Jun 2015 2:01PM
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i have a Sunova Speeed 7'11" x 26" and 94 litres. I weigh 82 kgs plus wet suit and paddle. i was out for a couple of hours 2 days ago in dumping waves and an offshore breeze of 10 to 20 knots. I use all of Colas' points from above to keep me moving. One thing I noticed was how much more of a work out it is compared to my normal board. i could feel it in my legs, back and shoulders. Normally i would have had no pain. They do say no pain, no gain.

Once on a wave the smaller size is not an issue. it just goes better.

The only other point I could add is that I belly paddle through the shore break. This may be like cheating however it means i can last longer on the water. On a board like this a small movement makes a big difference. Bending the knees and using the paddle help in recovering from possible falls.

colas
5370 posts
18 Jun 2015 6:07PM
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Thanks for all the feedback!

Yes, small boards will be more manageable with practice, but it will be always more tiring. Even the world cup riders admit they are exhausted after an hour on their boards. And small boards have no glide... So yes, having a small board in your quiver is good for progressing, but going small is in no way mandatory, long boards are fun too!

On not going backwards, I forgot a small trick: paddle upwind to gain ground, and wait for waves with the wind in your back: this way the wind will keep you moving forward and help stability. I often fall stopping paddling to check for incoming sets, forgetting I am facing the wing, and falling because the wind made me going backwards...

Kami
1566 posts
19 Jun 2015 5:36AM
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Look at my extraordinary paddling position as Marie said holding and commenting this video ; demo:

This board is 6'5" <28" 85 liters and I weight 79 kg ( beers and rhum included)

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johndg
WA, 227 posts
19 Jun 2015 11:25AM
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Kami your video is private and i cant play it.

Kami
1566 posts
19 Jun 2015 1:30PM
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Thanks Jhon. I hope it's work now.

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Kami said..
Look at my extraordinary paddling position as Marie said holding and commenting this video ; demo:

This board is 6'5" <28" 85 liters and I weight 79 kg ( beers and rhum included)

Jeroensurf
1097 posts
20 Jun 2015 6:51AM
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Interesting to see that you make the transistion to surfstance when you allready have momentum while I learned to do that before that to prevent the wave passes under you. and impressive how much speed you create straight away.

cantSUPenough
VIC, 2131 posts
20 Jun 2015 9:46AM
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Thanks for sharing Kami. It is interesting to see someone on such a short board where you can easily see the position of their feet. I can't believe such a short board is still floating. I am 10 kg more, but that looks like my Minion (7'10 x 29" 124 ltr) in terms of buoyancy. (Maybe I do ride higher - I have not seen film from the beach with expert commentary before )

Also you feet are wider than I expected, and less staggered than I expected they would need to be.

They are nice conditions. Do you have that much control when it gets a bit choppy?

Grenfell
NSW, 291 posts
20 Jun 2015 1:44PM
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Jesus that's one alarming pair of lycra's!

Kami
1566 posts
20 Jun 2015 3:49PM
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Grenfell said..
Jesus that's one alarming pair of lycra's!

I wanted to get sunburn to say back home that I have been surfing and nor drinking beers and rhum listening music in the shade, as I really do in fact thanks to reward me.

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cantSUPenough said..
Thanks for sharing Kami. It is interesting to see someone on such a short board where you can easily see the position of their feet. I can't believe such a short board is still floating. I am 10 kg more, but that looks like my Minion (7'10 x 29" 124 ltr) in terms of buoyancy. (Maybe I do ride higher - I have not seen film from the beach with expert commentary before )

Also you feet are wider than I expected, and less staggered than I expected they would need to be.

They are nice conditions. Do you have that much control when it gets a bit choppy?


Thanks to Marie my friend's wife to comment her video with so much fun as she does for anything in life

Usually I'm more staged feet instead of that goat position, on this sequence I was just entering water so I was not warm up getting a bit stiffer position than I use to do after few minutes. As well note short paddle I have . I bought it in second hand condition and the owner stuck the yellow grip too low on the paddle shaft. It's a bit too low when i'm getting my hand down the shaft while bending my knees during paddle strokes to cath the wave. I have to remove this grip.
About Balance, again I do reckon that balance is not a fact of buoyancy . Balance is a fact of where buoyancy has been distributed over the shaped board. So Your 90kg should be confort on a 100 liters Minion's. I say Minion because what I say would be not true on a pointed nose board.
When choppy condition this place on the video here is very tricky because there is a rip coming from and cross the shore so the trick is to stay front of the wind chop and turn to the wave and through the cross rip but it's doable and very good exercice for my poor legs. This is why I love short SUP , surfing is a challenge and victory is more tasty that way


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Jeroensurf said..
Interesting to see that you make the transistion to surfstance when you allready have momentum while I learned to do that before that to prevent the wave passes under you. and impressive how much speed you create straight away.


Yes, an other shortSUP purpose is to create instant glide and speed already the wave crest is showing off.
Here an other wave later on than the first one posted up here with a bit of warming up too

Mwstard
93 posts
20 Jun 2015 4:58PM
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Interesting to see different approaches to stance.
Recently got an 8'5" Hokua and found I'm doing pretty much what Colas describes to keep balanced. The downside of this is I find paddling on my left (I'm regular) WAY more difficult. Not on the wave, but generally paddling out / around. Need to put allot more hours in I guess.

cantSUPenough
VIC, 2131 posts
20 Jun 2015 7:30PM
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I would love to try on a really small board, just to see what it is like. 128 ltrs is the smallest I have tried. Good in calm conditions, and a bit of a struggle to confidently control well enough to catch waves in choppy conditions. (6'3" 90 kg)

(And I did not mean my comments to be a criticism - just wanted to know how on earth you ride such a short board!)

Kami
1566 posts
20 Jun 2015 9:37PM
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Mwstard said..
Interesting to see different approaches to stance.
Recently got an 8'5" Hokua and found I'm doing pretty much what Colas describes to keep balanced. The downside of this is I find paddling on my left (I'm regular) WAY more difficult. Not on the wave, but generally paddling out / around. Need to put allot more hours in I guess.

Yes it is Mwstard , dont panic it's way more difficult than frontside stance but due to parrallel rails of that kind of Minion board, paddling back side is much easier rather than a pointed nose with curved outline rail. As well those kind of Vangard get thinner rail too enhancing what I wrote about parallel outline.
As Colas probably said dont stagered foot position as you would do to go frontside.
Demo in this video. I shouldn't go so far inside following some soup because of urchins laying down like a brown carpet
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Kami
1566 posts
20 Jun 2015 10:27PM
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cantSUPenough said..
I would love to try on a really small board, just to see what it is like. 128 ltrs is the smallest I have tried. Good in calm conditions, and a bit of a struggle to confidently control well enough to catch waves in choppy conditions. (6'3" 90 kg)

(And I did not mean my comments to be a criticism - just wanted to know how on earth you ride such a short board!)



In truth take me one full season to learn enough tricks to stand on it . Can be due to my age and have been my right shoulder in heavy surgery too. Took me 4 years to cure and paddle both side efficiently. And I still learn tricks during any new session
This is not so easy as do think this cool local guy same weight as me who did think it was easy to catch wave further out than him.
He tried it at least , many other proned surfers should try before been against SUP in its all.

Mwstard
93 posts
21 Jun 2015 12:25AM
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Thanks Kami, helpful advice.
Last vid is very cool. Made me smile. Swapped with someone today and they suddenly developed a new found respect for SUPers :-)



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