My body is falling apart at the ripe old age of 45, and I'll bet I'm not alone.
Having taken up SUP to surf with my bad back, I'm finding that my knee and ankle on my right (rear) leg are now packing it in. I've had patellofemoral pain syndrome over the past few months, and once that kicked in my right ankle threw in the towel and has ante-something or other where it won't bend properly and aches. Makes the tendons at the front side of the shin and ankle ache on and off. Hardly been surfing the last 4-6 weeks and off to the ments in 10 days! I should have bought shares in the local physio and osteo practises. An ankle brace is on the cards, and I'm doing a few exercises.
Does anyone have a similar/same thing and what do you do to fix it?
cheers
tang
Is that why you weren't out there yesterday?
I think the best fix is to start growing younger rather than older.. 
Select to expand quoteTang said..
My body is falling apart at the ripe old age of 45, and I'll bet I'm not alone.
Having taken up SUP to surf with my bad back, I'm finding that my knee and ankle on my right (rear) leg are now packing it in. I've had patellofemoral pain syndrome over the past few months, and once that kicked in my right ankle threw in the towel and has ante-something or other where it won't bend properly and aches. Makes the tendons at the front side of the shin and ankle ache on and off. Hardly been surfing the last 4-6 weeks and off to the ments in 10 days! I should have bought shares in the local physio and osteo practises. An ankle brace is on the cards, and I'm doing a few exercises.
Does anyone have a similar/same thing and what do you do to fix it?
cheers
tang
Yep that's when it starts ...falling apart at the seems..45 ...glucosamine ,magnesium tablets and fish oil .try strengthening the areas .ankle and knee rotations everyday .stretching ...all helps ..in another 5 year you come good ....ya can't feel a bloody thing .
great, I'm 44 and ****ing sick of hearing my older mates whinge about bodes falling apart, as ronnie johns would say - harden the **** up, but I'm hearing you, **** getting old, glad I've got 2 of each
Hi Tang
Im 43 and I fell apart a few years ago, please note I am not a medical professional so this reply will more than likely have nothing to do with your current condition.
I had a total hip replacement on the right hip in June 2013 and arthroscopic repair surgery of the left hip six weeks earlier in the same year . Using crutches leading up to the major surgery after the minor surgery revealed serious arthritis in my wrists and I seriously thought my board riding days were behind me.
Practically didn't surf for 5 years leading up to 2013 due to pain and fatigue.
However they can rebuild you and life is great on the other side.
Im back chasing pits ( sup only ) and loving my somewhat new lease of life.
Yes I get pain in the similar areas as you at times due to my left hip ( original remaining hip ) being compromised therefore passively changing my gait. I know in the next 5 years I will have to get the left hip done also.
I see a clinical masseuse every 2- 3 weeks religiously for the last 3 years, she manages to keep me going.
I rented a pilates reformer for a year leading up to my surgeries and found this a great tool in keeping me going also.
I still don't stretch enough ( practically at all ) however this is my new ambition for the next few months.
Voltaren is your friend for the Ments, one of my best mates has a charter boat in Nth Sumatra and believes if it wasn't for Voltaren he would not have a business. Two 25 mg over the counter V's are the same as prescription Voltaren, the slow release prescribed version is pretty good also.
My massage therapist is my crutch nowadays, real clinical massage therapist are hard to find, apparently there is or was a massage guru at or near Torquay who used to be very busy when the older pros came to town for bells in the 90's, chase him down.
The surgeon who did my hip trains other surgeons from the USA in the anterior approach and has rooms in Melbourne when he is not training crew overseas.
Look forward to seeing your pics of the Mentawai's in the tube on the breeze when you return.
Happy Boardriding
Jack 
Select to expand quoteCarterSUPhysio said..
anterior impingement?
I was hoping you'd sniff this one out, carter.
Im not sure of the label, but it appears to be anterolateral ankle impingement, which sounds like anterior impingement to me. An osteo filling in for my regular osteo while she has a bub asked me on Wednesday whether I'd ever had a foot fracture because she felt my foot bones were all locked up and making my ankle seize up. She also thinks I am on the way to tendinitis in the front/outside of my lower shin where the ankle- controlling tendons all attach. Between her and my physio I'm doing a few exercises to strengthen things and my yoga and Pilates routine to try and even up my hip rotation (slightly offset paddle stance natural footer pulling my right hip forward) which has been aided by years of back foot stress and back injury weakening glutes.....
my in physio who surfs reckons it's pretty common in surfers - reos, floaters and white water under the board etc all help to strain things. What do you think?
and thanks to all others, too. Im chugging glucosamine, just polished off a ute load of magnesium too. Trying to convince my wife that sex helps but she's a doc so isnt buying it, sadly.
cheers
Hey jack, that's quite a tale, great that you're back in the thick of it.
given that I'll have an ankle brace on and probably won't be able to bend the ankle, any barrels will have to be stand up tubes.....which I will gladly oblige if rifles breaks.....yeeeeeew. Photos of it, well that'll be a bit like photos of Sasquatch.
