I was thinking today if solar panels used a pump to pump sea water and pumped it up a piped gradient this could be used instead of batteries
. If it was used in stagnant sea water the return could be oxygenated to assist a wet land or a slow flowing river like the Yarra or a wet lands like Seaford helping to remove the mosquito problem.
No batteries needed
whats the pros and cons of this idea?

opps meant to add using a hydo generator on the return

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HG02 said..
I was thinking today if solar panels used a pump to pump sea water and pumped it up a piped gradient this could be used instead of batteries
. If it was used in stagnant sea water the return could be oxygenated to assist a wet land or a slow flowing river like the Yarra or a wet lands like Seaford helping to remove the mosquito problem.
No batteries needed
whats the pros and cons of this idea?

Definitely do-able, but to replace batteries (which have high energy density) you'd need to store a LOT of water. For example, 1 litre/second falling 5m at 90% efficiency generates about 44W. That's 3.67A at 12V, or 88Ah over 24 hours. But you'd go through 1,440 litres in the process!

BTW, here's Vic company making desalinators/purifiers based on solar distillation:

www.fcubed.com.au/aspx/home.aspx

That is the whole beauty behind good hydro schemes, such as the Snowy Mountains scheme. It uses very cheap power in off peak times to pump water up a series of higher dams, and when demand is at it's peak they let it flow back through the generators - getting a very high rate for the power. Originally constructed to use the excess from base load coal, today it can take power from any source including renewable and store it.

But there has not been a government for a very long time to back such a huge infrastructure project. Let alone getting any dam built these days.

While salt water will work - corrosion adds problems, as well as adding salt to environments that don't like it.

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scruzin said..

HG02 said..
I was thinking today if solar panels used a pump to pump sea water and pumped it up a piped gradient this could be used instead of batteries
. If it was used in stagnant sea water the return could be oxygenated to assist a wet land or a slow flowing river like the Yarra or a wet lands like Seaford helping to remove the mosquito problem.
No batteries needed
whats the pros and cons of this idea?

Definitely do-able, but to replace batteries (which have high energy density) you'd need to store a LOT of water. For example, 1 litre/second falling 5m at 90% efficiency generates about 44W. That's 3.67A at 12V, or 88Ah over 24 hours. But you'd go through 1,440 litres in the process!

Yes but continual use over twenty years and grouped solar panels from a city or suburb pumping sea water up a gradient
and returning the sea water over night much like a battery saving energy
and or Lake eye is below sea level

pump sea water towards lake eye and at night and peak hour return the sea water via a sea Hydo generator
if you use fresh water as in a dam you loose cooling for the ocean and its tectonic plates which eventually will buckle further and produce tidal waves and other problems
and also heating the ocean sea water and reducing the oceans ability to circulate
To me if we added dry ice to the barrier reef you would lower the ocean temp. lower the PH level and the sea plants can convert the CO2 to oxygen.
To me if you added sea water to lake eye the artisan basin would work and its did thousand of years ago as it was part of the ocean its a big sand filter that runs to Darwin and also did run to the barrier reef cooling the barrier reef that's what it did

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HG02 said..

scruzin said..

HG02 said..
I was thinking today if solar panels used a pump to pump sea water and pumped it up a piped gradient this could be used instead of batteries
. If it was used in stagnant sea water the return could be oxygenated to assist a wet land or a slow flowing river like the Yarra or a wet lands like Seaford helping to remove the mosquito problem.
No batteries needed
whats the pros and cons of this idea?

Definitely do-able, but to replace batteries (which have high energy density) you'd need to store a LOT of water. For example, 1 litre/second falling 5m at 90% efficiency generates about 44W. That's 3.67A at 12V, or 88Ah over 24 hours. But you'd go through 1,440 litres in the process!

Yes but continual use over twenty years and grouped solar panels from a city or suburb pumping sea water up a gradient
and returning the sea water over night much like a battery saving energy
and or Lake eye is below sea level

pump sea water towards lake eye and at night and peak hour return the sea water via a sea Hydo generator
if you use fresh water as in a dam you loose cooling for the ocean and its tectonic plates which eventually will buckle further and produce tidal waves and other problems
and also heating the ocean sea water and reducing the oceans ability to circulate
To me if we added dry ice to the barrier reef you would lower the ocean temp. lower the PH level and the sea plants can convert the CO2 to oxygen.
To me if you added sea water to lake eye the artisan basin would work and its did thousand of years ago as it was part of the ocean its a big sand filter that runs to Darwin and also did run to the barrier reef cooling the barrier reef that's what it did

This is the problem HG, not the solution. Adding dry ice (CO2) acidifies the ocean, which dissolves the calcium in the coral and other shelled creatures. The higher CO2 levels in the atmosphere are already having this effect.

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Yara said..

HG02 said..

scruzin said..

HG02 said..
I was thinking today if solar panels used a pump to pump sea water and pumped it up a piped gradient this could be used instead of batteries
. If it was used in stagnant sea water the return could be oxygenated to assist a wet land or a slow flowing river like the Yarra or a wet lands like Seaford helping to remove the mosquito problem.
No batteries needed
whats the pros and cons of this idea?

Definitely do-able, but to replace batteries (which have high energy density) you'd need to store a LOT of water. For example, 1 litre/second falling 5m at 90% efficiency generates about 44W. That's 3.67A at 12V, or 88Ah over 24 hours. But you'd go through 1,440 litres in the process!

