Hi all - quick anchor kit question. Looking for anchor for occasional lunch stop or overnighter in the folkboat (26ft, ~2000kg). Bought the below 12mm nylon with 6mm chain kit and it seems largest sand anchor that will fit in anchor locker is a 5 or 6kg sand anchor. Do you think I have sufficient hardware both in terms of chain and anchor size? Now I have the rode, it looks a little underweight.....
I'm yet to buy the anchor.

http://www.arnoldsboatshop.com.au/anchors-and-mooring-equipment-rope-and-chain-kit-galvanised-and-nylon-3-strand-nylon-rope-with-short-link-galvanized-chain%EF%BF%BC%EF%BF%BC-46062-m/dp/2150

Thks

The graph above shows you really need 9 or 10 kg sand anchor for your boat.
the rope is big enough the more chain the better.
why don't you look at a different type of anchor with better holding ability.

Hello Folkboat M26

I have an International Folkboat.

I carry a large plough on the bow. Not sure how much it weighs...maybe 10kg? 10metres of chain which just feeds through the hawse pipe.
I considered buying smaller chain, however, I like to think I've given myself a fighting chance when anchoring for the night.

The plough works fine in sand. I'm yet to try it in any other bottom. I used a Manson Supreme on a previous boat in a wide range of holding grounds to generally very good effect.

As lovely as our boats are, they are lacking in the anchor and chain locker department. If money were no obstacle, I would love to have a chain locker built in. Alas, it remains very far down the Wish List.

Trace

I would prefer 8mm chain as a minimum, 8 metres is ample and the largest anchor that fits in the well. If it,s a sand anchor then a Fortress will be enough in that size but I would be looking at a modern anchor that fits the well.

99.9% of your time will be sailing and the minimum weight you can get away with in the ends will help maintain the excellent sailing qualities of a folkboat.

I'd recommend having two anchors. The basic old style fishermans and a danforth or plough.

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Ramona said...
I would prefer 8mm chain as a minimum, 8 metres is ample and the largest anchor that fits in the well. If it,s a sand anchor then a Fortress will be enough in that size but I would be looking at a modern anchor that fits the well.

99.9% of your time will be sailing and the minimum weight you can get away with in the ends will help maintain the excellent sailing qualities of a folkboat.

If he is not racing or a world champion sailor the extra couple of kilograms would totally go unnoticed but the peace of mind at night with having a decent anchor and enough ground tackle won't.

Same size and same problem.

My recommendation is the best weight to holding power which I've found to be a Delta.

I carry a normal 6mm link and then 8mm that way get a weight reduction but a longer legth of chain and more holding power by having the 6mm closest to the anchor.

When I walked along a marina in Helsinki, Finland, I was surprised to note that most yachts had no bow roller or anchor well. It seems that the Scandinavians tie up to the shore from the bow, and anchor from the stern.
If you consult the IF forum, they say that an anchor and chain at the bow upsets the trim of the boat. They stow the anchor and chain in the cockpit locker.

I have a Top Hat and use this....

Anchor is a CQR [genuine ? I don't know if it is] of about 15kg [35lbs].
No swivel, just a shackle to the chain, 34m of 8mm plus 30m of 12mm braided rope, which I've never had to use.
I have only had the anchor let go on 2 occasions, [very early on] both when I had done a 360 with tide around the anchor, and I now suspect with not enough chain out.
I did not have any problems during my 7 month return trip to the Whitsundays in 2015.
I now let 30 metres of chain out, every time! If there is not enough room to swing I move.

In my stern locker I have a 10kg sand anchor with 3 metres of 10mm chain. I've another 30m of the 12mm braided rope [unattached] to deploy it.
I've only used this on a couple of occasions to line Seaka up in a large swell.

I also carry an angle weight of 5kg plus for those times it really blows. I've used it often.

Of course, we all do. ( not keep anchor on the bow, or heavy, long chain in the locker )!

