Seems I've accidentally sold my boat, but I've still got a mooring so, I'd better put something on it soon.

Suggestions for a 36-42, preferably 2 cabin cruising style, easily singlehanded, 2000's upwards, prefer 2005 upward

Not much pickings besides French production boats, which I'm not against. Bav's I'm not overly keen on. Any other suggestions on Brands/Models, Adams are hit/miss depending on build, what else am I missing?

Obviously bang for buck is what I'm after, don't mind doing some upgrading of essentials, but not interested in a everything original and needs replacing.
Not a racer, so light weight bare boat is not for me

If anyone hears of anything pre-market, would be good to know, yes trawled through the normal 3 Oz sites over and over and then again.

Just missed a SO409 in Langkawi, so even in Pacific/Asia I'm ok, US/Europe are too far in current situation.

I know the market prices and watching closely, but finding the one to suit is the waiting game.

Models I could live with, Jeanneau Sun Odyssey, Bene Oceanis, Dufour Non performance(traveller)
Bene Firsts have some layouts that work, but not many.
Catalinas forgot to adapt
Any others to watch for?

And somewhere down the line, will resell.Off topic, In mast furling.... if the boat had a tick on most 'Wants', is it a deal breaker? I've never used it, or know the losses/hassles, but it just doesn't look right

So if anyone knows someone with the Unicorn at the end of a rainbow, keep me in mind.

The question is too open.

What is the budget??

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cisco said..
The question is too open.

What is the budget??

Re:Budget- a year model 2005 or younger, 36-42 Production Cruiser automatically sets a wide budget range I give you that, My refined search settings input is 90-150k, so no Swans/Oysters/Hallberg-Rassy high end, also no home built Adams ( no offence, some are great)and the likes. The question had 2 parts- A) aside from Jean,Bene,Bav,Dufour line up, what others to consider? B) Anyone know of someone looking to sell the likes of the description.

The age of course changes the price dramatically, if I was to narrow further, sweet spot for me is 38-40, 2007-2012, under 150k, sounds optimistic, however there's been quite a few in last 6 months, my timing was off.

Bit early in the season as the Milk run boats haven't arrived and are locked down somewhere between French Polynesia and Fiji if they got a early start, however there might be others laying around on East Coast Oz looking for a new owner.And yes, Yachthub/Boatsales/Boatsonline/Yachtworld are visited daily.

2000 upwards Catalina 34 or 36. Coastal cruiser.
All mod cons, 2 cabins, robust design. Designed for cruising.
In-mast furling and despite uninformed naysayers, perfect for single handing. It provides infinite reefing settings, so you can balance the boat perfectly for electric autohelm or windvane.
Here's my 2005 Catalina 34.

Have a look a look a the Van de Stadt Helena for sale in Qld.
My pick

That VdS Helena "Gypsy Hawk" is a beauty but the timber and tiller steering may not be in the mix?

How do you "accidentally" sell a boat?

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Yara said..
How do you "accidentally" sell a boat?

You deliberately advertise the first week of social distancing/Isolation near the start of winter and put Expressions of Interest, and no unrealistic offers.I expected to be out Whale watching, then Spring sailing before all the twilight racers started....Plan was to sell in 6-9 months, after lining up another Yacht in the sights....Hence the post, in a few weeks the mooring will be unattended, and I'll have to do all those things I've been putting off for ages..without having an excuse like, the weathers nice, just need to do a odd job on her, I'll only be 1hr etc

Where's the mooring?

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lydia said..
Have a look a look a the Van de Stadt Helena for sale in Qld.
My pick

OMG Yes!
Well above the other contenders, I recon.

I had a look at Gypsy Hawk a couple of years ago however "strip plank" construction was not a selling point, plus the owner was not negotiable on price. I see two years later the asking price has hardly changed.

Ilenart

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r13 said..
That VdS Helena "Gypsy Hawk" is a beauty but the timber and tiller steering may not be in the mix?

I'm sure it's a lovely yacht but not for me.
Something a little more modern, and no tiller, and sugar scoop, GRP, Sloop, maybe Cutter rigged but not often found in this size. Big Bimini/Cockpit, modern interior.... basically a French Production Style cruiser,

Doesn't need to be Blue Water boat, a setup production boat will go most of the places i want to go.

Without highjacking my own thread, in mast furling, I can see the benefits of infinite reefing, but are there noticeable performance over a standard Dacron cruising main? No batterns - any issues, and finally, jamming on furling, does it happen often or only at the worst times? Improvement over boom furling I've been told, but have no experience with either.

