I have had a finished proto of the Starboard Hyper Nut in my hands for the past 2 weeks and have surfed it in 1 to 2 foot onshore and messy up to 5 foot reef break.. It is Nuts the board rips I am 6'1 and 85kgs and have been paddling for several years my normal board would be the 8" Pro or 8"5 Pro Starboard ( yes I am bias for those who do not know me I am the Starboard Demo guy travelling around the East coast with 18 Boards )
This allows me to surf a lot of boards both Starboard and other when I swap people out in the water so they can ride what I am on..
Hyper Nut is around 104ltrs 7'2 x 28 wide when it is glassy I can stand still without paddling and wait for a wave, If it is onshore and messy I have to keep paddling to stay upright..
It paddles on to a wave quite easily all though you must be a little later and on a steeper face but in all there would not be much difference between it and the 8" Pro.
On a wave it has speeeed to burn accelerates quickly and responds to imput very fast.
Scotty Mc worked very hard to design a Modern Planning Hull that would still turn on a rail!!! it is not use having all that speed if you can only do a dishpan (flat) turn
I the photos you can see he has pulled the tail width in a lot, in fact the tail is not much wider than a standard board this combined with the more rocker through the tail in the deep channel allows the board to get up and turn on the rail..
I will have this board at the ESS Boardstore demo day this Sunday and t the Harry,s Paddle weekend at Stockton Beach on the 21st.
So if you can leaver it out of my hands you can have a ride.. Warning this my hurt your bank balance





Concave through the front

Concave middle





DJ Hand rail measurement (my hand is smaller than DJ)

Rocker line I tried to set it up level with the boards on garage so you can see the rocker through board.
Rod

Sorry I should have mentioned this will not be the final colour!!

Excellent!!!

Nice one!

What other sizes will there be?

See you at Harry's for an early morning Rod!! :)

Rod very kindly gave me a go on this and I can confirm that this is a surprisingly stable board, I only caught one wave on it as you really need to plan your take off and timing accordingly, we were at a small reef break though, I'm sure a beachie would have been better for myself to tune the board in but Rod, Terrene and Will all made it look easy.

Board seems quite nice and balanced.

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Surfrod66 said.. it is not use having all that speed if you can only do a dishpan (flat) turn
I the photos you can see he has pulled the tail width in a lot

Actually, wide tails don't force you to dishpan, and can turn on the rail... you just need to move your weight back in turns (a bit like with a longboard), and your rear foot on the rail, so you must prepare more your turns. It is a compromise between speed and power in turns and ease to prepare them (more spontaneity).

Boards don't dishpan. Riders do :-)

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colas said..
Board seems quite nice and balanced.

Surfrod66 said.. it is not use having all that speed if you can only do a dishpan (flat) turn
I the photos you can see he has pulled the tail width in a lot

Actually, wide tails don't force you to dishpan, and can turn on the rail... you just need to move your weight back in turns (a bit like with a longboard), and your rear foot on the rail, so you must prepare more your turns. It is a compromise between speed and power in turns and ease to prepare them (more spontaneity).

Boards don't dishpan. Riders do :-)

Colas I was told I would be moving my back foot around more on these style boards when sticking on my tail pad i.e. spread the tail pad wider to allow for back foot movement. You are spot on.

Hi rod, thanks to do topic about this atypical board. Apart of things what has been properly talk about by others, i would ask you if you find a better drive while paddling using the depressed outline rail to get rowing closer to the board's axe

The other point i would point on this particular outline is the idea that longitudinal volume repartition stand (or tend to stand )on ends of the board.
So the cantilever reaction (torque) from ends to your feet is very efficient .This buoyancy/weight reaction cantilever or longitudinal stability torque is providing a lot more of this stability than a rectangular and way more than an elliptic outline.

Can you give a feedback if you understand me

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colas said..
Board seems quite nice and balanced.

Surfrod66 said.. it is not use having all that speed if you can only do a dishpan (flat) turn
I the photos you can see he has pulled the tail width in a lot

Actually, wide tails don't force you to dishpan, and can turn on the rail... you just need to move your weight back in turns (a bit like with a longboard), and your rear foot on the rail, so you must prepare more your turns. It is a compromise between speed and power in turns and ease to prepare them (more spontaneity).

