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Most direct feeling 4line kite on the market

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Created by Addikt > 9 months ago, 4 Jan 2012
Addikt
WA, 553 posts
4 Jan 2012 4:10PM
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Any comments and options please pimp away.

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
4 Jan 2012 7:27PM
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anything with no or limited pullies.

Ozone,switch kites,,, ect ect

More pullies=less direct. IMHO

Sanjay
147 posts
4 Jan 2012 5:00PM
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The Fuel or the Hadlow I would assume.

KSSALTONA
VIC, 207 posts
4 Jan 2012 8:46PM
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outside of the C kites, i would have to say the Fluid EGO and the most direct out of all the sizes is the 8 and 6m.

INTHELOOP
QLD, 1855 posts
4 Jan 2012 8:53PM
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Spleene QX- try it!

iRideWainman
VIC, 219 posts
4 Jan 2012 11:52PM
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The Hadlow, or if you want some depower the Hadlow iD is direct, with medium to heavy bar pressure.

Tony Armstrong
NSW, 341 posts
5 Jan 2012 12:13AM
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Had a session yesterday on a 6 sq. m Reo. Thought this was a fun machine. Was a 20/30 Kt. NE day. A bunch of North Illawarra guys organised a "downwinder" in the 7 mile area. Man, this thing smoked. I never get a chance to feel in total control in that amount of wind, so the acquisition of this kite for my "new to be school" was justified. Worthy of a demo if this is what your after....

koma
VIC, 760 posts
5 Jan 2012 11:37AM
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Hadlow Pro's in the smaller sizes (7 & 9m) were the most direct feeling 4-line kite i've flown.

It's probably worth mentioning what you mean by direct feeling as there are plenty of kites without pulleys that still have steering input lag and feel soft at the bar, and there are kites with pulleys that respond quickly and are sharp and communicative at the bar.

Do you want minimal / zero input lag?
+ Very quick to respond to input means fast loops and turns
- It'll slam itself into the water in the 1/2 a second whilst your passing

Do you want feedback / a communicative bar?
+ You'll know where the kite is and what it's doing without ever looking
- More bar pressure

warwickl
NSW, 2357 posts
5 Jan 2012 4:43PM
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Griffin Argo 2012 are good plus they use short lines which increases the direct feel.

Most brands 8m and smaller are good it really comes down to the larger sizes to test the difference.

Chris the Griffin kite designer I hear will in WA for the next couple of weeks, I think his mobile or email is on the Griffin web site contact him for a chat and demos.

chr15j
QLD, 31 posts
5 Jan 2012 4:31PM
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+1 on the Hadlow ID. You don't get much more direct than that, but if you go with any C kite you will get that direct responsive feel. Bridled kites as I've found do tend vary. As an example Liquid Force Envy has bridles all round and great direct feeling at the bar, but with an input lag.

Addikt
WA, 553 posts
5 Jan 2012 9:20PM
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koma said...

Hadlow Pro's in the smaller sizes (7 & 9m) were the most direct feeling 4-line kite i've flown.

It's probably worth mentioning what you mean by direct feeling as there are plenty of kites without pulleys that still have steering input lag and feel soft at the bar, and there are kites with pulleys that respond quickly and are sharp and communicative at the bar.

Do you want minimal / zero input lag?
+ Very quick to respond to input means fast loops and turns
- It'll slam itself into the water in the 1/2 a second whilst your passing

Do you want feedback / a communicative bar?
+ You'll know where the kite is and what it's doing without ever looking
- More bar pressure



Yeah thats what I was getting at, no pulleys would mean a more direct kite but some kite with pulleys have a good communicative bar and you can tell where the kite is, I fine these tend to have more bar pressure as this is what you use to gauge where the kite is.

The other thing was the hadow and fuels get a menation every time was just curious as to why you don't see as many on the water anymore I know the relauch is always an issue but that aside even if you are not doing super technical tricks would a direct responsive kite would be more progressive once you are boosting over 15 feet and 27 knots is your comfort zone?

