I tried this today with no problems, anyone else doing this or have a better idea ?

I do a similar one where I attach them right to left.
Every so often I dont set then up properly but handy and saves a bit of time. Every few sessions I'll walk them out properly to check for cuts ect.

Maybe just me but that seem much more complicated than just running your lines??

Jeeziz !!! You could just make up one of these . The 50? coin is just for scale. This one came with my old Wipika Matrix. Stick the line ends in the appropriate slot and wrap the elastic / velcro band around your bar . Much better and simple . J

Good news,
there is a knew app being developed as we speak that will run your lines out for you, saving you 2mins of valuable time and wasted energy walking all that looonng 25 meters.....
The app can be installed on your "go joe" and will communicate with your electric kite pump by WI-fi.

I attach the front to the back pairs on each side after winding them up. It's really easy to do and greatly reduces the problem of the last foot or so of lines twisting together. Apart from that I just run the lines out as normal. I prefer to run out the lines because I can check everything every time I kite.

I tried the Brett Lickle method for a while. It felt too complicated to get it right every time you pack the lines. You get it just a little bit wrong once and it's more pain than it's worth.

I also tried various line keepers with slots. Yet another useless piece of stuff to lose and mess around with. I could quote two philisophical points: Keep it simple, and do things deliberately and mindfully. (sorry about that one ).If you embrace setting your gear up perfectly each time it will always be right, and you'll be more efficient at doing it.

its too easy to stuff up, andonly find out at the other end and then you have to run them out again and re-attach

much better to wind lines in while connected, join centre and steering lines on each side for easy tangle free run out next time

whatever happened to Cabrinha's "line manager" that disappeared quietly...

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James said..
Jeeziz !!! You could just make up one of these . The 50? coin is just for scale. This one came with my old Wipika Matrix. Stick the line ends in the appropriate slot and wrap the elastic / velcro band around your bar . Much better and simple . J

Was the go , 4 liners are a piece of piss compared to 5
running downwind is easier than upwind also, line quality I find makes certain lines easier to run out
wipika matrix was a sick kite

Thanks for posting this! I would definitely not try this on a beach self-launch where I need to know which side of my bar to pull on as soon as I pull kite into the wind. Because once you have attached the lines to the kite and rolling the lines out from the bar then the bar is going to twist the lines at least a little bit. So if I am self-launching and i pull the wrong steering line (upper) too fast then it can loop and pull me with it which is what happened when I did my first ever self-launch.

One way to avoid this though would be to put something heavy on your kite while it is on the ground and pull the bar when the kite is directly in front of you at 12 so the lines are taught and then rotate the bar to make sure the lines aren't twisted, then once you know which rear lines are which you can walk to the side and pull the kite in to the window.

I've posted this many times, even claimed it as my own idea, but its not!
Connect your front lines first and rig downwind or cross wind, put the bar down with red on the right, pick up rear lines and walk them back to kite, keeping front lines between legs. Connect rear lines, go kiting. You cannot make a mistake this way and if you reg straight downwind you can see the lines are connected clearly.
I always rig this way cross wind, have never made a crossed line mistake rigging since I did.

while yall where debating line wrap I was kiting! yeew.

I'm going to keep using this method & see if I can get quicker at setting up than my mates.
Reckon the first time I stuff it up, I'll go back to walking them out again. As it does take more concentration & I'm easily distracted.

Same concept here by Greg at BRM. Works well.

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Ozone Kites Aus said..
I've posted this many times, even claimed it as my own idea, but its not!
Connect your front lines first and rig downwind or cross wind, put the bar down with red on the right, pick up rear lines and walk them back to kite, keeping front lines between legs. Connect rear lines, go kiting. You cannot make a mistake this way and if you reg straight downwind you can see the lines are connected clearly.
I always rig this way cross wind, have never made a crossed line mistake rigging since I did.

Damn that's a good idea.

