Tried to do a IKO Instructor Kitesurf course with Felix Fleischer but I couldn't do it because I Missed one day o theories where they teach what is up and down wind
So I can't be a IKO instructor but there is people in that group that can not even do a back roll and have not enough skills to become a instructor that is why so many accidents
Ride toe side and do a jump is not enough skills to be a instructor IKO what a. Joke

Where were you doing the course?

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Zebra80 said..
Tried to do a IKO Instructor Kitesurf course with Felix Fleischer but I couldn't do it because I Missed one day o theories where they teach what is up and down wind
So I can't be a IKO instructor but there is people in that group that can not even do a back roll and have not enough skills to become a instructor that is why so many accidents
Ride toe side and do a jump is not enough skills to be a instructor IKO what a. Joke

I would think not knowing what is up and down wind to a beginner is where accidents are bound to happen, which is the part your coming across as not that important to attend. Doing a back roll as a skill I appreciate is pretty good, But is a matter of personal choice as to how far you want to progress further down the track, generally done with out a paid instructor at your side.

So if you want to be a coach to up and coming pro kiters I would agree you need to know how to do a back roll, but why do you need to know that to train someone about the power zone?

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Zebra80 said..
Tried to do a IKO Instructor Kitesurf course with Felix Fleischer but I couldn't do it because I Missed one day o theories where they teach what is up and down wind
So I can't be a IKO instructor but there is people in that group that can not even do a back roll and have not enough skills to become a instructor that is why so many accidents
Ride toe side and do a jump is not enough skills to be a instructor IKO what a. Joke

You didn't complete the course. Full Stop. Do the course and stop whinging about it.

And .... I can't remember the last time a back roll saved me from a serious accident.

Leo, it's important to show up every day for a course because regardless of what you know, there is always something to learn. Always. Legally someone can't pass you on a course unless you are in attendance every day. If something happens down the track it can get complicated. You are a great instructor and have loads of really good information and experience but there are rules that need to be adhered and committed to. There is no denying your skills, far and above the average rider, and up there with the best of the best. But having your own business and teaching requires more than just your personal kite skills.

"it [instructor course/sponsorship deal/competition structure/judging criterion/prize money/industry trend/magazine recognition/riding accolade] didn't happen the way I wanted it to. it must be somebody else's fault."

Kite skills is fundamental for a instructor
Anticipate a mistake and be able to correct before a accident happens
To much theory not enough skills doesn't make you a good instructor
IKO is all about money

I will keep teaching like I been doing for more then 4 years with no accidents

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Leo, it's important to show up every day for a course because regardless of what you know, there is always something to learn. Always. Legally someone can't pass you on a course unless you are in attendance every day. If something happens down the track it can get complicated. You are a great instructor and have loads of really good information and experience but there are rules that need to be adhered and committed to. There is no denying your skills, far and above the average rider, and up there with the best of the best. But having your own business and teaching requires more than just your personal kite skills.

Sorry but I attended a class and the teacher told me that is safe to self rescue in the waves
I'm my opinion is not safe you can get tangle in the lines and in your kite is better to just let go
Maybe he just never been in the waves before

Good lesson teacher: )

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Zebra80 said..
Kite skills is fundamental for a instructor
Anticipate a mistake and be able to correct before a accident happens
To much theory not enough skills doesn't make you a good instructor
IKO is all about money

I will keep teaching like I been doing for more then 4 years with no accidents

Then why make the comment about an IKO course at all?

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dafish said..
Leo, it's important to show up every day for a course because regardless of what you know, there is always something to learn. Always. Legally someone can't pass you on a course unless you are in attendance every day. If something happens down the track it can get complicated. You are a great instructor and have loads of really good information and experience but there are rules that need to be adhered and committed to. There is no denying your skills, far and above the average rider, and up there with the best of the best. But having your own business and teaching requires more than just your personal kite skills.

Sorry but I attended a class and the teacher told me that is safe to self rescue in the waves
I'm my opinion is not safe you can get tangle in the lines and in your kite is better to just let go
Maybe he just never been in the waves before

Good lesson teacher: )

I agree about ditching the kite in waves, no question. However, 99.9 percent of those that you will be teaching will not be in the waves for a good long while. You don't have to agree with what the instructor says in all cases, but he made a point that you questioned. Maybe both of you will learn something from the interaction. While I think IKO has many shortfalls it is a pretty comprehensive program that works pretty well for most instructors. Saying that, I have recently seen some pretty lousy IKO registered instructors taking too many risks with their students.

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Zebra80 said..
Kite skills is fundamental for a instructor
Anticipate a mistake and be able to correct before a accident happens
To much theory not enough skills doesn't make you a good instructor
IKO is all about money

I will keep teaching like I been doing for more then 4 years with no accidents

Yea great mate no insurance, no public liability, no council approval.
Expect lots of visits from the Rangers
Wonder what Ocean Rodeo fells about it. That is exactly the publicity they want.