If others found a boat with most other boxes ticked, would a mast furling main be a show stopper? Seeing more and more around, anyone with experience of both, and had the choice again, which way would you go?

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r13 said..
That VdS Helena "Gypsy Hawk" is a beauty but the timber and tiller steering may not be in the mix?

I'm sure it's a lovely yacht but not for me.
Something a little more modern, and no tiller, and sugar scoop, GRP, Sloop, maybe Cutter rigged but not often found in this size. Big Bimini/Cockpit, modern interior.... basically a French Production Style cruiser,

Doesn't need to be Blue Water boat, a setup production boat will go most of the places i want to go.

Without highjacking my own thread, in mast furling, I can see the benefits of infinite reefing, but are there noticeable performance over a standard Dacron cruising main? No batterns - any issues, and finally, jamming on furling, does it happen often or only at the worst times? Improvement over boom furling I've been told, but have no experience with either.

If others found a boat with most other boxes ticked, would a mast furling main be a show stopper? Seeing more and more around, anyone with experience of both, and had the choice again, which way would you go?

Yeah I don't know about the in mast furling either, I guess I'd be in your camp having heard not so good things about the quality of the sail set and then there are the stories about them jamming and leaving you in the poo if the conditions get serious. A local Farr designed boat down here has an in-boom furler, and it does very well on club racing circuit despite it's cruising oriented fit out. I think if I wanted main furling, I would lean towards the boom furler solution. It still gives you infinite control over reefing, doesn't mean any compromises with the sail design, and if the poo hits the fan and it jams, then you can still drop it quickly. But I have absolutely no experience with either, so I'm just gas bagging really. The boat I mentioned above is a Farr 41mx , nice design and nice clean euro style interior with all the mod cons. One of these might fit your bill if one ever turns up on the market, I think Johno got this one out of Hong Kong, but from memory it's NZ built, could be wrong...

www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/x-yachts-x-35/245277
Of course I'm an X-yacht fanboy so I am biased: sparkling performance, seaworthy and the keel won't fall off. what more can you ask for.
As for the in mast furling I just don't get it. 3 slab reefs with a deep 3rd reef and a good lazy jack/boom bag is by far the best solution in my opinion.
I have infinite reefing options on a headsail roller furler but always furl to one of three furling marks on the foot. If I had in boom furling I would probably furl to a preset mark as well. Is there really an advantage to infinite reefing options.

My current yacht (HR 40) came with in-mast furling and it has been fine. Have yet to have a jam or frankly any issues with it. This has been the same experience with friends with their Catalina 40, which was also their first in-mast furling. The infinite reefing has been very useful and very easy to match thefurled jib or the staysail. The real winner has been the wife's ease of being able to easily reef the main sail in 20-30 knots. The in-mast furling is really light to winch. If I were you would not treat it as a show stopper, whether it did or did not have in-must furling is not an issue. However once you have it I would not look at trying to replace. I have have heard of quotes of $40-50k to swap from in-mast furling to jeefing reefing for a 40 ft yacht.

Ilenart

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andy59 said..
www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/x-yachts-x-35/245277
Of course I'm an X-yacht fanboy so I am biased: sparkling performance, seaworthy and the keel won't fall off. what more can you ask for.
As for the in mast furling I just don't get it. 3 slab reefs with a deep 3rd reef and a good lazy jack/boom bag is by far the best solution in my opinion.
I have infinite reefing options on a headsail roller furler but always furl to one of three furling marks on the foot. If I had in boom furling I would probably furl to a preset mark as well. Is there really an advantage to infinite reefing options.

Nice, yeah buy that one!

As a rigger who has worked on European production boats quite a bit, I'll throw my 2c worth on the rig...
Furlers;
Anything with a facnor or profurl furler will be harder to furl and give you a bad reefed sail shape due to no tack and head swivel.

Standing Rigging;
If it has original rigging, budget to replace asap. Most of the s/s wire we pull off these boats is magnetic, turnbuckles and spreader tip pins are often seized.

Mast;
Some European boats have spreader bases with 2 clevis pins attaching the spreader to the spigot. They allow too much movement and eventually can wear or even break the spreader.