Boards don't dishpan. Riders do :-)

Having ridden the Hypernut quite extensively now for a period I will throw my 2cents worth in.

What I have found is that earlier incarnations of the Vanguard design used a very wide tail / thickness platform that were aimed to provide stability and flotation. However in doing so they made it more difficult to turn the board rail to rail when using the speed this concept generates. So yes the board does not dishpan but the rider has to do this to control the board through a turn. Otherwise the board would quite often just kick you off the rail and all momentum is lost. At slow speed these things turn in an incredibly tight radius but the premise of a planning hull is about generating speed and being able to use it.

With the Hypernut evolution, the pulled in tail and thinner rails allow the board to be turned at speed with a hard rail to rail transition. This is something that I think was missing from earlier designs and has already been improved upon by some of the early entrants with their next models. It is a very smooth and reactive feel where you do not have to find the last few centimeters of board as it turns incredibly well mid-rail. All this is achieved in the Hypernut without sacrificing stability and floatation.

The Nut outline is something that has worked very well in an earlier release model and translated very well to the Hypernut short wide concept. The water flow is accelerated along the length of the board further improving speed and then allowing for a tighter turning radius.

In the first release of the Starboard Hypernut we will only see the 7’2 x 28 and the 7’4 x 30, however there will be another 4 sizes released shortly after for the smaller and bigger guys.

I really feel the Hypernut is an evolution on this concept and one that Starboard has taken time and countless prototypes bringing to market.

PS: Obviously I am associated with Starboard so take my comments as you wish

Cheers, Marco

Hi Marco
I think it is you i have seen out at mettam's with the hypernut once.
Was wondering what your thoughts were on these vanguard shapes for local Perth conditions/waves.
SO as you know local there is not a lot to offer, Mettam's can be fat n slow, but during winter can be big and fun with some really nice lefts and rights and room to smack some good sections.
Cott, well never seen it good but dont go there much, always seems fat n slow
then there is beacheys at trigg and scarbs and of course trigg point during summer when sand is in.
SO i think the shortness would be good for being able to sneak in the quick turns at beacheys, plus less board to deal with smacking into the shallow banks and getting around between surfers.
ALso good planing hull good for the slower days at mettams.
But then i wonder if they would be any good when down south in some solid head high swell.
Im quite interested for my next board.
Have heard loads of good feedback on east coast and SA riders loving the vbox and minions but eager to see what locals in WA think of the shapes for local breaks.
Do you know if Airborn have one to demo? might sneak in to see one day.

I haven't used the board yet but have seen it used in head high waves.
Here is Paul Lane getting out of my the sun.

that's the shizz!

Hey CAUTION,
I'd say a lot of their testing/development has been done in decent waves - Scotty Mac (Happy Birthday b.t.w) had protos at his place in Margs and took a bunch of them to Bali for at least one or two trips to work on them. Down-south head-high (ie head-high but with swell speed and oomph) shouldn't be a problem. I've fondled an 8'0x31.5 Hypernut proto and it looked like it shouldn't get out of control easily - the rails/thickness is by no means bulky and the outline does pinch in at the tail more than most. My concern isn't mid range waves like yours, but bottom and top end performance. A lot of the Minion etc threads on here show how good these short/wide hulls go at the bottom end in tiny beachies and points such as they get over east (or in the Med as per Colas's videos). Despite being small and gutless, these waves are typically quite down-the-line, so once the board is up and skating, it can be kept that way through to kick-out. Often in WA, the small waves we ride are still reefs which have more of a tendency to be short sections with flat-spots in between - and by flat, they're not just flat faces, but can go back to rolling swell not breaking at all. So my concern with these boards is the lack of glide to get through these non-sections. What I've seen of Cott and Mettams would put them firmly in that bracket as are my more regular small-wave spots in the SW. In maybe 8-9 years of riding a SUP, I have never actually taken one out on a beachie, so I'm resigned to still needing a more "longboard" style SUP in the quiver for those days/spots.
So it's actually more top-end which is my problem area. I'm trying to decide on how to keep it to a 2 SUP quiver for now to cover most bases. I'm itching to get a modern hull shape of sorts - a bit less length and volume but with similar stability ticks all the boxes - but one which will cover (good) chest high up to ~6' or double-head high down-south. Bigger than that and I'm happy to go surfing or head to a more protected bay for a SUP. There seems to be a lack of discussion on here as to how any of these designs handle a little bit more juice or if they could be adapted to.