Hi Zebra80

So if I follow your logic there are too many accidents in kitesurfing because too many instructors can't do back rolls ?

When I did my IKO course in 2010 I was by far the least skilled kiter of the group but I also was the one with the most experience in teaching (snowboarding) and had been a snowboarding examiner for 10 years prior to this.

Out of 16 candidates over 2 back-to-back courses, I was the only one who was offered a job by the IKO examiner at the school he was running.

When I started teaching, instructors like yourself were making fun of me because I couldn't do a back roll. But guess what, that didn't bother me because those instructors making fun of me were the ones with the poorest teaching skills.

As a kite instructor, unless you work in a progression camp or something similar, you will teach 95% + of your lessons to complete beginners who have no prior experience and no prior background in similar sports.

In fact the most skilled and naturally talented kiters tend to be the ones who struggle the most teaching beginners, especially those beginners who struggle and progress at a slow pace.

Remember that kitesurfing courses only account for a very small part of what makes you competent as an instructor.

I believe that those courses are too technical and not enough focus is put on teaching and improving teaching skills which is the most important aspect of your job.

Christian

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cbulota said..
I believe that those courses are too technical and not enough focus is put on teaching and improving teaching skills which is the most important aspect of your job.

Christian

What courses are you referring to C?

IF NOT IKO THEN
BEGIN
**** TEACHER
ELSE
GOOD TEACHER
END

Is that the logic here? Just askin.

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Hi Zebra80

So if I follow your logic there are too many accidents in kitesurfing because too many instructors can't do back rolls ?

When I did my IKO course in 2010 I was by far the least skilled kiter of the group but I also was the one with the most experience in teaching (snowboarding) and had been a snowboarding examiner for 10 years prior to this.

Out of 16 candidates over 2 back-to-back courses, I was the only one who was offered a job by the IKO examiner at the school he was running.

When I started teaching, instructors like yourself were making fun of me because I couldn't do a back roll. But guess what, that didn't bother me because those instructors making fun of me were the ones with the poorest teaching skills.

As a kite instructor, unless you work in a progression camp or something similar, you will teach 95% + of your lessons to complete beginners who have no prior experience and no prior background in similar sports.

In fact the most skilled and naturally talented kiters tend to be the ones who struggle the most teaching beginners, especially those beginners who struggle and progress at a slow pace.

Remember that kitesurfing courses only account for a very small part of what makes you competent as an instructor.

I believe that those courses are too technical and not enough focus is put on teaching and improving teaching skills which is the most important aspect of your job.

Christian

I was just about to write almost exactly this....

@Zebra80 your skills you show in your videos posted on here no doubt show that you are a great kiter with above average skills...

HOWEVER your constant moaning and total lack of ability to take criticism would put me off as a school looking for an instructor...

it takes a hell of alot more then kitesurfing to be a kitesurf instructor.

good to hear you are not going to be endangering as many people leo.

for what its worth pretty sure there was a rather famous kiteboarder at the time who wasn't issued his iko accreditation. and he was a hell of alot better then you were at kitesurfing. fit, young, keen, freestyle. not some old fart who smacks lips and thinks throwing a hooked in pop shuvit is the pinnacle of kiteboarding.

good news is you could just dump some cash on the kiteboarding australia course they'll let anyone walk away with a bit of paper.

but it wont be worth diddly squat abroad.


if you even think your kiting skill has 30% of what is required as a good instructor your waaaaaay off.

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IanR said..

Zebra80 said..
Kite skills is fundamental for a instructor
Anticipate a mistake and be able to correct before a accident happens
To much theory not enough skills doesn't make you a good instructor
IKO is all about money

I will keep teaching like I been doing for more then 4 years with no accidents

Yea great mate no insurance, no public liability, no council approval.
Expect lots of visits from the Rangers
Wonder what Ocean Rodeo fells about it. That is exactly the publicity they want.

sounds EXACTLY what ocean rodeo instructors are doing.

Man, as the other guys have said above, it's not about being a pro kiter.

To be a good teacher you have to be patient, communicable, empathetic, willing to adapt to different types of learners, as well as knowing a thing or 2 about kiting. Its more important to be able to know enough about kites so you can explain (in many different ways) how safety systems work, wind windows work, relaunching etc rather than how to teach a new guy how to do a megaloop.

I have instructed with a wide range of people before, and the most important quality is that they are likeable.

You sir whinge far too much and most students would probably feel pretty gutted pay good money for a lesson and have to put up with you whinge all lesson long, as I can imagine you do (wind not strong enough/ other kiters coming too close/ council riding your balls/ student being too slow to learn new stuff etc).

Even I am completely sick of you, and I only have to read the odd forum post from you.