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Ozone Kites Aus said..
I've posted this many times, even claimed it as my own idea, but its not!
Connect your front lines first and rig downwind or cross wind, put the bar down with red on the right, pick up rear lines and walk them back to kite, keeping front lines between legs. Connect rear lines, go kiting. You cannot make a mistake this way and if you reg straight downwind you can see the lines are connected clearly.
I always rig this way cross wind, have never made a crossed line mistake rigging since I did.

Wouldn't all tat walking back to the kite kind of defeat the purpose? What about bar twists before launch?

I like Ozones idea - idiot proof,
twists in the front lines don't matter (as long as you have a swivel). Then you just run the back lines out, as normal.

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eppo said..

Ozone Kites Aus said..
I've posted this many times, even claimed it as my own idea, but its not!
Connect your front lines first and rig downwind or cross wind, put the bar down with red on the right, pick up rear lines and walk them back to kite, keeping front lines between legs. Connect rear lines, go kiting. You cannot make a mistake this way and if you reg straight downwind you can see the lines are connected clearly.
I always rig this way cross wind, have never made a crossed line mistake rigging since I did.

Damn that's a good idea.

That's also the fool proof way of rigging C-kites

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Peahi said..

whatever happened to Cabrinha's "line manager" that disappeared quietly...

LOL. Good point. I guess it's like the car wrecking industry. Can't make cars too safe and easy, otherwise thousands will be without a job.

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colin71 said..
Same concept here by Greg at BRM. Works well.

I love watching Greg's vids & had one of his bars, I could never pack up & get it looking anything like his - always a tangled mess.
IMO, Greg comes across as one of the coolest dudes in kite boarding today.

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Ozone Kites Aus said..
I've posted this many times, even claimed it as my own idea, but its not!
Connect your front lines first and rig downwind or cross wind, put the bar down with red on the right, pick up rear lines and walk them back to kite, keeping front lines between legs. Connect rear lines, go kiting. You cannot make a mistake this way and if you reg straight downwind you can see the lines are connected clearly.
I always rig this way cross wind, have never made a crossed line mistake rigging since I did.

Just keep in mind that if it doesn't matter which side flagging line is on for landing purposes this would work fine . If flagging line has to be on a certain side for self landing then all lines would have to be run out either downwind or upwind so that you can connect flagging line to appropriate side

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toppleover said..
I like Ozones idea - idiot proof,
twists in the front lines don't matter (as long as you have a swivel). Then you just run the back lines out, as normal.

Then how will you know which line to pull when you launch? Isn't launching with twisted lines a bit sketchy? Like if they twist too far up or more on one side?

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drewpweiner said..

toppleover said..
I like Ozones idea - idiot proof,
twists in the front lines don't matter (as long as you have a swivel). Then you just run the back lines out, as normal.

Then how will you know which line to pull when you launch? Isn't launching with twisted lines a bit sketchy? Like if they twist too far up or more on one side?

I haven't tried rigging this way yet but the way I see it...

Rear lines are completely twist free as you have walked them out and bar is in correct position - so you can launch your kite as usual, only diff with this method is you connect your fronts first.
If rigging dwind, you can still visually check all your lines before launching. But if there is a couple of twists in the fronts you can manually untwist if you have a decent swivel after launching - if your happy to do so.

I think I have found the answer to tangled lines, a winder on the bar!!

I can't see connecting the front lines first saving much time and considering launching the kite is the most likely time you may need your quick release, if you have single front line safety it may not work if you have too many twists.
If it was me I would probably forget to connect the back lines anyway.

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Ozone Kites Aus said..
I've posted this many times, even claimed it as my own idea, but its not!
Connect your front lines first and rig downwind or cross wind, put the bar down with red on the right, pick up rear lines and walk them back to kite, keeping front lines between legs. Connect rear lines, go kiting. You cannot make a mistake this way and if you reg straight downwind you can see the lines are connected clearly.
I always rig this way cross wind, have never made a crossed line mistake rigging since I did.

Wouldn't all tat walking back to the kite kind of defeat the purpose? What about bar twists before launch?

You only walk back to your kite once, and you cannot make a mistake, if you follow my simple steps.