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Burndo said..
So my concern with these boards is the lack of glide to get through these non-sections.

You should try wide, non-pulled-in tails (Simmons-like): these glide on anything.
And with the fins far back enough, it can handle some power in the sections...

Hi Caution,

Yeah that is me at Metts, I pretty much ride the left most mornings before work and then on the odd occasions Scarbs and Cott.

In my opinion these type of boards are perfect for our conditions as they generate so much speed and drive and in a very short period. This definitely lends to the type of waves we have, even the small fatter fuller waves these boards get up and release from the water quickly. I'm not a long board fan and much prefer to paddle on, step back and start turning, the Hypernut does this with ease.

I have done some testing with various sizes and versions with Scotty up at Gnaraloo and the concept works a treat in bigger conditions. With the amount of speed they generate they still have the capacity to make sections and engage / hold the rail. I know the boys have done a fair bit of testing down south and in some pretty decent size and the boards have been working well, I think this is due to the outline and more pulled in tail. This is where I think some of the earlier releases fall a little short but the Hypernut evolution delivers.

Having said that, I will probably still have a surf outline pro board in my quiver (because I can) for when it really does fire but I will use a Hypernut for the vast majority of my SUPing.

At the moment our demo board is over East (pictures above), this was an earlier version in terms of construction and colours. We are waiting for a couple of new ones to arrive but not sure when.


Cheers,
Marco

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colas said..

Burndo said..
So my concern with these boards is the lack of glide to get through these non-sections.

You should try wide, non-pulled-in tails (Simmons-like): these glide on anything.
And with the fins far back enough, it can handle some power in the sections...

Yeah - I think I also saw that in an article in TSJ about mini-Simmons shapes...fins way back and on the rail and they will handle a lot more juice than a slightly refined cupboard door really should.

Found it - was a Kidman shape/article. A Frye fish planshape with a filled in tail. I'm probably breaking copyright, so I'll just share a couple of pics and recommend to subscribe to The Surfer's Journal. 5'10 x 21.5 x 2.5 designed for 1' Greenmount....seems to hold a rail ok down the beach a little at slightly more than 1'.

cheers for the responses guys.
im still pretty new to the SUP game, but loving it as a mix with kiting and feel im improving fast and wanting to go smaller!
i see both sides between Burndo and Marco. Yes thru summer Mettams and cott has fat rolling swells that sometimes dont break. But that is when you go to trigg or scarbs. come winter it is a different beast, have seen it insanely good.
But dealing with an over 8 foot board in beacheys can be hard, and i have creased multiple boards in the short time i have been doing it now hitting shallow banks. thinking the shorter wide nose will definately help in not only strength but ease of getting the nose around and geting hits on lips, or even being able to flick off the waves.

You guys living south are spoilt! jealous.
definately keen on these. will keep in touch and curious to hear all versions/opinions.
i dont get to travel much so generally ride local and do the annual north trip and a few south trips. see i think my next step is to go somethign either in an 8"ish std surf outline, or go short vanguard. if i could get away with short id choose for sure.
Rohin

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Burndo said..






Found it - was a Kidman shape/article. A Frye fish planshape with a filled in tail. I'm probably breaking copyright, so I'll just share a couple of pics and recommend to subscribe to The Surfer's Journal. 5'10 x 21.5 x 2.5 designed for 1' Greenmount....seems to hold a rail ok down the beach a little at slightly more than 1'.

Can be holding more of 1' cause surfer's gutty and channels .
Both of the two used to stiffen the board faster you go
Back to the topic, channels on tail's Hypernut will give it a bonus thrust.

Pullin rails allows to do concave trough the tail and way more forward instead of vee like used to be design on others Vangard types. And more than others Vangard design too because in other Vangard's board, only hips allow to shape double concaves in tail area .
I will catch this good idea to my futur own board's design.
Sorry for my english,

I have my money saved I am just waiting for the medium sized one to hit the shops

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Kami said..

Can be holding more of 1' cause surfer's gutty and channels .