Yes but continual use over twenty years and grouped solar panels from a city or suburb pumping sea water up a gradient
and returning the sea water over night much like a battery saving energy
and or Lake eye is below sea level

pump sea water towards lake eye and at night and peak hour return the sea water via a sea Hydo generator
if you use fresh water as in a dam you loose cooling for the ocean and its tectonic plates which eventually will buckle further and produce tidal waves and other problems
and also heating the ocean sea water and reducing the oceans ability to circulate
To me if we added dry ice to the barrier reef you would lower the ocean temp. lower the PH level and the sea plants can convert the CO2 to oxygen.
To me if you added sea water to lake eye the artisan basin would work and its did thousand of years ago as it was part of the ocean its a big sand filter that runs to Darwin and also did run to the barrier reef cooling the barrier reef that's what it did

This is the problem HG, not the solution. Adding dry ice (CO2) acidifies the ocean, which dissolves the calcium in the coral and other shelled creatures. The higher CO2 levels in the atmosphere are already having this effect.

There's a man in Queensland who ploughing his exhaust emissions into the ground as he sows hes seed and the plants are thriving twice as fast growth and yeld

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Yara said..

HG02 said..

scruzin said..

HG02 said..
I was thinking today if solar panels used a pump to pump sea water and pumped it up a piped gradient this could be used instead of batteries
. If it was used in stagnant sea water the return could be oxygenated to assist a wet land or a slow flowing river like the Yarra or a wet lands like Seaford helping to remove the mosquito problem.
No batteries needed
whats the pros and cons of this idea?

Definitely do-able, but to replace batteries (which have high energy density) you'd need to store a LOT of water. For example, 1 litre/second falling 5m at 90% efficiency generates about 44W. That's 3.67A at 12V, or 88Ah over 24 hours. But you'd go through 1,440 litres in the process!

Yes but continual use over twenty years and grouped solar panels from a city or suburb pumping sea water up a gradient
and returning the sea water over night much like a battery saving energy
and or Lake eye is below sea level

pump sea water towards lake eye and at night and peak hour return the sea water via a sea Hydo generator
if you use fresh water as in a dam you loose cooling for the ocean and its tectonic plates which eventually will buckle further and produce tidal waves and other problems
and also heating the ocean sea water and reducing the oceans ability to circulate
To me if we added dry ice to the barrier reef you would lower the ocean temp. lower the PH level and the sea plants can convert the CO2 to oxygen.
To me if you added sea water to lake eye the artisan basin would work and its did thousand of years ago as it was part of the ocean its a big sand filter that runs to Darwin and also did run to the barrier reef cooling the barrier reef that's what it did

This is the problem HG, not the solution. Adding dry ice (CO2) acidifies the ocean, which dissolves the calcium in the coral and other shelled creatures. The higher CO2 levels in the atmosphere are already having this effect.

But if the sea plants convert it to oxygen the reef would flourish it would need the correct location to benefit the reef maybe ocean currents and not quite on the reef so the oxygenated water flowed to the reef via the sea plants
When dry ice is added to water, some of it forms carbonic acid, and lowers the pH

nice stuff scruzin
www.fcubed.com.au/aspx/home.aspx

to me if CO2 was captured at a power station and bubble in a sea plant dam it would give off oxygen
and also pressurize some to 300 psi and you have dry ice then when the next bush fire comes sprinkle parallelized dry ice over the fire to suppress it
than keep some if the dry ice to snap freeze veggies and beef send it around the world

check this out

BTW, Lake Eyre is too shallow (only 9m below sea level) and too far (over 300km) to be used for water storage.

IMO, we should be doing a better job of harnessing naturally-ocurring tidal energy.

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scruzin said..
BTW, Lake Eyre is too shallow (only 9m below sea level) and too far (over 300km) to be used for water storage.

IMO, we should be doing a better job of harnessing naturally-ocurring tidal energy.

so it could be a siphon
Lake Eyre North, is 15.2 below sea level

and think of the rain fall it might produce

so roughly a highest point would be near Adelaide
sorry for the heavy print

MY idea of a wind generator which came to me the other day when I was thinking about a front hatch wind catcher to put a breeze in the cabin
The opening port lights I have its when I'm cooking don't want any CO2 in the cabin any way
after thinking about the wind catch I came up with this idea
Picture a opera house roof sitting on a slew ring ( part them make a excavator turn 360 degrees)
I could capture air in any direction and this opera house roof could also be a thermal solar system as the opera house roof could be a parabolic mirror with the receiver in the center ,what ever
the wind is ducted to a drum fan similar to a old evaporative air con fan but this one is shaped like a Ozzie rules football
there are two wind ports focused on the football fan and at the circumference these two wind port focus the center of the football drum fan
This being first gear as the two focus ports of air move to the ends of the football fan they obtain a high gear
So the football drum fan has a variable speed.
so so far we can do two ways of generating power one thermal the other wind and there is no wind mill in the sky only opera house wind and thermal collectors
At the end of the football fan there are two stators generating power and with the addition of a diesel generator powered by methane from a tip or natural gas it gives a low emissions

a basic concept below and how better Icon than a Aussie rules football and the opera house roof
Beats a house house wind generator we use now which is basically imported