This keel removal happend last week apparently after hitting a reef. And I wonder if that back hoe will pull her up onto the dock? , disposable.com yachts!

Hi southace

You have your excavators and backhoes confused

This is what a backhoe looks like

Regards Don

Yeah that's what I meant Donk good work.

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Donk107 said..
Hi southace

You have your excavators and backhoes confused

This is what a backhoe looks like

Regards Don

Yes nice deflection from the Bendy Boat story Donk

Incredible. Do you think thats a standard Beneteau? Very little structure there.

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Madmouse said..
Incredible. Do you think thats a standard Beneteau? Very little structure there.

Yes I agree, it looks very light on. Is that a ply core? What size is the boat?

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Madmouse said..
Incredible. Do you think thats a standard Beneteau? Very little structure there.

Yes I agree, it looks very light on. Is that a ply core? What size is the boat?

What size boat ?????


Its pretty small, maybe just "capsize"

After reading an article, and not being a boat builder I can't verify it , these modern yachts are built as close to the standard as possible , meaning only just , they have to make a profit.
Subsequently from the very first grounding they drop from the standard far quicker than the older over built boats.

High aspect ratio keels mounted on a narrow base at the hull is recipe for failure. The benefit is better performance, but you take your chances if you hit anything.
However, that structure does look particularly light.

I've been told on numerous occasions, that the ones built before the GFC (2008) were better because they were built to a recipe, not a price.
So as a few people here have already mentioned, profits before quality and at a risk of peoples lives.
So, is there any evidence that pre GFC mass produced yachts are constructed any better?

It's worth noting that poor maintenance, works undertaken by unskilled trades and no engineer signoff on major mods have been a root cause for keel failures too, it's not just the manufacturers.

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It's worth noting that poor maintenance, works undertaken by unskilled trades and no engineer signoff on major mods have been a root cause for keel failures too, it's not just the manufacturers.

Thats why l though maybe it wasnt a standard boat. Is the article available?

Looks like a First 31.7 maybe?

Looking at the photo just screams to me stress concentration where the keel joins the hull. If I was designing something like that I would either put a wide flare at the top of the keel, or carry the keel up into the hull and build a box around it which could be suitably braced to the hull.

Not all Benetaus will sink after a keel loss. It might have been one of the pre GFC Benetaus that I read about a few years ago that was being bare-boat chartered out of southern U.K.

It had been out on three charters before the operators discovered the keel had fallen off on the charter prior to those three.

I would never trust a cast iron keel if it was anything like the one in freerad's post.

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cisco said..
Not all Benetaus will sink after a keel loss. It might have been one of the pre GFC Benetaus that I read about a few years ago that was being bare-boat chartered out of southern U.K.

It had been out on three charters before the operators discovered the keel had fallen off on the charter prior to those three.

I would never trust a cast iron keel if it was anything like the one in freerad's post.

Hi Cisco

Was it this Jeanneau that you are thinking about www.yachtingmonthly.com/specials/sailing-100-miles-without-a-keel-30486

Regards Don

When questioned for the second time he admitted he had grounded lightly and was upset that any one would think he had tried to cover up anything
Ha ha can imagine the phone call the keel is missing !!!!!!

I assume they will go and find the keel and glue it back on. Probably with PVA, qualities not important to them.

Duct tape. Amazing stuff. Might need two rolls though...

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Donk107 said..
Was it this Jeanneau that you are thinking about www.yachtingmonthly.com/specials/sailing-100-miles-without-a-keel-30486

That would have to be it.

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cisco said..
Not all Benetaus will sink after a keel loss. It might have been one of the pre GFC Benetaus that I read about a few years ago that was being bare-boat chartered out of southern U.K.

It had been out on three charters before the operators discovered the keel had fallen off on the charter prior to those three.

I would never trust a cast iron keel if it was anything like the one in freerad's post.

Hi Cisco

Was it this Jeanneau that you are thinking about www.yachtingmonthly.com/specials/sailing-100-miles-without-a-keel-30486

Regards Don

Isn't this in fact BS?