Sorry for my english,

gregc said..
I have my money saved I am just waiting for the medium sized one to hit the shops

Hey Kami,
Your English is not great - but much better than my French! Can you explain "surfer's gutty"? I don't think he's that fat!

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Burndo said..

Kami said..

Can be holding more of 1' cause surfer's gutty and channels .

Sorry for my english,

gregc said..
I have my money saved I am just waiting for the medium sized one to hit the shops

Hey Kami,
Your English is not great - but much better than my French! Can you explain "surfer's gutty"? I don't think he's that fat!

i mean having the "guts "( balls???) corones (in spanish), les couilles ( en francais) to pull in that barrel even with channels under his board.

Burndo, since your are posting i learnt some weird idiomatics* like " your pooh does'snt stink" or more recentlyi learn the weirdest " a cracker or a soggy biscuit" . First had been shocked but know i think i get it , so more than make me learning your langage, you make me understand your sens of humour, many thanks to you
* i'm sure some more will come soon

HAHA - yes. Language can be a funny thing. Especially when forced to look at your own in the mirror. But, like strange boards, if it works...it works!

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Kami said..

i mean having the "guts "( balls???) corones (in spanish), les couilles ( en francais) to pull in that barrel even with channels under his board.

Burndo, since your are posting i learnt some weird idiomatics* like " your pooh does'snt stink" or more recentlyi learn the weirdest " a cracker or a soggy biscuit" . First had been shocked but know i think i get it , so more than make me learning your langage, you make me understand your sens of humour, many thanks to you
* i'm sure some more will come soon

That would be 'gutsy' Kami, when someone has 'the guts' to do something like pulling into a big barrel.

I first heard 'he thinks his **** don't smell' from a South African, don't know where that one originated, the aussies have tall poppy syndrome and I think the french have the best expression, which I believe translates as 'farting higher than your asshole' is that right ?

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Jimmy29 said..

Kami said..

i mean having the "guts "( balls???) corones (in spanish), les couilles ( en francais) to pull in that barrel even with channels under his board.

Burndo, since your are posting i learnt some weird idiomatics* like " your pooh does'snt stink" or more recentlyi learn the weirdest " a cracker or a soggy biscuit" . First had been shocked but know i think i get it , so more than make me learning your langage, you make me understand your sens of humour, many thanks to you
* i'm sure some more will come soon

That would be 'gutsy' Kami, when someone has 'the guts' to do something like pulling into a big barrel.

I first heard 'he thinks his **** don't smell' from a South African, don't know where that one originated, the aussies have tall poppy syndrome and I think the french have the best expression, which I believe translates as 'farting higher than your asshole' is that right ?

Yes,! That is right Jimmy, "farting higher than your asshole" is exact translation of french expression " peter plus haut que son cul" Thank you to make me understand this expression.

But i did google about "soggy biscuit", it is Australian expression... have been chocked first but i put this expression back in a surfer's contextual, i did understand like this: the first surfboard sample of the new board model is standing front of frothing , licking folk of starved surfers, so the one who buy it in prime get it completely wet...is it right?

Have to say , mrs Palmers gave me an help to understand that one

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Kami said..
Yes,! That is right Jimmy, "farting higher than your asshole" is exact translation of french expression " peter plus haut que son cul" Thank you to make me understand this expression.

But i did google about "soggy biscuit", it is Australian expression... have been chocked first but i put this expression back in a surfer's contextual, i did understand like this: the first surfboard sample of the new board model is standing front of frothing , licking folk of starved surfers, so the one who buy it in prime get it completely wet...is it right?

Have to say , mrs Palmers gave me an help to understand that one

Can't help you with the soggy biscuit Kami, I think we need some australian input on that one, back on topic with a nut related comment - that new Starboard looks like the Badger's Nadgers

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Yes back on the topic of this HyperNut which is looking like the Badger's Nadgers in its kind of board. I would have a go on a no more than 90 liters model.

I like to watch this board pushed to the limit

The Duck's Nuts might be more appropriate here (we don't have badgers).
Incidentally, the wave pictured above is only 1-2'. The rider is 4'10, made of rubber and weighs 45kg dripping wet :)

How would you compare the stability of the 7'2 and the 7'4 VS. the 8'0 pro?