You don't want to complete the IKO course because you think it's below you, but you want IKO certification, what a goose

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fanfare said..
not some old fart who smacks lips and thinks throwing a hooked in pop shuvit is the pinnacle of kiteboarding.

Classic! Sums him up exactly!!! Wanker

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swinginginthewind said..

fanfare said..
not some old fart who smacks lips and thinks throwing a hooked in pop shuvit is the pinnacle of kiteboarding.

Classic! Sums him up exactly!!! Wanker

you should hear how he grovels to reps for sponsorship

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Zebra80 said..
Tried to do a IKO Instructor Kitesurf course with Felix Fleischer but I couldn't do it because I Missed one day o theories where they teach what is up and down wind
So I can't be a IKO instructor but there is people in that group that can not even do a back roll and have not enough skills to become a instructor that is why so many accidents
Ride toe side and do a jump is not enough skills to be a instructor IKO what a. Joke

Hey Leo,

I find it very unfortunate that you had an unpleasant experience during my course. However, I am confused about your post. You are saying that you cannot be an IKO instructor because you missed a day of the course as well as stated that other people do not have the ability to teach because their riding skills are not fully developed.

1. You did not fail the course. On the day of your riding test, you were spotted on the beach talking back at me in your usual unrespectful manner when I gave you feedback by the person who paid your course fee. As a direct consequence, that person informed me that he no longer wanted to sponsor your course because he can not imagine working together with you. When I told you that you will have to pay the remaining fee yourself, You decided not to complete the course. Also, I have not asked you to pay back the expenses for printing the manual etc. which I personally covered.

2. Your score in the riding test was the lowest in the whole team. A backroll is not a required "trick" to pass the riding test for the AITC. However, a complete self-rescue is. In the beginning, I said that each of you will have to show me a self-rescue under current weather conditions. On that day we had cross-onshore winds. You were supposed to go out far enough and use the kite as a sail to come back to the beach. You did your self-rescue standing in hip-deep water and missed the final step. As you did not want to wait for the wind to pick up you left early for Kurnell. Everyone besides you completed the riding test on that day.

3. Your statement about what I said about self-rescuing in the waves is not correct. If you can not remember what I said you can read the section in the manual about self-rescue.

As far as I know, every participant is able to do a back roll. I hope the someday you will understand that teaching is not about your personal riding skill but more a people skill.

what happened to the good old days, you took your mate down on the beach, rigged him up with an old banger kite, cracked a beer and had a good laugh, gave him a big slap on the back for having the balls to have a crack

Wow, I would've thought an examiner would have the self control to refrain from getting personal and publishing confidential information. Good call in saving students the experience of being taught by this poor attitude superstar, however bad call for breaking the student-teacher trust and telling the whole world about his performance. I guess given that he didn't pay, there was no entitlement to confidentiality.

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Taurus said..
Wow, I would've thought an examiner would have the self control to refrain from getting personal and publishing confidential information. Good call in saving students the experience of being taught by this poor attitude superstar, however bad call for breaking the student-teacher trust and telling the whole world about his performance. I guess given that he didn't pay, there was no entitlement to confidentiality.

My music teacher had massive jugs, she used to rub them on me when I was trying to learn cords, I liked it, is this a breach of teacher/ student confidentiality

ahhhhhhhhhh hahahahahaha!!!

thank you felix

taurus have you ever used TripAdvisor? leo left a very negative review and the business involved simply replied by explaining the situation. that's it. if that bothers you or you believe that to be some sort of breach of trust your going to have a pretty ruff time in this digital age. heck even in the printed era there was retractions.
nothing wrong with someone coming along and saying quit your bull****

laurie we need a pool room to save these threads into

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Taurus said..
Wow, I would've thought an examiner would have the self control to refrain from getting personal and publishing confidential information. Good call in saving students the experience of being taught by this poor attitude superstar, however bad call for breaking the student-teacher trust and telling the whole world about his performance. I guess given that he didn't pay, there was no entitlement to confidentiality.

Hey Taurus,

there was no entitlement to confidentiality and I did not intent to become personal or get involved in the first place. However, you have a point when saying that the information that I provided could harm his personal brand.

I am not a very active user and actually thought quite some time about whether to respond or not. In the end I decided to do so only because he mentioned my full name and made several statements that were incorrect. Thus I flet like I had to interfere to protect myself and explained the situation from my viewpoint.

I wish we could have solved the issue in a different way but in the end it was his choice to make this matter public.

Another episode of ,Home and Away

Not an iko certificate but similar

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cauncy said..
what happened to the good old days, you took your mate down on the beach, rigged him up with an old banger kite, cracked a beer and had a good laugh, gave him a big slap on the back for having the balls to have a crack

Like I said, I am glad those days are over. Safety is paramount.

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fanfare said..
not some old fart who smacks lips and thinks throwing a hooked in pop shuvit is the pinnacle of kiteboarding.

Classic! Sums him up exactly!!! Wanker

Leo Wanker?