Which sailboat would you most say fits the description above and why?

All of them

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None of them, but:

Definitions of Sailing :

" The fine art of getting soaked and becoming sick whilst slowly going nowhere at great expense."

I went for a sail on this a few years ago when it was in Hobart and they were chasing crew to compete in a race (we never competed but that is another story) and at the time it was in need of a bit of tlc and it was hard work

Regards Don

As the great man once said:

"Never have so many gone such a short way, so slowly, in such discomfort, at such expense, at such risk to life and limb, for no reason whatsoever"

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Donk107 said..
I went for a sail on this a few years ago when it was in Hobart and they were chasing crew to compete in a race (we never competed but that is another story) and at the time it was in need of a bit of tlc and it was hard work

Regards Don

Is that the old Frers Maxi Ragamuffin? It's hard to see at that angle.

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the slogan doesn't make sense for a SV .





" Boring, Slow, Hard Work "

a boring boat is not a sail boat ..... if a SV is slow , its more than likely not hard work.

hard work is a fast SV.

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Pewit said..
Which sailboat would you most say fits the description above and why?

Its pretty hard to comment without starting a fight Pewit, we are mostly Australians

If I'm doing 6 knots motor or sail I'm happy in 12 ton!

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Chris 249 said..

Donk107 said..
I went for a sail on this a few years ago when it was in Hobart and they were chasing crew to compete in a race (we never competed but that is another story) and at the time it was in need of a bit of tlc and it was hard work

Regards Don

Is that the old Frers Maxi Ragamuffin? It's hard to see at that angle.

It is

When I sailed on her she was pretty rough and a lot of the gear on her was old and tired

Regards Don

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Pewit said..
Which sailboat would you most say fits the description above and why?

judging by the amount of boats that overtook us on our recent cruise, I have a reasonably good answer to that question,but I don't want to put myself in ! On the upside tho you do get a good chance to admire all those other boats under sail

Gee, Peewit, why do you have to be so negative to other types of boats?

The Weta is just about the slowest modern multi available. In the sort of conditions in your photo it normally gets beaten by old Windrush, Mari and Hobie 14s dragged out of backyards. It's also a lot of fun, and all the Weta sailors I know love their boats. But why on earth do you have to market your boat by slagging off others?

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Chris 249 said..
Gee, Peewit, why do you have to be so negative to other types of boats?

The Weta is just about the slowest modern multi available. In the sort of conditions in your photo it normally gets beaten by old Windrush, Mari and Hobie 14s dragged out of backyards. It's also a lot of fun, and all the Weta sailors I know love their boats. But why on earth do you have to market your boat by slagging off others?

Unlike your post, I haven't "slagged off" any particular boat - as others seem to be doing a much better job.

The Weta isn't a Ferrari like a Nacra 17, A-Class etc but we don't all have the desire to swim that often or spend so much money. The Weta is more like a Mazda MX5: you can take it out and have fun in almost any conditions and even take someone with you (try racing an H16 in 35 knots!).

Handicap systems mostly give the Weta between the H14 and H16 although it depends on the conditions and course direction and I beat all of those boats you list on the water at the Peter Loft Marathon race last weekend - although Rod Waterhouse won it in his H16 but then he'd win in just about anything - he was third overall at the 2017 World Masters Games in Auckland in the 52-strong Weta fleet, having only sailed it for a month beforehand.

It's just that you've started more than one thread asking leading questions that point out downsides of sailing and then raise the Weta as the answer. And describing a boat as "a lot of fun" and saying that Weta sailors "love their boats" (as I did) is hardly slagging the Weta off.

Basically, if you are going to be negative about so many other boats then you can hardly complain if people are negative about the Weta. Why not promote your great little boat by being positive about the sport instead?

Some handicap systems give the Weta a significantly slower rating - the biggest in the world, the British one, rates them as much slower than the Hobie 14 (950 v 879). I have been present at discussions with Weta and 14' cat sailors about yardsticks and from what they tell me, in a big breeze the cats are faster; if not I apologise. They do go damn well in light winds which is one reason I actually like them - just not some of the ways they are promoted.

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Chris 249 said..
It's just that you've started more than one thread asking leading questions that point out downsides of sailing and then raise the Weta as the answer. And describing a boat as "a lot of fun" and saying that Weta sailors "love their boats" (as I did) is hardly slagging the Weta off.

Basically, if you are going to be negative about so many other boats then you can hardly complain if people are negative about the Weta. Why not promote your great little boat by being positive about the sport instead?

Some handicap systems give the Weta a significantly slower rating - the biggest in the world, the British one, rates them as much slower than the Hobie 14 (950 v 879). I have been present at discussions with Weta and 14' cat sailors about yardsticks and from what they tell me, in a big breeze the cats are faster; if not I apologise. They do go damn well in light winds which is one reason I actually like them - just not some of the ways they are promoted.

The Weta has a slogan "Fun.Fast.Easy" so I was looking for a boat/photo that epitomises the antonym to that slogan for a marketing campaign. I'm sorry you don't like the way the Weta is promoted but I don't see many other off-the-beach multihull manufacturers doing *any* promotion.

I've never sailed at an event with cat sailors in a big breeze because usually they get off the water when it blows up over 25 knots - Multihull club, Palm Beach SC, abandons racing above 23 knots! When we raced at Woollarah SC in Sydney Harbour this year and it blew up over 35 knots (measured on the start boat) only the Flying Dutchmen and Wetas remained for the race.

The Portsmouth numbers are based on returns from clubs and you'll note that there are only 53 races for the Weta to produce this data compared with 100s for most other classes. Multis aren't popular in the UK (where most of the data comes from) as they take up space in the boat parks and many clubs sail on small lakes which don't allow them. The RYA use SCHRS for cat handicaps.
www.rya.org.uk/contact-us/Pages/404.aspx?oldUrl=/SiteCollectionDocuments/technical/Web%20Documents/PY%20Documentation/PN%20List%202017(Web%20Version).pdf

The main issue for the Weta (compared to cats) is the amount of drag in low winds in sub-planing mode. Fortunately Weta have just announced a larger square top main (9.3 vs 8.3 sqm) and lighter foam built hull (12kg lighter) which will make it quicker in the light stuff.
www.wetamarine.com/news-and-events/exciting-new-upgrade-options-for-weta/