The boat is an Adams 28, around 3800kg.

If you want piece of mind, go for the best you can afford ( that NZ anchor is far the best l have ever seen thou l do not have one ), and the heaviest you could carry.

My tackle is 5 feet very heawy, 15mm chain, 30 feet 8mm chain, 120 feet 8mm close link chain, 7kg Danforth, 27 pound CQR, 35 pound CQR, 30 metres 12mm rode, 100metres 14mm rode.
I know, it is heavy, very heavy, but...once, only once you might need it to save your (my) boat. All the anchors and heavy chains in the lazarette, 30 feet 8mm chain in the chain locker which is on my boat next to the sail lockers right down below the v-berth via a 5 inch diametre hawse pipe from the anchor locker which is kept empty. Never carry an anchor on the bow while sailing. It takes 5 minutes to set up, ready to launch.

Also, the rodes are stored on an old plastic spool from Whithworths which l kept when l bought new halyards.

So far, so good, it kept me out of trouble.

What do you use to join all that chain Sir G? I've thought about a shortt length of heavy chain but the old weakest link...


my new rocna. Both of these are 20kg, big difference in holding power and sleep quality!

That is the ducks guts! The NZ anchoer. Gee l want one...

I firmly believe, one should always use the max size one could fit and the best quality. No cost saving here.
When l must use chain only, and that is not that often since l left sunny Qld for Sydney, one should use a rode to dampen the jerks. As l got no chain gypsy or bollard only cleats, l must use rope anyway at the end to tie up.
I never drop an anchor without a trip line. I am attached to my anchors too much (forgive the pun).

I used to have one of those Manson 35lb plough's, It was bombproof on the Top Hat, but way too big & heavy(without an anchor winch), sold it for $100 & put the $ towards a Rocna 10.
It is a pure pleasure to launch & retrieve the anchor by hand now.
As mentioned above, you'll want peace of mind & a good nights sleep(after a good days sailing) when overnighting.
If you haven't got the anchor yet my suggestion is the Rocna 10 for your Folkboat, it will be the best $330 you spend on it.
You can skimp on the lunch anchor the smallest size (for your boat) sand anchor will do. Second-hand is fine. $10 should cover it!
I don't think the 6mm chain will snap , but you could put that on the lunch anchor, & get 10m or so, 8mm for the new Rocna/Manson Supreme/Delta etc.

Im always learning something every time I step onto the boat, the time before last was to "always" put the anchor on the bow roller when you go sailing, at the very, very minimum have it rigged & ready to deploy within seconds. Five minutes is too long.
Keep the lunch pick in the lazarette.
cheers

Thanks BlueMoon and all other posters,
Looks like the conclusion is - if I want an anchor of sufficient size for comfortable overnighting, it ain't going to fit in the anchor locker! Current anchor from previous owner is just under 60cm and maximum length of locker is 68cm (but is very shallow at the aft end). So I think plan of action is:
- keep the 12mm nylon / 6mm chain with existing 5/6kg sand anchor (maybe buy an 8kg if fits) for lunch pick in anchor locker.
- at some point in the future buy Rocna 10 or similar with 12mm/nylon / 8mm chain and keep in cockpit locker (and cross the bridge of how to deploy it at a later date).

Rgds

Is your boat the IF version or the Marieholm 26 version?

Marieholm - no lazarette

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FolkboatM26 said..
Marieholm - no lazarette

So you do have an anchor well at the bow? Some pics would be nice. The original Swedish version didnt have one, but maybe Dulmison added to satisfy the local market.

Yes, pics please???? My Dulmison IF doesn't have an anchor locker. She does have a lazarette.

Hi all - will take some pics on weekend. Will need to pause the thread!

Bluemoon saw my anchor today and said its only 27lbs in weight, I have to agree with him. I mount it on the bow.