Hi Tang
Cheers
Lucky I included the disclaimer in the first line of my rant.
Classic you have an actual support team, a doctor wife and even do pilates and yoga !?
As for those big anatomical words, sounds like you even know what they mean !!
Have a good trip, sounds like your medical support team will be waiting on landing.
Since december ive spent 1 month in the water the rest of the time laid up on my fat arse nursing and ankle injury n now a knee injury
Getting old sucks
Select to expand quotetha dogman said..
Since december ive spent 1 month in the water the rest of the time laid up on my fat arse nursing and ankle injury n now a knee injury
Getting old sucks
It's not all bad guys, so don't give up. Keep moving and doing what you enjoy, just modify it a bit.
i am 61 on Sunday and still do as much as I can. I am no world beater or mega hero, don't want to be, but I get on the water as often as I can to either SurfSUP or distance paddle. I think DJ is in his mid to late 50's and he is very active, not to mention Iron Phil who is 53 I think.
I have found that whilst I can't mix it with the younger guys I choose my times and conditions and thoroughly enjoy myself. I regularly do 10km light downwinders and 12 to 15 km distance paddles. We do have an advantage in Noosa that we have beautiful right hand point breaks that mean you don't have to battle through white water.
So I reckon you change your expectations to a degree, pick your times and conditions, don't over do it, know your limits and enjoy your selves.
Also keep a regular supply of Panadol Osteo and Neurufen handy.
ET.
Select to expand quoteE T said..tha dogman said..
Since december ive spent 1 month in the water the rest of the time laid up on my fat arse nursing and ankle injury n now a knee injury
Getting old sucks
It's not all bad guys, so don't give up. Keep moving and doing what you enjoy, just modify it a bit.
i am 61 on Sunday and still do as much as I can. I am no world beater or mega hero, don't want to be, but I get on the water as often as I can to either SurfSUP or distance paddle. I think DJ is in his mid to late 50's and he is very active, not to mention Iron Phil who is 53 I think.
I have found that whilst I can't mix it with the younger guys I choose my times and conditions and thoroughly enjoy myself. I regularly do 10km light downwinders and 12 to 15 km distance paddles. We do have an advantage in Noosa that we have beautiful right hand point breaks that mean you don't have to battle through white water.
So I reckon you change your expectations to a degree, pick your times and conditions, don't over do it, know your limits and enjoy your selves.
Also keep a regular supply of Panadol Osteo and Neurufen handy.
ET.
Nice one ET ...drugs are handy sometimes . Yep, use it, or loose it .
Select to expand quoteE T said..tha dogman said..
Since december ive spent 1 month in the water the rest of the time laid up on my fat arse nursing and ankle injury n now a knee injury
Getting old sucks
It's not all bad guys, so don't give up. Keep moving and doing what you enjoy, just modify it a bit.
i am 61 on Sunday and still do as much as I can. I am no world beater or mega hero, don't want to be, but I get on the water as often as I can to either SurfSUP or distance paddle. I think DJ is in his mid to late 50's and he is very active, not to mention Iron Phil who is 53 I think.
I have found that whilst I can't mix it with the younger guys I choose my times and conditions and thoroughly enjoy myself. I regularly do 10km light downwinders and 12 to 15 km distance paddles. We do have an advantage in Noosa that we have beautiful right hand point breaks that mean you don't have to battle through white water.
So I reckon you change your expectations to a degree, pick your times and conditions, don't over do it, know your limits and enjoy your selves.
Also keep a regular supply of Panadol Osteo and Neurufen handy.
ET.
Nice one ET ...drugs are handy sometimes . Yep, use it, or loose it .
You know how plumbers have leaky taps, well all the support team is going to do is throw a couple of kids at me and take off herself for a few days to get over it all.
Select to expand quoteDavidJohn said..
Is that why you weren't out there yesterday?
I think the best fix is to start growing younger rather than older..
I've hardly been out there in ages, DJ, and as you know we've had a great run of waves the last month which I have had to watch. I have no escape as my better half surfs too, and after her neck injury in March, she's back in the water with a vengeance and quite enjoying the role reversal.
Dog, sorry to hear that, mate. Hope it's on the mend soon. The only consolation down here when you're out of the water is that it's 10 degrees out and 13 in the water, which helps to take the mind off it.
