Has anyone tried a NSP DC 17-10? If so, how heavy was it? How did it go upwind? How securely does the rudder centre itself, and can you fit a fixed fin ?
I tried it for a 10 minute paddle in flat water that was bit windy and messy from a heap of boat actvity.
Pretty sure it was the 24 wide one.
Length made it feel as stable as my fanatic 26 wide.
Rudder very responsive. Weight not sure didnt have to lift it really.
Picked up the smaller boat chop and milked it longer than you normally would. Reckon it would even make a good flat water distance training board.
I reckon 24 be to narrow in wild oceans for me and would go the 26" and would love it.
Thats my little opinion
Thanks AndyR, that's very useful.
But only one reply? Are there not many UL boards in Australia? I'd have thought that they would be popular in your conditions.
How does the 17-10 compare to the SIC Bullet to paddle?
No boards in Victoria yet.
Unlimited scene in Vicco is Helmy and MJ.
I'm surprised at the apparent / alleged excitement / interest in this board , given the general disinterest about unlimiteds overall.
Haven't even seen a good picture of the production, or pre production board.
No idea of rail shape, hull design etc.
QLD may be different but it's pretty irrevelant down here at the moment
Well in Europe at least, the cost of the 17-10 is the same as a carbon All Star, which makes it extremely good value compared with a SIC, which is typically about 40% more than eg. a carbon All Star 14. So that might have something to do with it. For many people the sheer cost of an UL board rules it out for them.
Another reason why there aren't many UL boards might be because the ones that do exist tend to be very specialised. They are either DW-only boards or they are flat-water only. If there were more UL boards that were all-conditions designs, more people might want them.
Not everyone wants a board to race. I've got more boards than anyone I know but I very rarely race. It's about the inherent enjoyment of the paddling activity. And UL boards, if they were designed right, could give you plenty of that. I'm not sure that this 17-10 is that kinda board (and it probably isn't), but at least it's a step in the right direction, at the right price point, maybe. I'd certainly find a 15-16ft fixed fin All Star (or Naish Maliko, or Bark Vapor etc etc) a very attractive option. Still a manageable size without a rudder, and short enough to be surfable (just) for the average punter, but faster in all situations and nicer to paddle. What's not to like?
I havent paddled a lot of UNLIMITEDS but these boards are up there with the best. (SIC). Also enjoyed the JM unlimited and have heard good things about the DEEP too.
The DC/NSP 17'10 is responsive and stable at 24inch.
I paddled the same board on the same day as Andy for about the same amount of time and agree 100% with Andy's comments it is a super stable and I reckon the 26" version would be an awesome DW board even for a bloke my size (6'1" & 106kg)
Lucky enough to have only 1 of the two in Australia. All I can say it's awsome 26 x17/10 so fast very stable quicker than the sic IMO less rocker .
Has to be quicker in flat stuff than sic with less rocker.
I like the nose shape of it a lot.
I plan to pick up an unlimited within the next 18months to 2 years and really hope there is a few of the nsps around in aus to get one 2nd hand. I can"t justify the cost brand new for something I would use 10 times a year but 2nd hand price would be well worth it for me. Its a winning shape I don't see a lot changing with it in near future either.
i always think the rounded bottoms are a love or hate thing i would be keen to see what its like on this being so big.
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No boards in Victoria yet.
Unlimited scene in Vicco is Helmy and MJ.
I'm surprised at the apparent / alleged excitement / interest in this board , given the general disinterest about unlimiteds overall.
Haven't even seen a good picture of the production, or pre production board.
No idea of rail shape, hull design etc.
QLD may be different but it's pretty irrevelant down here at the moment
The unlimited thing is progressing in NSW with lots of the crew buying them. Wind Surf N Snow is selling out as soon as they arrive.
The downwind races I organise next year here will probably be only "unlimited class" and age groups.
The way things are looking Unlimited is going to include foils. 
Select to expand quoteNNSUP said..Nozza said..
No boards in Victoria yet.
Unlimited scene in Vicco is Helmy and MJ.
I'm surprised at the apparent / alleged excitement / interest in this board , given the general disinterest about unlimiteds overall.
Haven't even seen a good picture of the production, or pre production board.
No idea of rail shape, hull design etc.
QLD may be different but it's pretty irrevelant down here at the moment
The unlimited thing is progressing in NSW with lots of the crew buying them. Wind Surf N Snow is selling out as soon as they arrive.
The downwind races I organise next year here will probably be only "unlimited class" and age groups.
The way things are looking Unlimited is going to include foils.
don't forget unlimited age groups 
Select to expand quoteNNSUP said..
The way things are looking Unlimited is going to include foils.
It wouldn't at all surprise me if Molokai is won on a foiling board this year...
Select to expand quotemagillamelb said...NNSUP said..
The way things are looking Unlimited is going to include foils.
It wouldn't at all surprise me if Molokai is won on a foiling board this year...
I'm not so sure.. I'm guessing the foils will be faster for 20-30% of the time (while in their ideal working conditions) but a fair bit slower than a normal board for the 70-80% of the time when they're not..
I actually hope I'm wrong..
Don't forget to include Unlimiteds in ALL of the races you're potentially organising NNSUP!!!
We've got a demo 26 wide arriving soon we hope and a 24 pre-sold the 26 will be on demo for a couple of months so available for a try on the west coast .. Get in touch if you want to try
Select to expand quoteTodzilla said..
