Hi everyone,
Was just watching a few youtube videos as always, and the height all these people get is rediculous. Even without megaloops they seem to get 20m high effortlessly. This pic below is a backroll Kiteloop and is about my average height sometimes higher but not by much. I was thinking i just need more wind but it gets to a stage where my kite loses controlability and and the jumps get smaller. Im riding Vegases at around 80kg. Any tips to get extreme air? Also feel free to put pics up of some high jumps

Tom Herbert goes out in 30knots in an 11m.

I guess that would do it lol. Our wind is usually around 16-17K our strong wind up to 25.

I'm not sure I would have any fun with an 11m in 30knost.

Big part of the reason is speed carried into the jump while you loading up.
As an example, even in light wind the hydrofoils still get big height as they able to build up a heap of speed before popping

Normally all the big jumps are straight up n off swell ramps that let you carry the speed in high winds without losing energy from loading up - easy stuff..

If your in "lower winds and flat water".. this is what separates specific jump and turn kite design, from the general kite category that most people ride. For example a "King of air - flatwater" comp, would produce a different result of big air kites... no free ramps

Either buy a great specific jump kite or start riding the ocean ramps - nice pic by the way

You can actually go bigger without a loop than with...

As already said though, it's about taking a big decent kite in strong winds and using good technique. The main thing is keeping a lot of board speed and whipping your kite and releasing your edge at the critical moment.

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sir ROWDY said..
You can actually go bigger without a loop than with...

As already said though, it's about taking a big decent kite in strong winds and using good technique. The main thing is keeping a lot of board speed and whipping your kite and releasing your edge at the critical moment.

See! I was right!

^^^ If you're talking about your comments re pop then no, you are wrong. Sent jumps and pop are very different things. Popping well means you can get air without moving the kite. Technique is important for boosting and for popping, but the specific techniques and optimum gear for each are pretty different.

If you don't want red thumbs don't weigh in on discussions unless you're speaking from experience rather than from speculation.

lots of...


a strong, hard...


and a big bloody...

vegas 7m 40+kn

LOL at surfingboye comment. Holy crap suniboy21 thats some air.

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Wallis1986 said..
LOL at surfingboye comment. Holy crap suniboy21 thats some air.

oh forgot to mention, that a pro :)!

Speed and Balls is all you need my man!

Darren from AKS wrote this huge essay on crunk boosting a few years back, It's everything you need:

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Newbies-Tips-Tricks/How-to-get-HUGE-AIR/

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To be honest though, you look like you know what you're doing, you just need a good 35 knot session on the right kite.

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djdojo said..
^^^ If you're talking about your comments re pop then no, you are wrong. Sent jumps and pop are very different things. Popping well means you can get air without moving the kite. Technique is important for boosting and for popping, but the specific techniques and optimum gear for each are pretty different.

If you don't want red thumbs don't weigh in on discussions unless you're speaking from experience rather than from speculation.

Hi djdojo
I kind of disagree with your first statment
I think there is a pop technique to a Sent Jump
No its not the same as a wake sytle pop
But if you can do a good wake style pop you can figure out the timing and pop technique to really go massive.
I encourage new kiters to learn to pop, hooked, without moving the kite, first.
When they can get a meter off the water and land it
It's time to start to work on the kite movement and timing

As for you're final statement I could not agree more

PS
If you are doing a really good wake style pop on a kite you are moving the kite.
not around the clock with your left and right hands but backwards and forwards in the window.
As you bear off the wind slightly the kite moves back in the window
when you turn hard up wind the kite surges forward into the apparent wind and makes lift

Hey Wallis1986
It's all about timing,
but there is a safer way its called photoshop

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surfingboye said..
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a strong, hard... MAN


and a big bloody... BAG

Wind power increases with speed at a non-linear rate... I forget the specifics but 20 knots is more than double the power of 10 knots.

More wind helps. Anything over 20 knots and a good kite should put a smile on your face.

http://www.northkiteboarding.com/blog/article/tom-hebert-the-uncrowned-red-bull-king-of-the-air/

How do you set your equipment up to go so high?

It’s really important to get maximum power and output from the kite, even if that means riding with my arm extended and the bar all the way out. I gain height from a combination of sending the kite and pulling down on the bar. It’s simple, you need to be overpowered to go big. I always make sure that I pump my kite really hard, this way it maintains it’s form and reacts well to anything I initiate. I know that 6psi is ideal but I never put less than 8psi.