Other things;
- not a fan of the Bene chainplate setup with the stemballs and cover plate. They are difficult to inspect and a total pain to replace
- check cast alloy parts closely for wear, like goosenecks
- agree on in mast furling, not a fan. If the main halyard goes back to the cockpit I have a cheap method to bring all reefing lines back to the cockpit (leech and luff)
- if you can, find a boat with twin wheels

Just my thoughts

Ok, so I have Bav 37, 2006 model. And with single line reefing it is a breeze to single hand. Yes more hassle to hoist the main on those days where you may motor or just use the head sail. But once you have a fully battened main set, it really is a better thing than those in mast furled mains. IMHO
Another brand that might fit the budget is a Hanse? I like the concept of staying with the Jib headsail, adding a Gennaker on a furler, for a easy and speedie single hander!

Cheers Richard

Hi,

Our boat is a 40 foot Hanse, with conventional main. We were wary of the in mast furling, but note that around 50 percent of new boats are now delivered with in mast furling, so there must be some attraction and maybe the reports of problems overstated. I know people with the in mast furling and they love the simplicity of reefing. I could not comment on any possible issues as the systems age......
We like the conventional main, but note that the booms on modern boats are fairy high so packing up the main can be a stretch. I am about 1.8m height and am up on my toes and use the mast steps to pull the zipper home. The boom on Jeanneau are about 100mm higher than the Hanse, so have a good look at methods to pack up the main. If you have mobility issues it may be worth looking at the in mast furler.

We also love the self tacking headsail. Most of our sailing is two up and the simplicity is wonderfull. The major disadvantage is that there is no control of twist when downwind, and we often oversheet the jib to limit sail flap. The Hanse main is big, which compensates somewhat.

Second Rumblefish's comments about twin wheels, give great forward visibility on these wide beam boats.

What about Elan? This one seems to fit your needs, this one has proven offshore also

www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/elan-impression-384/246013

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AzureF305 said..
What about Elan? This one seems to fit your needs, this one has proven offshore also

www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/elan-impression-384/246013

For sure second that, a top all rounder.

Re the mast furling, I spent a week on an older Bavaria 45 with in-mast furling and was not impressed. It would frequently jam and fold the sail. I don't doubt that new systems work well, but my experience indicates that usage and wear will get the thing to misbehave. I vote no.

please be sure to let us know what you do buy .

Next to my mooring is an Amel with electric/hydraulic furlers and in mast furling ketch rigged. Has ice making machine , automatic washing machine, water maker etc. The motors on the furling systems are starting to play up. Trying to find people to come and fix these issues is a bit of a problem.

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Ramona said..
Next to my mooring is an Amel with electric/hydraulic furlers and in mast furling ketch rigged. Has ice making machine , automatic washing machine, water maker etc. The motors on the furling systems are starting to play up. Trying to find people to come and fix these issues is a bit of a problem.

For me electric / hydraulic furlers, particularly with in-mast furling, are an uneccessary complication. On my 40ft yacht the in-mast furling has a manual winch built into the mast, which is so light anything else is unnecessary. Plus if the hydraulic / electric furlers break down the manual overide is very heavy. Unless you have a +55ft sloop I would stick with manual in-mast furling. If anything, have 1-2 electric winches in the cockpit, which the furling lines can be run back to.

Ilenart

I race on an Elan 35 (s4).
Beautifully built boat!

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Ramona said..
Next to my mooring is an Amel with electric/hydraulic furlers and in mast furling ketch rigged. Has ice making machine , automatic washing machine, water maker etc. The motors on the furling systems are starting to play up. Trying to find people to come and fix these issues is a bit of a problem.

Amel are amazing boats but they make so much stuff custom rather than buy what everyone else uses.
Furlers are a classic example, they use a Bosch motor and gearbox and then make an adapter to suit the foil, which is 1 peice ??
$10k to buy and land the headsail foil in Oz!!
Their rigging is also strange, undersize pins, upside down turnbuckles and they spec their rigging to be insanely tight, like extension bar on a 12" shifter tight!!

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AzureF305 said..
What about Elan? This one seems to fit your needs, this one has proven offshore also

www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/elan-impression-384/246013

Keep going back and looking at this one for a while, it's been up for some months now, might have to go have a peek. Not sure about the homemade dive platform, and the holes left behind if removed.

The other Elan listed looks interesting too, lots of money spent, new engine and standing rigging, is a great start. It has a furling main, but new sails!

how many hulls?

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crustysailor said..
how many hulls?

Can afford 1, Wish it was 2...and 3 is one to many