I want want want.
We have probably all heard this at some point in our lives. As a parent you have probably repeated this back to your kids. Anyway, I has having a discussion the other day with a mate and he claimed that there was a particular item that he "needed". As a stir, I suggested that he only 'wanted' it, and the topic got debated at length.

The conclusion was that where there is a need there is a want. I thought it might be a bit of fun to see if anyone on Seabreeze can actually came up with a 'need' where there is not a want.

(and don't say you need food to live. We went there too. You need (want) food because want to live).

Over to you .

At two in the morning I don't want to get up and wee, I just need to.

^^^ No thinkaboutit, you just don't want to lie in your own pee.

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ThinkaBowtit said..
At two in the morning I don't want to get up and wee, I just need to.

You don't need to - you just don't want to get wet.



EDIT bloody Chris stealing my brainsignals again.

Want is a stronger position than need. Want is a motivation that takes your soul somewhere. Need makes you follow a routine.

Want suggests more. Need suggests lack.

I want to go to the moon even though I don't need to go there.

I require better definitions of both want and need

Or I want to have sex(with a female) although I don't need to

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ThinkaBowtit said..

At two in the morning I don't want to get up and wee, I just need to.

The best post matching user name this year A++ for you sir.

I have bad habits - until recently money flow was ok'ish. For the first time in my life I understand what it is like to pay for groceries with coins.
In a million years I never would have thought stopping my bad habits as an option - I need these things in life. I now realize those habits
are a pure want basis not a need, so away they have gone. Certainly not happy but right now family comes first and at my age a perfect life lesson
has been self tought.

Good topic - nice change

I want sex, I need to kitesurf/windsurf.

Some of you got the point I was trying to make (sorry cisco, your reply was a little too deep after a few scotchs )
Test Pilot, I will watch all that video tomorrow, but I understand the differance between want and need. In the beginging the lady says we need water, food and shelter to live. The topic being "where there is a need there is a want" suggests that we want water food and shelter, because we want to live. Just like Thinkaboutit, doesnt want to sleep in a puddle of his own wee....

Whatever the habit was youngbull, it's good to here you've turned it around..

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Underoath said..

I want sex, I need to kitesurf/windsurf.

Reminds me of a conversation I had with my wife a while ago. She said "You'd rather go sailing than go to bed with me, wouldn't you!".

My reply..."Just how much wind are we talking about here?".

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Harrow said..

Underoath said..

I want sex, I need to kitesurf/windsurf.

Reminds me of a conversation I had with my wife a while ago. She said "You'd rather go sailing than go to bed with me, wouldn't you!".

My reply..."Just how much wind are we talking about here?".

Hope you did the right thing... and took both options.

I need to breathe....

Breathing is an unconscious process that is automated so there is no want in the decision making process....

Yes, I want to live which is facilitated by breathing, but this is not a want decision....

In fact, the only way to over ride this, would be to want to die and hence hold your breath.

Does this facilitate a need without a want?

When you reached out for some toilet papers, and realized that you just used the last sheet, yesterday !

I usually take it that the difference between 'want' and 'need' is that if you don't get something you want, there will be no great negative consequences on your life.
There is no sharp divide between the two. It's all a matter of perception. So be careful not to confuse the boundary.

If you don't get something you need then there will be real negative consequences.
Thus, you might want a new jacket or you will catch a cold. But you don't need the flashest jacket in the shop. That's just a 'want'.
You might want a new car, but you don't need a Jaguar. In fact, you might not even need a new one. Just fix the old one.

I also think that most people these days think because they want something, they actually need it. Mostly they don't.

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jamdfingr said..

I need to breathe....

Breathing is an unconscious process that is automated so there is no want in the decision making process....

Yes, I want to live which is facilitated by breathing, but this is not a want decision....

In fact, the only way to over ride this, would be to want to die and hence hold your breath.

Does this facilitate a need without a want?

Maybe you want to stop breathing but the need to breath far outweighs your want. If you manage to hold your breath long enough you will black out and start breathing again involuntarily.

I need a new car but I don't want to pay for it.

I need wind to go windsurfing
I want +20kn of it

Gravity
Sun
Rain
Trees
Ecosystem
Etc...

All are needed without want. Without them - there would be no living organisms in which to want.

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jamdfingr said..

I need to breathe....

Breathing is an unconscious process that is automated so there is no want in the decision making process....

Yes, I want to live which is facilitated by breathing, but this is not a want decision....

In fact, the only way to over ride this, would be to want to die and hence hold your breath.

Does this facilitate a need without a want?

the human body wont let you hold your breath till you die, at the extreme, it will go unconscious, allowing the unconscious body processes to continue uncompromised. So, there is no want in heart beat, breath etc, these are only needs.


edit: having read on, ^^What Chris said :)

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Harrow said..

Underoath said..



I want sex, I need to kitesurf/windsurf.

Reminds me of a conversation I had with my wife a while ago. She said "You'd rather go sailing than go to bed with me, wouldn't you!".

My reply..."Just how much wind are we talking about here?".

I told her 35kn, what was your answer?

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Harrow said..

Underoath said..

I want sex, I need to kitesurf/windsurf.

Reminds me of a conversation I had with my wife a while ago. She said "You'd rather go sailing than go to bed with me, wouldn't you!".

That's an example of a need to but don't want to. [cough cough]

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jamdfingr said..

I need to breathe....

Breathing is an unconscious process that is automated so there is no want in the decision making process....

Yes, I want to live which is facilitated by breathing, but this is not a want decision....

In fact, the only way to over ride this, would be to want to die and hence hold your breath.

Does this facilitate a need without a want?

Sooooo in order to stop breathing you "need" to "want" to die?
Or was it "want" to "need" to die!

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rburtyy said..

I need a new car but I don't want to pay for it.

You "want" a new car so you don't have to walk everywhere

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Jupiter said..

When you reached out for some toilet papers, and realized that you just used the last sheet, yesterday !

Mehhhh! Thats just a "want". A desperate one none the less, but still just a "want".

I "need" to get my assignment finished by Monday, but I "want" to surf the seabreeze forums.
Or was it I "want" to get my assignment finished by Monday but I "need" to surf the seabreeze forums.
Oh now I've just confused myself.
None the less if it's not finished on time, me thinks my lecturer will enjoy "wanting" the "need" to fail me.
.....over and out.

You don't always get what you want but you'll get what you need...

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FormulaNova said..

Harrow said..
Reminds me of a conversation I had with my wife a while ago. She said "You'd rather go sailing than go to bed with me, wouldn't you!".

My reply..."Just how much wind are we talking about here?".

Hope you did the right thing... and took both options.

Yeah, we even have a household name for it...the daily double.

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Dezman said...
You don't always get what you want but you'll get what you need...

Except rolling Stones concert in Australia

Why do children say to their parents, "I need ????." when they don't really need it, they just want it??

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Mark _australia said...

Harrow said..

Underoath said..



I want sex, I need to kitesurf/windsurf.

Reminds me of a conversation I had with my wife a while ago. She said "You'd rather go sailing than go to bed with me, wouldn't you!".

My reply..."Just how much wind are we talking about here?".

I told her 35kn, what was your answer?

Ha ha