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Speed kitefoil dream

Created by cym cym  > 9 months ago, 9 Sep 2015
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cym
cym

cym

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9 Sep 2015 12:28am
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noodelsrominov
noodelsrominov

VIC

265 posts

9 Sep 2015 8:58am
So will the next set of speed records be on foils? Or are there rules that prevent it?
djdojo
djdojo

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9 Sep 2015 10:55am
The rules that prevent it are more likely to be laws of physics than human-made rules. Reynolds numbers become massively more critical for laminar flow over a foil at higher speeds. This is the limit that windsurfers have been chipping away at with fin design for the past 25 years. While foils, and windsurfing fins, are way more efficient than a twintip in terms of lift/drag ratios at lower speeds, the potential for cavitation, aeration, turbulence etc is much higher at high speeds. The assymetrical (but basically twintip) kite speed boards already have an aerated low-pressure-side to the lift-creating body (the top of the board, angled), so there are no issues with flow deterioration as speed increases - the "flow" is already messy, you just need more lift to overcome the drag, hence Luderitz in 50 knot winds.

This is not to say that foil design can't get there (Hydroptere makes it work even with the ridiculously inefficient foil angles necessary for it to be self-stabilising), just that the difference between 35 knots and 55 is vast.

The other factor is the depth of available courses with enough wind. The ditch at Luderitz is just deep enough short windsurfing fins.
MaxVMGRacing
MaxVMGRacing

WA

120 posts

9 Sep 2015 9:31am
Speed events still pretty new for kite foiling and not much mass R&d yet into pushing the top end yet, but the likes of Nico Parlier already doing 44knots in training & during events such Defi Kite
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave

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9 Sep 2015 11:32am
^^ by jingos an intelligent, well articulated explanation from someone who clearly knows what they're talking about. A rarity around here.



djdojo
djdojo

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1614 posts

9 Sep 2015 1:10pm
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MaxVMGRacing said..
Speed events still pretty new for kite foiling and not much mass R&d yet into pushing the top end yet, but the likes of Nico Parlier already doing 44knots in training & during events such Defi Kite


Any more info/links to the 44 knot session? I knew they were already cracking 30, but 44 is huge. Are they using smaller foils for this stuff?
MaxVMGRacing
MaxVMGRacing

WA

120 posts

9 Sep 2015 11:43am
Most of the local aus foilers are hitting 30-32 on their course racing foils weekly,
30 seems to be failry easy for most riders in most conditions by most of the foils. Even in light conditions, sub 15knots on a foil and foil kite you can crack 30.
35knots is is alot more rare, and gusty conditions has a big impact on foil control & top speed

30.7knots in 13knots wind: 19m Ozone R1, Spotz 2 freeride Foil www.movescount.com/moves/move67779221

Some details from Defi Kite from Nico top speed at the race 39.6 ozonekites.com/news/article/nico-parlier-wins-2015-defi-kite
Will see if i can track down the details for his 40+ runs from awhile back.

The Speed wings seems to be about the half the size, not much bigger than the rear wings

MaxVMGRacing
MaxVMGRacing

WA

120 posts

9 Sep 2015 11:59am
Trying to track down the gps track that aslo had pic of the wing he used for that run. Ive miss quoted, it was just under 43 knots not 44 but still damn impressive! and would be hell scary travelking that fast on a foil!!www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2015/05/19/kite-racing-increasing-the-altitude/
MaxVMGRacing
MaxVMGRacing

WA

120 posts

12 Sep 2015 4:53pm
First time out on the speed wing in super gusty conditions.... bit like learning to foil all over again.
Could have gone faster by there is definetly a mental hurdle around 30knots that has you second guessing yourself.
Conditions Gusty frontal 17-28knots
Spotz 2 Speedwing + 8m Ozone R1

Max 32.2knots
Highest 30sec Avg: 30.4knots

www.movescount.com/moves/move76257609
terminal
terminal

1421 posts

14 Sep 2015 3:50pm
Marc Blanc strapless. With strapless (at least with a pushing foil), in theory, you should be able to go as fast as someone strapped, and you can leave the foil behind when getting yarded.



This guy uses custom sky hooks to do strapless windsurf back loops, so sky hooks for speed kiting should work quite well.

terminal
terminal

1421 posts

14 Sep 2015 3:53pm
Then there is the quick way of foiling - a pulling foil.

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