I read somewhere (can't find it now) it was a made up story which kinda rings true, it's a 6 tonne boat with a 2 tonne keel (when attached) and 3 paid skippers didn't notice... Not very plausible. Sure it would have pretty good initial form stability but that wouldn't last long once some flappy things were raised.

Edit: in fact wouldn't it be near impossible to manoeuvre, how the hell would you get it out of the marina without noticing that it doesn't pivot near the centre like it should?

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Donk107 said..

cisco said..
Not all Benetaus will sink after a keel loss. It might have been one of the pre GFC Benetaus that I read about a few years ago that was being bare-boat chartered out of southern U.K.

It had been out on three charters before the operators discovered the keel had fallen off on the charter prior to those three.

I would never trust a cast iron keel if it was anything like the one in freerad's post.

Hi Cisco

Was it this Jeanneau that you are thinking about www.yachtingmonthly.com/specials/sailing-100-miles-without-a-keel-30486

Regards Don

Isn't this in fact BS?

I read somewhere (can't find it now) it was a made up story which kinda rings true, it's a 6 tonne boat with a 2 tonne keel (when attached) and 3 paid skippers didn't notice... Not very plausible. Sure it would have pretty good initial form stability but that wouldn't last long once some flappy things were raised.

Edit: in fact wouldn't it be near impossible to manoeuvre, how the hell would you get it out of the marina without noticing that it doesn't pivot near the centre like it should?

Yeah slightly fake news I think. As if!

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Donk107 said..

cisco said..
Not all Benetaus will sink after a keel loss. It might have been one of the pre GFC Benetaus that I read about a few years ago that was being bare-boat chartered out of southern U.K.

It had been out on three charters before the operators discovered the keel had fallen off on the charter prior to those three.

I would never trust a cast iron keel if it was anything like the one in freerad's post.

Hi Cisco

Was it this Jeanneau that you are thinking about www.yachtingmonthly.com/specials/sailing-100-miles-without-a-keel-30486

Regards Don

Isn't this in fact BS?

I read somewhere (can't find it now) it was a made up story which kinda rings true, it's a 6 tonne boat with a 2 tonne keel (when attached) and 3 paid skippers didn't notice... Not very plausible. Sure it would have pretty good initial form stability but that wouldn't last long once some flappy things were raised.

Edit: in fact wouldn't it be near impossible to manoeuvre, how the hell would you get it out of the marina without noticing that it doesn't pivot near the centre like it should?

Hi Sparau

Not sure if the story is true or not but the way i read it the first person lost it , the second person said that there was a problem with the steering and was told to get it checked out but didn't and the third person said that there was a problem and bought the boat back and were given a replacement boat

The boat was then lifted and the keel was found to be missing

The story says the last charter was with a paid skipper and mentioned the word skipper (although this might just refer to the person who chartered it if it was a bare boat) in the second charter but doesn't mention a paid skipper in the first one

Regards Don

Know someone who chartered a sailing cat in the Whitsundays and never raised the sails. People do strange things.

I think the story is plausible. It was published in Yachting Monthly and I am sure they did some fact checking.

A bit of a forum discussion here forums.ybw.com/index.php?threads/cornish-cruising-has-incredibly-safe-boats.247439/ on the Jeanneau with the missing keel

Regards Don

With out reading into that Donk most yachts with a keel will keel over once the keel is removed, thank god mine is encapsulated with a ton of fresh water adding to the ballast!

def fake news !!! NFWay !!

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Donk107 said..
A bit of a forum discussion here forums.ybw.com/index.php?threads/cornish-cruising-has-incredibly-safe-boats.247439/ on the Jeanneau with the missing keel

Regards Don

That Jenanneau 37 has a very low displacement to ballast ratio (ie a relatively light keel). Sailboat data has the last SO37 listed at 26% !

A large part of its stability will come from its beam, tankage and all cruising stuff down low. So it might be manageable is light conditions.

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