Don't forget to include Unlimiteds in ALL of the races you're potentially organising NNSUP!!!
As I said Todzilla, the downwind races will be unlimited. The flatwater races will remain 14. Sorry buddy. Select to expand quoteDavidJohn said..
I actually hope I'm wrong..
You wrong DJ....never!
Select to expand quoteAl Hunter said..
don't forget unlimited age groups
I'm pretty much at that age Al, the unlimited age will definitely be in.
Select to expand quoteNNSUP said..Todzilla said..
Don't forget to include Unlimiteds in ALL of the races you're potentially organising NNSUP!!!
As I said Todzilla, the downwind races will be unlimited. The flatwater races will remain 14. Sorry buddy.
Why? What are you scared of?
Include an unlimited division - we are not going to impact on your 14' race.
But we might get some fun, interesting boards, that allow big blokes to paddle narrow long boards out there.
You won't get many entries, but if I was North NSW, I would enter an unlimited.
Select to expand quoteNozza said..NNSUP said..Todzilla said..
Don't forget to include Unlimiteds in ALL of the races you're potentially organising NNSUP!!!
As I said Todzilla, the downwind races will be unlimited. The flatwater races will remain 14. Sorry buddy.
Why? What are you scared of?
Include an unlimited division - we are not going to impact on your 14' race.
But we might get some fun, interesting boards, that allow big blokes to paddle narrow long boards out there.
You won't get many entries, but if I was North NSW, I would enter an unlimited.
Scared of nothing. It just adds a huge amount of extra work and another division with small numbers. (The trophy hunters will love it)
In fact it will impact the 14 footers as some guys will draft the unlimiteds. This was a complaint we had from the elite racers when we were considering unlimiteds. It sounds like an easy thing to do but in reality it's not. We looked at doing it last year and it wasn't worth the effort for the flatwater races.
When it comes to downwinding it will probably just be unlimited. So get in the ocean Todzilla and get in some practice on that big ACE.
Select to expand quoteNNSUP said..Nozza said..NNSUP said..Todzilla said..
Don't forget to include Unlimiteds in ALL of the races you're potentially organising NNSUP!!!
As I said Todzilla, the downwind races will be unlimited. The flatwater races will remain 14. Sorry buddy.
Why? What are you scared of?
Include an unlimited division - we are not going to impact on your 14' race.
But we might get some fun, interesting boards, that allow big blokes to paddle narrow long boards out there.
You won't get many entries, but if I was North NSW, I would enter an unlimited.
Scared of nothing. It just adds a huge amount of extra work and another division with small numbers. (The trophy hunters will love it)
In fact it will impact the 14 footers as some guys will draft the unlimiteds. This was a complaint we had from the elite racers when we were considering unlimiteds. It sounds like an easy thing to do but in reality it's not. We looked at doing it last year and it wasn't worth the effort for the flatwater races.
When it comes to downwinding it will probably just be unlimited. So get in the ocean Todzilla and get in some practice on that big ACE.
Yep, I failed to appreciate the flow on effects of what seems a simple thing,
I should, given years of being involved in organising sailing stuff.
But, given that the average unlimited paddler is likely to be older, not really interested in outright stuff, doing the race for the sake of it, consider starting them 5 or 10 minutes behind the main fleet.
Believe me, no competitive 14' paddler is going to draft me.
Select to expand quoteCore Boardsports said..
We've got a demo 26 wide arriving soon we hope and a 24 pre-sold the 26 will be on demo for a couple of months so available for a try on the west coast .. Get in touch if you want to try
Do I need to sell a kidney to afford one?
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In fact it will impact the 14 footers as some guys will draft the unlimiteds. This was a complaint we had from the elite racers when we were considering unlimiteds. It sounds like an easy thing to do but in reality it's not.
G'day NNSUP good luck drafting my unlimited SUP it has NO WAKE guys have tried on 14fters but have failed trying to ride my wake, hahaha.
Couldn't see any sense racing an unlimited in flat water racing, in any breeze less 15 knots it's just a huge board to get moving but once it's it's over 25+ it's a missile, if it's a DWer then the unlimited is the board of choice...the old saying is true, "size is important", well especially on dwers...
Select to expand quoteNozza said..
No boards in Victoria yet.
Unlimited scene in Vicco is Helmy and MJ.
I'm surprised at the apparent / alleged excitement / interest in this board , given the general disinterest about unlimiteds overall.
Haven't even seen a good picture of the production, or pre production board.
No idea of rail shape, hull design etc.
QLD may be different but it's pretty irrevelant down here at the moment
Noz,
I think you've forgotten to mention over very own Justin Ormonde (The Honey Badger), who has been bothering the scorers over in Hawaii with some big, significant placings over the last 12 months.
Before you and I came along , Justin's been all over this thing for ages. (Think Alan Smith in 14's)
I know he'll be working hard to raise the unlimited profile in Vic over winter, although I don't think we'll see him on a blue board...
It starts to make sense when you're my height/weight! I've got an Ace GT which under me - 6'9", 110kgs - is like anyone else on a 14' Ace. It's just a waterline thing for me really, it's not got much difference in volume. Me on a 14' would be like anyone else on a 12'6"...
Having said that, pretty much all other Unlimited's are hopeless in the flat...
