Hi All,
Is anyone entering this race?
I'm thinking about it... just a little!
Apparently no solo class so would do the shorthanded in which both 2 crew have to have radio operator license, Senior First Aid and safety and survival at sea.
I could be looking for crew.
Race starts 2nd August 2019
www.rqys.com.au/brisbane-to-hamilton-island-yacht-race
Remember your boat will need to meet cat 2 which can be quite involved and costly if starting from scratch.
Select to expand quoteMcNaughtical said..
Hi All,
Is anyone entering this race?
I'm thinking about it... just a little!
Apparently no solo class so would do the shorthanded in which both 2 crew have to have radio operator license, Senior First Aid and safety and survival at sea.
I could be looking for crew.
Race starts 2nd August 2019
www.rqys.com.au/brisbane-to-hamilton-island-yacht-race
I need a longer notice period, I am sorry, but August 2 is just too close...
if not for a race, it can be a great trip!
www.rqys.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Brisbane-to-Hamilton-Island-Yacht-Race-2019-Notice-of-Race-RQYS.pdf
ELIGIBILITY
h. be fitted with AIS with the ability to send and receive which shall be active in both modes at all times**
**Unless you are WOXI
Select to expand quotelydia said..
Entry is for boats 52 feet and over!!!!
Yep, great racetrack in principle, but a long way for a 40' with atypical Qld breezes.
I wish the idea was borne with the ma and pa kettle fleet in mind, but I fear this is more of a select few wanting to play on their really big expensive toys and bugger the little guy..
Select to expand quoteFreeRadical said..
www.rqys.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Brisbane-to-Hamilton-Island-Yacht-Race-2019-Notice-of-Race-RQYS.pdf
ELIGIBILITY
h. be fitted with AIS with the ability to send and receive which shall be active in both modes at all times**
**Unless you are WOXI
Select to expand quotelydia said..
Entry is for boats 52 feet and over!!!!
LWL >7.5 metres (4.1.C)
BB, Lydia is being tongue in cheek. He is referring to how the race was conceived, which was allegedly discussed by a certain length boat with a couple of identical length boats and a bigger one or two, and then with not even a toss of salt over the shoulder a race was announced at Hammo this year.
No consultation with the club. No consultation with the existing sponsors of races that are impacted.
No consultation at all with anyone.
But a great way to get your TP or Maxi to the Whitsundays for Hammo.
On the face of it, one cannot think of whether it is greed by a select few with no regard at all for anyone else, and using the club money and sponsors to fund it and get them another shiny thing for the cupboard along the way.
I'm quite embarrassed about the way its been handled actually as a club member, it feels grubby.
Select to expand quotelydia said..
Entry is for boats 52 feet and over!!!!
It's actually a minimum WL length of 7.5 metres. And what Jode said could be put a little more bluntly. The cost of bringing a boat up to Cat 2 from scratch is Prohibitevely expensive, particularly for old boats that don't have the design stability and scantling computations. Then there is cost of equipment and crew qualifications.
I might have have a look at entering the shorthanded division if the timing fits in with competing in the 2nd Australia2Fiji shorthanded "Laser" race.
Select to expand quoteshaggybaxter said..
BB, Lydia is being tongue in cheek. He is referring to how the race was conceived, which was allegedly discussed by a certain length boat with a couple of identical length boats and a bigger one or two, and then with not even a toss of salt over the shoulder a race was announced at Hammo this year.
No consultation with the club. No consultation with the existing sponsors of races that are impacted.
No consultation at all with anyone.
But a great way to get your TP or Maxi to the Whitsundays for Hammo.
On the face of it, one cannot think of whether it is greed by a select few with no regard at all for anyone else, and using the club money and sponsors to fund it and get them another shiny thing for the cupboard along the way.
I'm quite embarrassed about the way its been handled actually as a club member, it feels grubby.
Oh well bugger em I won't enter.
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The race was conceived to **** on the existing Brisbane to Keppel Race because a TP 52 could not get into the boat harbour and has to anchor outside.
Maintaining the cat 2 requirement is just to exclude people.
QCYC went to cat 3 upgraded for Gladstone which over the same course and got nearly 70 entires.
I no longer race let alone Ocean Race but it seems to me Ocean Racing
has become a little bit too elitist and precious due partly to the over regulated safety requirements. In this years SH there were only 6 boats under 40 feet whereas in 2000 ( arbitrary year picked ) there were over 20. The seas are no worse and aside from the 1998 SH ,which IMO was under regulated , there have been very few fatalities. I don't buy that boats were more seaworthy back in the year when the only communication was HF . Are we pricing the sport out of the market?
Just now saw a similar discussion as my post on that other sailing site by persons far more knowledgeable than myself..
it will be another terrible race conducted at the wrong time of the year the same as the Keppel race with lots of calms probability of finishing in a 40 footer very low best left to the 100 foot motor boats
Select to expand quoteBananabender said..
I no longer race let alone Ocean Race but it seems to me Ocean Racing
has become a little bit too elitist and precious due partly to the over regulated safety requirements. In this years SH there were only 6 boats under 40 feet whereas in 2000 ( arbitrary year picked ) there were over 20. The seas are no worse and aside from the 1998 SH ,which IMO was under regulated , there have been very few fatalities. I don't buy that boats were more seaworthy back in the year when the only communication was HF . Are we pricing the sport out of the market?