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
5 Jan 2012 10:05PM
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ozone edge would be my vote,25 to 30knts, edge 9mtr doesnt feel more direct than that,oh maybe my old wipika 10

eppo
WA, 9762 posts
6 Jan 2012 12:11AM
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Well the most direct kite I have ever flown is the rebel. No pulleys, really short throw. So I have heard the fuse is a four line rebel so I'm surprised no one has mentioned these.

axis
VIC, 399 posts
6 Jan 2012 9:10AM
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Addikt said...

The other thing was the hadow and fuels get a menation every time was just curious as to why you don't see as many on the water anymore I know the relauch is always an issue but that aside even if you are not doing super technical tricks would a direct responsive kite would be more progressive once you are boosting over 15 feet and 27 knots is your comfort zone?


Plenty of Fuels where I ride (more cabs though!). Over the years only saw a few Hadlows.

I prefer a direct feeling kite and every time I have got onto a bridled kite I have been disappointed with the lack of "feel" and the lag. Have always ridden non bridled kites though (apart from my first 2 liner).

By the way - relaunch is not an issue on the 4 line Fuels from 2009 and on. Earlier ones relaunched better on 5 lines. And for the uninformed - 4 line C kites have heaps of depower these days.

NickT
WA, 1094 posts
6 Jan 2012 6:26AM
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Fuse is a four line Rebel in that it boosts massive, relaunches easy and is super quick.
Its lighter on the bar due to the pulleys, and has lag between bar movement to kite movement, but once in motion it's lightening fast.

Edge might be direct but it's so slow, only good for cruising and big hang time. Although i'm still keen to try a 7 edge in 40 kts

koma
VIC, 760 posts
6 Jan 2012 12:29PM
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axis said...
Plenty of Fuels where I ride (more cabs though!). Over the years only saw a few Hadlows.


A couple of Hadlows where i ride, one or two Fuels, a few Torches and a heap of Vegas's.
As Axis said, relaunch hasn't been an issue on any c-kite for a fair few years. No, they won't relaunch themselves but if you ride suicide most will sit on the edge of the window waiting for you to clear the water from your brain after most crashes.

6 Jan 2012 2:45PM
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NickT said...

Fuse is a four line Rebel in that it boosts massive, relaunches easy and is super quick.
Its lighter on the bar due to the pulleys, and has lag between bar movement to kite movement, but once in motion it's lightening fast.

Edge might be direct but it's so slow, only good for cruising and big hang time. Although i'm still keen to try a 7 edge in 40 kts


Maybe you have only seen or flown the 2010 Edge?
The 2011/12 Edge is not slow, its the kite that helped the Ozone team wipe the field in nearly all the world race series this year, and plenty of our local crew ride them and kiteloop them.
No pulleys and a very direct bar feel, although I prefer the very direct feel and overall performance of the 2012 (and 2011) Ozone C4's.

NickT
WA, 1094 posts
6 Jan 2012 11:55AM
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Slow turning, not slow as they have a lot of pull. Ive seen people loop Zephers aswell and they aint that fast.

Disclaimer: just changed over to C4's from fuses and absolutely love them. Kept my 7 fuse as no kite ive ridden goes bigger.
Didnt like the slow feel of the 2011 edge goes big and floats big its all the kite, not they way your flying it.

When im boosting i like that acceleration as you take off, the edge doesn't give me the same rip as my fuse.

6 Jan 2012 9:51PM
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The 2011 is the same as the 2012, only the bag is different. The 2011/2012 is the current model, they are a sweep turner, so they have a fair bit of power in the turn, but they are not slow turning or slow flying, as you say.
Personally I love the C4 too for the very direct and crisp feel, but they do need to be in the upper end of their wind range to boost as big as the Edges, but without as much float, unless you can loop them well and more than once.

Addikt
WA, 553 posts
6 Jan 2012 9:21PM
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NickT said...