On anything smaller than a 10m kite, I move the back pigtails to the harder setting and then to the softer setting for the larger sizes. I also move the lines to the inside setting of the bar on any kite under 10 meters. This way there are no surprises with your kite moving too fast or being too responsive. 4.6cm fins provide me with the grip I need to go high, especially when overpowered and my stance is around 50cm. If it’s too narrow you loose stability and it also looks a bit strange. - See more at: http://www.northkiteboarding.com/blog/article/tom-hebert-the-uncrowned-red-bull-king-of-the-air/#sthash.Y4XvJGij.dpuf

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surfingboye said..
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So you need lots of arrows to jump high ?

No ?

Or is it that you need a quiver of kites ?

I don't get the Robin Hood thing ?

lol.

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djdojo said..
^^^ If you're talking about your comments re pop then no, you are wrong. Sent jumps and pop are very different things. Popping well means you can get air without moving the kite. Technique is important for boosting and for popping, but the specific techniques and optimum gear for each are pretty different.

If you don't want red thumbs don't weigh in on discussions unless you're speaking from experience rather than from speculation.

Get stffd mate. I can pop and jump.

djdojo said.. ^^^ If you're talking about your comments re pop then no, you are wrong. Sent jumps and pop are very different things. Popping well means you can get air without moving the kite. Technique is important for boosting and for popping, but the specific techniques and optimum gear for each are pretty different.


^^^^^^^^"I believe it's purely based on your technique. Nothing to do with the board shape or style. It's not like water is bouncy! LOL"
"Hmm good points. I didn't consider the flex side of things. I was referring to the overall shape. I think the more concave, the more pop because less surface "adhesion" to the water?"

Speculation on boards doesnt help when someones asking for advice. djdojo said it rather nicely.

I should take this tin hat off someday! Fair enough.

As other mentioned big airs are a combination of speed, lots of power in your kite, board pop, kite ''sending'' and perfect timing.

Now from observing newbies learning to boost the board pop has to be the weakest link of all. Being overpowered, sending the kite and going fast on your board is something everyone can do. But if you can't hold your edge correctly to load and pop then you will get low height pendulum style jumps.

When learning to jump it's best to trade in some speed for some pop, i.e. ride slower but edge harder while sending the kite (this is when the timing is important); you'll be surprised how much higher you can go even with half the speed (assuming you have lots of power in your kite of course).

It pays off as others said to spend time working on your load and pop without sending the kite and keeping it at 45' degrees. You should be able to pop at least 1meter off the water without sending the kite at all, that's a good indication of how good your pop is. Pro's probably pop 2 meters off the water without sending the kite, perhaps even more.

From observing pros jump it's mostly who can hold their edge the strongest at the highest speed that goes higher. That's much easier to do in flat water or when using a wave as a kicker. It gets much more difficult in choppy water.

Here's short edit of a boost in flat water, slowed down at the load and pop. Could do it better myself and go even higher, but you get the picture.

I just want to know how to land a jump!

After listening to kiters advice and watching videos still can't seem to land without a thud.

Be nice to come down and ride off!

If your landing with a thud you simply haven't redirected your kite early enough. Look up and I'll guarantee your kite is still at or around the 12 o'clock position.
You need to get your kite off to the side slightly to give you some downwind pull and therefore speed to be able to ride away, just remember to also have your board facing the same way as your kite is pulling.

As for going big, I remember years ago Mark Shinn showing up at our local and when everyone else was on 10's and 12's he put up an 18 and put on an awesome show!

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Wallis1986 said..
LOL at surfingboye comment. Holy crap suniboy21 thats some air.

Yea seen him do that! Bloody mental to behold it is

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stoff said..
If your landing with a thud you simply haven't redirected your kite early enough. Look up and I'll guarantee your kite is still at or around the 12 o'clock position.
You need to get your kite off to the side slightly to give you some downwind pull and therefore speed to be able to ride away, just remember to also have your board facing the same way as your kite is pulling.

As for going big, I remember years ago Mark Shinn showing up at our local and when everyone else was on 10's and 12's he put up an 18 and put on an awesome show!

Thanks stoff. I'll give it a go.

Do I keep the bar sheeted in the whole time or is there a process of sheeting in the bar and the letting it out??

The key is to rinse your bar in hot water. The salt crystals that aren't removed from a normal rinse with fresh water are weighing you down

Its hard to jump high in SE Queensland

The wind just is not strong enough

Only 25 kts max,maybe 27 kts in the gusts

You really need steady 40+ kts wind

and a 7m Edge or Vegas or TS or Fone

Good technic and strong wind


The stronger the wind the higher you can jump

Providing you have good technic

Need to be overpowered

Basic physics

I can jump just as high on my 9m kite as I can on my 12m kite in 25 kts

My technic is not the best but is ok

there is room for improvement

I need to improve heaps on my landings

Nice flatwater or unbroken waves ramps

are heaps better than choppy water for boosting