Yes.
I love racing, but I love racing more when the small family boats in the fleet have a real chance of winning. I think what we are seeing is the we've dropped the ball on the handicapping formulas. When there is little, or zero, chance of a backmarker in the fleet never even coming close to a podium finish, even when they've sailed incredibly well, I think we have a problem.
I love the pure bred race boats, I wouldn't own one but they're awesome to crawl over and race against. But when the handicap winner of most well known yacht races is also a > $ 1million dollar race boat, we're doing it wrong.
I thought that the line honours trophy was for the out and out racers. I thought the handicap trophy was to prevent race wars and allow the average boat a real shot?
I can't remember the last time I saw a Davidson 34 or an Farr 40 win on handicap against a current shiny new toy. Why do we penalise the older boats when they are the mainstay of our sport?
If racing isn't fun because they are all pro sailors that dont even stay for a trophy presentation and catch the next flight out, if its too dear because the grand prix level means you have to spend the purchase price of your boat again just to stay competitive, and we allow abuse of committee positions and club funds chasing more races biased toward the $ million dollar race boats, we'll kill the sport in a generation.
Like what we have done since the trailer sailor boom in Australia, or the 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 tonner evolution. That was brilliant racing with family hacks on lead mines, we raced as hard then and the sport was never stronger.
Just to add in a real world example, I just finished my budget and plan for next Years Hobart, and i wont see any change from $50K.
That's a lot of money for a single race, and that's with a 3yr old boat which is a bit of a head start compared to normal.
Shaggy, double that you forgot the family holiday after the race to make up for the time away getting ready.
Sapphire is about $2.5k a night that time of year.
A wise investment for you!
Select to expand quoteshaggybaxter said..
Just to add in a real world example, I just finished my budget and plan for next Years Hobart, and i wont see any change from $50K.
That's a lot of money for a single race, and that's with a 3yr old boat which is a bit of a head start compared to normal.
I see gosford sailing ckub are running a 1/4 & 1/2 ton regatta
Select to expand quotetwodogs1969 said..shaggybaxter said..
Just to add in a real world example, I just finished my budget and plan for next Years Hobart, and i wont see any change from $50K.
That's a lot of money for a single race, and that's with a 3yr old boat which is a bit of a head start compared to normal.
I see gosford sailing ckub are running a 1/4 & 1/2 ton regatta
Twodogs, that would be awesome to see. Bloopers!
Select to expand quotelydia said..
Shaggy, double that you forgot the family holiday after the race to make up for the time away getting ready.
Sapphire is about $2.5k a night that time of year.
A wise investment for you!
Hi Lydia,
Do I have to tell Mrs Shaggy? Can't I feign a sick relative for a couple of months?
Will look into the 1/2 ton race. Shame, got rid of my blooper a couple of years ago when all we seemed to do was catch prawns instead of wind.
Select to expand quoteshaggybaxter said..
Just to add in a real world example, I just finished my budget and plan for next Years Hobart, and i wont see any change from $50K.
That's a lot of money for a single race, and that's with a 3yr old boat which is a bit of a head start compared to normal.
Why don't you do the AUS2FIJI shorthanded laser triathalon instead. ......1st leg. any departure port from Australia to Port Denarau, 2 handed carrying a laser as deck cargo, 2 nd leg is compete in the Oceania Laser Masters Regatta, 3 rd leg bike ride in Fiji on a bike also carried aboard. This will be the second event, I was sole entrant in the first.
Select to expand quoteshaggybaxter said..lydia said..
Shaggy, double that you forgot the family holiday after the race to make up for the time away getting ready.
Sapphire is about $2.5k a night that time of year.
A wise investment for you!
Hi Lydia,
Do I have to tell Mrs Shaggy? Can't I feign a sick relative for a couple of months?
Your closest friends will make sure she knows
L
Select to expand quotefrant said..shaggybaxter said..
Just to add in a real world example, I just finished my budget and plan for next Years Hobart, and i wont see any change from $50K.
That's a lot of money for a single race, and that's with a 3yr old boat which is a bit of a head start compared to normal.
Why don't you do the AUS2FIJI shorthanded laser triathalon instead. ......1st leg. any departure port from Australia to Port Denarau, 2 handed carrying a laser as deck cargo, 2 nd leg is compete in the Oceania Laser Masters Regatta, 3 rd leg bike ride in Fiji on a bike also carried aboard. This will be the second event, I was sole entrant in the first.
G'day Frant,
That sounds fantastic mate but you lost me when you mentioned the bike ride. I hope its on the bitumen and flat courses, I shudder to think of attempting a mountain bike in those hills!
Select to expand quotelydia said..shaggybaxter said..lydia said..
Shaggy, double that you forgot the family holiday after the race to make up for the time away getting ready.
Sapphire is about $2.5k a night that time of year.
A wise investment for you!
Hi Lydia,
Do I have to tell Mrs Shaggy? Can't I feign a sick relative for a couple of months?
Your closest friends will make sure she knows
L
