I'm looking to replace my flysurfer infinite bars with others that don't have the self unwinding system, a cleat depower system is a must and all the line need to be the same length, I realise that most bars already have the lines the same length

any tips help greatly appreciated

What's the problem with it? Ohh, the unwinding is chewing up the safety line? It's just flying line, you can splice in a new section or just replace the whole lot real easy...

Switch bar would be a place to start.

Problem is, almost nothing for LEIs is going to be wider than 55cm. Cabrinha 1X Trimlite bars go up to 60cm but I don't know how much Cabrinha would bother you...?

Also would be pretty easy to replace the straps with a cleat, either a "racing" one (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Clamcleat-Aero-Cleat-CL826-72-base-Black-Nylon-Junior-cleat/121889084839?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649) or a blocky one like Switch (switchkites.com/regulator.html)

Benefit of the Switch one is you can adjust for depower throw; and the cleat, the sliding stopper and the C4 trim bracket costs less than US$30.

PS how much do you want for your Infinity bars?

PPS my 2017 Cab bar has no unspinning and needs to be manually unwound. It bugs the hell out of me and I always wish I'd bothered putting up a Flysurfer instead

I use Ozone bars for my FlySurfers, that works well, with the added benefit longer lasting lines. You'll possibly need https://www.fixmykite.com.au/kook-proof-pigtail-set.html depending on the bar. Just be aware that the lines might catch on the additional knots, especially when you use them for trim. Usually getting some slack in the lines or shaking the kite works.

Does the self unwinding system work or is it a case that it works sometimes only. If that's the case does that mean the bar unwinding system binds on main lines when it doesn't unwind correctly? From looking at it it looks super easy to replace main line. 5mm dyneema costs about $5 a meter from a boating supply place or even your local kite shop and one meter or just over should be enough for the job.
In this case no splicing is required at all. Simply double the dyneema in half and tie an overhand knot at the appropriate spot at the depower cleat end......use the old mainline as a guide. Of course you'll need to thread it through the bar and the chicken loop assembly top rotor before tying off.
Once you've calibrated the lines just trim the excess line on the cleat side of the knot. If you leave a little extra you can move the knot to calibrate the lines later if required. The excess will get hidden under the neoprene sock.
If you learn how to do you can have a new main line in half an hour for $5.00 as often and anytime you want one.

Infinity 2 and 3 work well, 1 worked fine if you added a thrust bearing.

But they can be rough on the safety line - that broken line on the left.

Some violin bow wax is supposed to be helpful in alleviating that issue...

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Kamikuza said..
What's the problem with it? Ohh, the unwinding is chewing up the safety line? It's just flying line, you can splice in a new section or just replace the whole lot real easy...

Switch bar would be a place to start.

Problem is, almost nothing for LEIs is going to be wider than 55cm. Cabrinha 1X Trimlite bars go up to 60cm but I don't know how much Cabrinha would bother you...?

Also would be pretty easy to replace the straps with a cleat, either a "racing" one (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Clamcleat-Aero-Cleat-CL826-72-base-Black-Nylon-Junior-cleat/121889084839?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649) or a blocky one like Switch (switchkites.com/regulator.html)

Benefit of the Switch one is you can adjust for depower throw; and the cleat, the sliding stopper and the C4 trim bracket costs less than US$30.

This bar is on inner width settings, so not on 55cm.

Not that simple to replace the whole lot for clam cleat. I've done it and needed a new set of lines. Thanks to FS mini 5th line and unusual line lengths.

It might be possible to cut off the middle alu part, grind and polish nicely. That would make it as other bars on the market.

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Kamikuza said..
What's the problem with it? Ohh, the unwinding is chewing up the safety line? It's just flying line, you can splice in a new section or just replace the whole lot real easy...

Switch bar would be a place to start.

Problem is, almost nothing for LEIs is going to be wider than 55cm. Cabrinha 1X Trimlite bars go up to 60cm but I don't know how much Cabrinha would bother you...?

Also would be pretty easy to replace the straps with a cleat, either a "racing" one (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Clamcleat-Aero-Cleat-CL826-72-base-Black-Nylon-Junior-cleat/121889084839?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649) or a blocky one like Switch (switchkites.com/regulator.html)

Benefit of the Switch one is you can adjust for depower throw; and the cleat, the sliding stopper and the C4 trim bracket costs less than US$30.

This bar is on inner width settings, so not on 55cm.

Not that simple to replace the whole lot for clam cleat. I've done it and needed a new set of lines. Thanks to FS mini 5th line and unusual line lengths.

It might be possible to cut off the middle alu part, grind and polish nicely. That would make it as other bars on the market.

50cm then. I struggle to understand why anyone would want such slow turning kites to be even slower :D

Oh yeah the mini-5th. You could ditch the Switch trim bracket and use a Mutiny swivel, then you don't need to mod anything above the bar . . . dunno why you needed to change lines though -- they're all the same length. Or has FS stopped splicing a loop for the mini-5th into the front line?

No reason you couldn't just go to single front safety and ditch the mini-5th if you wanted the trim bracket. You could add a stopper on the line, but some pig tails on the end of the lines would be good enough to stop the bar flying into the kite. Or just make a longer safety line, all the way up to the pig tails with a stopper knot where the old one was.

Try some wax on the safety and depower lines? Easiest solution.

And there's always: flysurfer.com/project/infinity-3-0-airstyle-cc-bar/

So that's the Aero Cleat and an Antal ring...and some splicing.But you're still stuck with the unspinning bits :D