Front line flagging systems work with multiple twists in the lines. BUT I've never needed to activate my QR when I self launch.

AND I also ensure that the flagging line will be on the top when I come in to finish a session, so I then use my QR to land the kite, safely, in any wind.

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Ozone Kites Aus said..
I've posted this many times, even claimed it as my own idea, but its not!
Connect your front lines first and rig downwind or cross wind, put the bar down with red on the right, pick up rear lines and walk them back to kite, keeping front lines between legs. Connect rear lines, go kiting. You cannot make a mistake this way and if you reg straight downwind you can see the lines are connected clearly.
I always rig this way cross wind, have never made a crossed line mistake rigging since I did.

Just keep in mind that if it doesn't matter which side flagging line is on for landing purposes this would work fine . If flagging line has to be on a certain side for self landing then all lines would have to be run out either downwind or upwind so that you can connect flagging line to appropriate side

Nope, thats not correct Gerry. Ozone lines are numbered, so in a NE I connect no 3 line to no 2 bridle, and in southerlys I do them 1234 to 1234. If (when) the little number tabs wear off on Ozone lines, just get a black marker pen and make your flagging line obvious, then rotate connection points as the wind and beaches dictate.
Bridles on all Ozone kites are numbered from 1 on the red left to 4 on the blue right steering line.

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eppo said..

Ozone Kites Aus said..
I've posted this many times, even claimed it as my own idea, but its not!
Connect your front lines first and rig downwind or cross wind, put the bar down with red on the right, pick up rear lines and walk them back to kite, keeping front lines between legs. Connect rear lines, go kiting. You cannot make a mistake this way and if you reg straight downwind you can see the lines are connected clearly.
I always rig this way cross wind, have never made a crossed line mistake rigging since I did.

Damn that's a good idea.

That's also the fool proof way of rigging C-kites

The idea was born back in the C kite days.

Tried it today with my sons 8m cat today. Works a treat, makes sense. Why the hell I haven't thought of it before. Nice. Ta.

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eppo said..
Tried it today with my sons 8m cat today. Works a treat, makes sense. Why the hell I haven't thought of it before. Nice. Ta.

Hmmmmm, I was home having a beer before he got to the bar.

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1. Connect your front lines first and rig (unwind lines) downwind or cross wind
2. put the bar down with red on the right (always!)
3. pick up rear lines and walk them back to kite, keeping front lines between legs
4. Connect rear lines, go kiting.

You cannot make a mistake this way and if you reg straight downwind you can see the lines are connected clearly.

I always rig this way cross wind, have never made a crossed line mistake rigging since I did.

Thanks Ozone. I just wanted to re-iterate your post again albeit some added bits, and I've numbered it so it's easier to read (for me).

This is the best way really. And fast too! Trying to separate 4 or 5 lines at once walking back to the kite is a pain due to the number of possible twists.

However, I still wind my lines 0-way not figure-8. The lines are less twisted (each line twisted separately) this way.

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NorthernKitesAUS said..

Ozone Kites Aus said..

1. Connect your front lines first and rig (unwind lines) downwind or cross wind
2. put the bar down with red on the right (always!)
3. pick up rear lines and walk them back to kite, keeping front lines between legs
4. Connect rear lines, go kiting.

You cannot make a mistake this way and if you reg straight downwind you can see the lines are connected clearly.

I always rig this way cross wind, have never made a crossed line mistake rigging since I did.

Thanks Ozone. I just wanted to re-iterate your post again albeit some added bits, and I've numbered it so it's easier to read (for me).

This is the best way really. And fast too! Trying to separate 4 or 5 lines at once walking back to the kite is a pain due to the number of possible twists.

However, I still wind my lines 0-way not figure-8. The lines are less twisted (each line twisted separately) this way.

I'm not clear on what your question is, or what bits you've added? Anyway I'm glad some people see the value in this method and its helpful to get on the water quicker and safer.
Remember to always look at your front bridles and make sure they are clear and not fouled on themselves.