You have to remember that wind range is a marketing tool and that ''your own experience may differ''
While it's true the Zephyr has a better top end than any other light wind kites I've owned or tried you have to ask yourself why would you want to use a 17m kite in 16 to 20 knots when a smaller, more fun sized kite (like a 10 or 12m) would do the job a lot better ? Heck, I've seen guys out on Zephyrs in winds close to 25 knots, but again, what's the point?
A kite's ability to fly in a wide wind range is due to it's design and years of fine tuning. However, nowadays, almost all modern delta kites have a massive wind range.
Back to the Zephyr, as far as a claimed bottom end of 6 knots for an 80 kg rider...well good luck with that on a twin tip, even a massive twin tip. I regularly used many different 16 and 17m kites for 7 years on twin tips, and even though I gained a ton of experience and skills, I've never been able to enjoy sub 12 knots on a standard TT. The bottom line is that below 12 knots at this weight, you need some light wind specific boards (Large TT, Directional light wind board or Hydrofoil) along with some serious light wind skills.
For a 80kg+ rider with a medium sized TT on 17m Kite you'd want to have at least 12 knots in open ocean to ride upwind comfortably i.e. start having fun. You *might* get away with kiting in less than 12 knots if you have a very large TT or a super flat water spot with no current and A LOT of light wind specific skills.
If like the average kiter you weight somewhere around 80kg and own only 1 board which is a medium sized twin tip then your true FUN wind range on any 17m kite is 12 to 16 knots-ish. Any more than 16 knots might be more enjoyable and comfortable on a zephyr than other 17m kites, but in those winds you should seriously consider getting a 10 or 12m out.
Christian
Here's rob whitall ozones kite designer,
great kite to have in your quiver, personally I didn't ride it until 12/13 knots a little over that and it was great fun around 15/18 perfect, I did ride it in the low 20s but it got pretty heavy going and reqd plenty of leg work, but still felt very safe, if you like powered riding it replaces your 12/14/15 mtr kites nicely
Thanks for the replies.
What about the design makes the zephyr a "sub10-20kts" kite?
my LF solo 17.5 would rip me to pieces in 20kts. Anything over 16kts is hard to hold down I recon.
I've seen guys on zephyrs when I was overpowered on my 12
Im going to have a guess at it, happy for someone to tell us the design proven reason.
i think its to do with the reason its not quite as good in low end, being 5 struts so a bit heavier and holds flatter shape.
Holding its shape better allows its depower to work more effiecently and drive and hold further up in the wind window.
But only a guess so happy to be corrected and more learned!
Why would you ride Zephyr in 18-20 kn?
Because you pumped it at 14kn and it is still comfortable at 20 kn for 100kg person. Swapping kites is not fun - takes time, prefer to be a bit over-powered for a while rather than pump another kite.
Good to have the top end when it's mostly 10-15kn but occasionally some 20kn gusts come through like it often is the case in easterlies on the river (in Perth).
However some people go out in constant 18-20kn sea breezes on their Zephyr when I'm out on my 9m. In those winds I have more fun and even jump better on a smaller kite than if I was on my Zephyr.
I just repaired a client's Zephyr last week, and tested it out over the weekend in 10-12 knots.
It was no different than an old 2008 14m Cabrinha Switchblade I used to have: slow, slow, slow - and it dropped out of the sky as soon as I stopped figure-8ing it. I weigh 83kg.
Went out yesterday in 12-14knots on my Naish Cult 13.5m and I was well powered on a 136cm TT, going upwind easy no problems, even some decent 2-4m jumps!
Zephyr (and it has been said many times here and on other forums), is just "another light wind kite", that requires Moderate winds to be any good fun.
You still need strong LW skills to kite surf - no matter the kite, because the only way I can enjoy this sport and make it worth my time is either [1] winds above 15knots or [2] winds above 12knots and with a foil kite.
not sure why people keep pointing out that strong LW skills are required in LW. kind of obvious.
I love marginal conditions it's a real test. I also love being lit. that's not why I started this, I simply wanted to know why a zephyr can handle stronger winds better than other LW specific kites.
the extra struts explain why it's more stable I recon. but why can it take 20kt or even 25 if you've got a gut?
Hello Kiteflo...
The issue is IMO to do with drag.
From what I recall Rob Whitall was involved in Hang-glider then Paraglider design.
As these evolved the ratio of parasitic and induced drag changed. Knowledge materials, and the increasing speed range meant working on reducing the parasitic drag gave best results. A given design has a parasitic drag profile which when air flows over it at a given speed is always there. The induced drag is more variable created by change and movement. Rob knows how to create low parasitic drag profiles. So low parasitic drag profile gives you the ability to keep a kite useable in stronger winds. The power available to you can be a real kicker once you start working a big kite in these conditions.
I know that I had much more control with 82-85 pies in strong winds than my current 70-73 pies even with smaller kites one of the few benefits!!
Cheers
AP