outside of the C kites, i would have to say the Fluid EGO and the most direct out of all the sizes is the 8 and 6m.
Had a session yesterday on a 6 sq. m Reo. Thought this was a fun machine. Was a 20/30 Kt. NE day. A bunch of North Illawarra guys organised a "downwinder" in the 7 mile area. Man, this thing smoked. I never get a chance to feel in total control in that amount of wind, so the acquisition of this kite for my "new to be school" was justified. Worthy of a demo if this is what your after....
Hadlow Pro's in the smaller sizes (7 & 9m) were the most direct feeling 4-line kite i've flown.
It's probably worth mentioning what you mean by direct feeling as there are plenty of kites without pulleys that still have steering input lag and feel soft at the bar, and there are kites with pulleys that respond quickly and are sharp and communicative at the bar.
Do you want minimal / zero input lag?
+ Very quick to respond to input means fast loops and turns
- It'll slam itself into the water in the 1/2 a second whilst your passing
Do you want feedback / a communicative bar?
+ You'll know where the kite is and what it's doing without ever looking
- More bar pressure
Griffin Argo 2012 are good plus they use short lines which increases the direct feel.
Most brands 8m and smaller are good it really comes down to the larger sizes to test the difference.
Chris the Griffin kite designer I hear will in WA for the next couple of weeks, I think his mobile or email is on the Griffin web site contact him for a chat and demos.
+1 on the Hadlow ID. You don't get much more direct than that, but if you go with any C kite you will get that direct responsive feel. Bridled kites as I've found do tend vary. As an example Liquid Force Envy has bridles all round and great direct feeling at the bar, but with an input lag.
ozone edge would be my vote,25 to 30knts, edge 9mtr doesnt feel more direct than that,oh maybe my old wipika 10
Well the most direct kite I have ever flown is the rebel. No pulleys, really short throw. So I have heard the fuse is a four line rebel so I'm surprised no one has mentioned these.
Fuse is a four line Rebel in that it boosts massive, relaunches easy and is super quick.
Its lighter on the bar due to the pulleys, and has lag between bar movement to kite movement, but once in motion it's lightening fast.
Edge might be direct but it's so slow, only good for cruising and big hang time. Although i'm still keen to try a 7 edge in 40 kts ![]()
Slow turning, not slow as they have a lot of pull. Ive seen people loop Zephers aswell and they aint that fast.
Disclaimer: just changed over to C4's from fuses and absolutely love them. Kept my 7 fuse as no kite ive ridden goes bigger.
Didnt like the slow feel of the 2011 edge goes big and floats big its all the kite, not they way your flying it.
When im boosting i like that acceleration as you take off, the edge doesn't give me the same rip as my fuse.
The 2011 is the same as the 2012, only the bag is different. The 2011/2012 is the current model, they are a sweep turner, so they have a fair bit of power in the turn, but they are not slow turning or slow flying, as you say.
Personally I love the C4 too for the very direct and crisp feel, but they do need to be in the upper end of their wind range to boost as big as the Edges, but without as much float, unless you can loop them well and more than once.
yes the fuse on light bar setting is a very direct feeling bridle kite, the "lag" makes it feel weighty when in transition but once its moving it is almost hard to slow it down. The 7m is a beast unto its self.. i fly it on medium pressure in anything over 25knots in fear of entering our planets orbit.
I don't think the C4's go big either, that's why I kept my small fuse. The C4 is definitely a loop machine though, and so smooth. I went to C4's from fuses as fuses loop poorly and are not the best unhooked kite by a long way and that's where my riding is headed. Still think the edge turns slow though.
From the height i see the guys i kite with get on there C4's, i just dont think your doing it right cause i have seen some of them go huge.![]()
Don't worry bout me dude, i can jump just fine on the C4. Just saying they wont go as big as a Fuse!
On my C4s I've found that letting the trim right out or shortening the back lines by a knot increases their boosting (and bottom end) a lot. I like to cover more distance in the air and land fast (rather than up-down), so I send the kite from fairly low and then keep it flying forward after take-off such that it's never behind me. It takes better timing than lower aspect and gruntier kites but when I nail it the kite keeps pulling efficiently through the whole of the jump. My 2c
Didn't DM win the Big air contest at Kitestock on an Ozone C4 ? After knocking himself unconscious as well ?
'roast