ET, I agree, though I do find it hard to keep on modifying my approach, I've already had to scale back to 50% commitment just being on a sup, so going furth never appeals. But I do have a healthy stock of anti inflamm etc, though shame about my stomach lining.......
It all just goes to show that the good old days are now, and you have to hook in while you can.
cheers
Hang in Tang.... it becomes the new norm.
Make sure you rest it and heal it before beating it again... injuries multiply when weak.
Sucks about the Ments.... don't f*#k up your ankle any more.... they can take a long time to heal...... Wrap it TIGHTLY.
And wear the brace all day... not just for activities.
Then strengthen your legs and ankles quickly by paddling a narrow, low volume SUP in some windy conditions.
Mine got really strong in about a month of serious balance training.... the strong support muscles, allow my legs and joints to handle more abuse
At 67, I'm feeling pretty good, with only one elastic knee "compression brace"...
last week did 22.5 hours on the SUP..... surfing or leading paddle tours.
One 5 hour tour, came after a 3 hour surf session.... my joints felt great
naps help.
Select to expand quoteTang said..CarterSUPhysio said..
anterior impingement?
I was hoping you'd sniff this one out, carter.
Im not sure of the label, but it appears to be anterolateral ankle impingement, which sounds like anterior impingement to me. An osteo filling in for my regular osteo while she has a bub asked me on Wednesday whether I'd ever had a foot fracture because she felt my foot bones were all locked up and making my ankle seize up. She also thinks I am on the way to tendinitis in the front/outside of my lower shin where the ankle- controlling tendons all attach. Between her and my physio I'm doing a few exercises to strengthen things and my yoga and Pilates routine to try and even up my hip rotation (slightly offset paddle stance natural footer pulling my right hip forward) which has been aided by years of back foot stress and back injury weakening glutes.....
my in physio who surfs reckons it's pretty common in surfers - reos, floaters and white water under the board etc all help to strain things. What do you think?
and thanks to all others, too. Im chugging glucosamine, just polished off a ute load of magnesium too. Trying to convince my wife that sex helps but she's a doc so isnt buying it, sadly.
cheers
Yeah it is a fairly common thing in 'ageing' surfers. If you've had an xray you'd be able to see where the impingement is - usually a small little bump of bone on the very bottom of your shin bone, or the very top of your first ankle bone. If you imagine your ankle joint like a door hinge at 90 degrees, you can pull your toes up towards your shin, or you can take your shin towards your toes. Either of these movements will aggravate your ankle. This is a bony change (if it definately is anterolateral ankle impingement?) and bony changes don't go away. Exercsies that challenge your balance on that leg will help to strengthen the supporting muscles, as you have mentioned, should improve your symptoms over time. An ankle brace that limits 'dorsiflexion' whilst you surf might be helpful. The other things that are important are calf muscle flexibility, talocrural joint mobility (so the physio pushing down through the front of your ankle? Or using a seatbelt whilst you do a lunge type movement?)hope you're getting some relief. At the end of your day, your wife might be able to organise a cortisone for the anterior ankle
Just interesed has anyone tried a tens machine??(supposedly sends electric pulses thru to the sore joints) tricks your brain into thinking the pain had gone.I ache and wonder if one of these machines are better than the drugs we pump into our body,interested to hear what everyone thinks,especially the professional guys eg physiocarter,who has alway something of value to say,thanks for all your input.
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Just interesed has anyone tried a tens machine??(supposedly sends electric pulses thru to the sore joints) tricks your brain into thinking the pain had gone.I ache and wonder if one of these machines are better than the drugs we pump into our body,interested to hear what everyone thinks,especially the professional guys eg physiocarter,who has alway something of value to say,thanks for all your input.
Ron, before starting my physio career, i've been a bit sceptical of 'machines'. I'm a fan of hands on treatment myself - so in clinic I'll only occasionaly use a tens / interferential machine. However, for home based use - i've found that a lot of people like them. The theory does check out, the frequency of the tens machine is basically aimed to slow / stop / interrupt descending (signals coming back from our brain) pain messages. I haven't recently seen any good research about whether tens is better than pain relieving medication or visa versa, so can't onbjectively say one is or isn't - but perhaps is a good option for those who aren't fans of medication etc. I wouldn't fork out more than 100 bucks on a unit MAX (don't get scammed) - don't get one off ebay either. The same as pain relieving medication - they aren't a fix. However, we know that the sooner your pain decreases, the less muscle spasm, joint stiffness, poor movement patterns, better muscle activation and so on occurs. I would try to advise trying a friend's or a physio's first to see how you go with it!
Thanks for all that, might look into the X-ray to be sure of the damn thing. Brace arrived in the post today.
Never thought I'd actually be an ageing surfer.....always a grommet at heart.....