I'm in NZ at the moment. Checking the anchors about the place and I'm surprised there are not more Rocna's. Rocna changed hands a few years ago and they are built in China now. There were a few batches with low grade steel in the shanks but not much chance of getting one of these now. Rocna have a new non roll bar model out now that looks very similar to an Ultra.

My anchor is a hand crafted SS version of an Ultra. Weighs 11 kilos and has 8 metres of 8mm chain then 14mm yacht braid. Holds a Currawong easily and I'm sure would hold the average 40 footer in any conditions.

I trust my delta and keep it on the bow
10 mts chain , 60 mts of nylon and 50 mts poly

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madmission said..
I trust my delta and keep it on the bow
10 mts chain , 60 mts of nylon and 50 mts poly

Just checking for Hay Band Madmission You know what I mean

whatever works HG
sometimes i even let it all out ...onto lee shore

only seen the delta fail once ...hooked a clam shell on the point
luckily lunchtime sitting out a squall off pt cook and felt the boat go
T -boned a clam

Great thread and advice....im seeking more advice

Im happy with my anchor but been thinking about more chain.

I currently run a metre and a bit...thinking to double that ?

The chain is just as important as the anchor..right?

How much rope do you guys see as a minimum.

Im always in shallow lagoons

I have a lot of sleepless nights

Hello ChopesBro

give yourself 10 metres of chain and you will sleep a little bit better.

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ChopesBro said..
Great thread and advice....im seeking more advice

Im happy with my anchor but been thinking about more chain.

I currently run a metre and a bit...thinking to double that ?

The chain is just as important as the anchor..right?

How much rope do you guys see as a minimum.

Im always in shallow lagoons

I have a lot of sleepless nights

One metre of chain for each metre loa. 8mm chain suits most smaller vessels.

Anchoring basics:

8 feet of rode for each 1 foot of water ( 5 feet of water = 5 × 8 = 40 feet of rode)

1/8" of rode diametre for each 9' of boat ( 29 feet yacht = 3/8+ rode minimum )

chain to rode ratio = 1 to 6

At least that what l was thought years ago.

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ChopesBro said..
Great thread and advice....im seeking more advice

Im happy with my anchor but been thinking about more chain.

I currently run a metre and a bit...thinking to double that ?

The chain is just as important as the anchor..right?

How much rope do you guys see as a minimum.

Im always in shallow lagoons

I have a lot of sleepless nights

If you are in and around coral, you certainly need chain rather than rope. A rubber snubber can give you shock absorbing function.

i have a pretty weighty plow anchor and it works extremely well 60m of 8mm gal chain and always work on the principle 4x water depth at high tide minimum i dont have a chain counter but have spray painted sections of the chain different colours at 8m increments

Yeah, rubber snubbers, hmmm.
Rather use a B40 or B50 round float to keep the chain off the rocks and 12 or 14 mm warp to do the shock absorbing. The catch is to use the best quality rode you could buy, do not compromise on cheap chinese crap.
If you check the braking strength of different manufacturers products you be suprised about the diffrence! Just on Whithworths list there are four or five different products with wildly different braking strength. One 12mm rode is able to lift ones boat the other has much less braking strength. I was told, the actual lode on the
rode shall not be more than 1/4 of the breaking strength of the rode.
Marked chain is a good idea.
An anchor alarm is a must.
I am apprehensive using a Danforth or any sand anchor in a blow.
Madmission's idea of a quick launch is interesting, l just could not live with the spider web on my bow.
Out there one seldom needs an anchor. I tried it and my boat would became a submarine with a heavy 35lb anchor and 250lb chain up front murdering the pointing ability of the boat as well. Approaching the shore one has enough time to bring out the big guns.
In the chain locker of mine, which is not on the bow but just above the front of the keel down below with a 5inch hawser pipe, I only keep the 28 feet long 8mm chain, not the 100+ feet long close link one and no anchor on the twin bow rollers as one could see on my avatar.