Slow turning, not slow as they have a lot of pull. Ive seen people loop Zephers aswell and they aint that fast.

Disclaimer: just changed over to C4's from fuses and absolutely love them. Kept my 7 fuse as no kite ive ridden goes bigger.
Didnt like the slow feel of the 2011 edge goes big and floats big its all the kite, not they way your flying it.

When im boosting i like that acceleration as you take off, the edge doesn't give me the same rip as my fuse.


What made you decide on the C4 over the Fuse?

mywisdom
WA, 258 posts
6 Jan 2012 9:46PM
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yes the fuse on light bar setting is a very direct feeling bridle kite, the "lag" makes it feel weighty when in transition but once its moving it is almost hard to slow it down. The 7m is a beast unto its self.. i fly it on medium pressure in anything over 25knots in fear of entering our planets orbit.

NickT
WA, 1094 posts
6 Jan 2012 11:12PM
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I don't think the C4's go big either, that's why I kept my small fuse. The C4 is definitely a loop machine though, and so smooth. I went to C4's from fuses as fuses loop poorly and are not the best unhooked kite by a long way and that's where my riding is headed. Still think the edge turns slow though.

Chris_M
2132 posts
7 Jan 2012 5:36AM
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Peter Lynn C-Quad......... no wait they ain't on the market anymore

axis
VIC, 399 posts
7 Jan 2012 11:40AM
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Chris_M said...

Peter Lynn C-Quad......... no wait they ain't on the market anymore


remember watching Kane Hartill rip on C Quads.

7 Jan 2012 11:54PM
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NickT said...

I don't think the C4's go big either, that's why I kept my small fuse. The C4 is definitely a loop machine though, and so smooth. I went to C4's from fuses as fuses loop poorly and are not the best unhooked kite by a long way and that's where my riding is headed. Still think the edge turns slow though.


NickT, ride it as fast as possible and then carve har back upwind and pull the trigger (turn it up hard from low in the window, you will go large).

C4's need speed and wind they work best in the upper part of their wind range for hooked in boosting and kite looping.

eppo
WA, 9762 posts
8 Jan 2012 10:30PM
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NickT said...

Fuse is a four line Rebel in that it boosts massive, relaunches easy and is super quick.
Its lighter on the bar due to the pulleys, and has lag between bar movement to kite movement, but once in motion it's lightening fast.

Edge might be direct but it's so slow, only good for cruising and big hang time. Although i'm still keen to try a 7 edge in 40 kts



Oh the fuse has pulleys, sorry.

jas73
QLD, 796 posts
9 Jan 2012 7:59AM
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From the height i see the guys i kite with get on there C4's, i just dont think your doing it right cause i have seen some of them go huge.

NickT said...

I don't think the C4's go big either, that's why I kept my small fuse. The C4 is definitely a loop machine though, and so smooth. I went to C4's from fuses as fuses loop poorly and are not the best unhooked kite by a long way and that's where my riding is headed. Still think the edge turns slow though.


NickT
WA, 1094 posts
9 Jan 2012 6:25AM
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Don't worry bout me dude, i can jump just fine on the C4. Just saying they wont go as big as a Fuse!

djdojo
VIC, 1614 posts
9 Jan 2012 11:12AM
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On my C4s I've found that letting the trim right out or shortening the back lines by a knot increases their boosting (and bottom end) a lot. I like to cover more distance in the air and land fast (rather than up-down), so I send the kite from fairly low and then keep it flying forward after take-off such that it's never behind me. It takes better timing than lower aspect and gruntier kites but when I nail it the kite keeps pulling efficiently through the whole of the jump. My 2c

Lambroast
WA, 177 posts
10 Jan 2012 1:58PM
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Didn't DM win the Big air contest at Kitestock on an Ozone C4 ? After knocking himself unconscious as well ?

'roast

NickT
WA, 1094 posts
10 Jan 2012 2:15PM
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Think it might have been a Core Gt, but could be wrong aswell.



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