Brother in law (mid 50's) just developed a very aggressive brain tumor right on the side of his skull where you hold your mobile phone. The doctors say there has been an inexplicable and significant increase in this type of tumor for males in his age group over the last few years.

Can't help but wonder if mobile phones are a contributing factor? I use mine as little as possible.

Mobile phones are bad, there's a us doco on it someone made safe earplugs and patented it but was bought out

It makes sense to me, can't be that hard to prove one way or another.

My gut feeling agrees with you Harrow, but there has been no scientific studies (to my knowledge) that proves this.

If this is the case, then it's going to be the biggest 'web-of-****' there ever is with class actions and regulation.

back in the day using a motarola brick and old guy told me to f88ck it off, he was a radio operator and signals exspert from ww2 , he said would you put your head in a microwave, as its not far off the same effect, hardly go near one now, this message was sent from iphone

Harrow I really feel for him The brain effects were debunked years ago but no doubt the research was all funded by thr telecommunications industry. I seriously doubt there would be no ill effects if one talked on the phone a lot.
A low dosage of radiation, yes, but close to one part of the brain again and again. Hmmm



OTOH number 2 - Razzonator always the consiracy theorist - how the hell would earplugs help? They could stop the radiation travelling down the ear canal but nowhere else. Does every failed invention have to be stopped by "them"?? I mean FFS perpetual motion machines were all nobbled by Shell and Caltex of COURSE!!!!

Cauncy that dude needs to realise the difference between megawatt and milliwatt, enough said.

I mentioned this on Heavy Weather years ago but the usual mind controlled sheeple (anyone who accepts the corporate media as the authority on truth) did their usual mocking of me.

Until the day when the mainstream media come out and report the harmful effects---then it's just a theory.

However,the day they the MSM report the harmful effects then it instantly becomes truth

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Harrow I really feel for him The brain effects were debunked years ago but no doubt the research was all funded by thr telecommunications industry. I seriously doubt there would be no ill effects if one talked on the phone a lot.
A low dosage of radiation, yes, but close to one part of the brain again and again. Hmmm



OTOH number 2 - Razzonator always the consiracy theorist - how the hell would earplugs help? They could stop the radiation travelling down the ear canal but nowhere else. Does every failed invention have to be stopped by "them"?? I mean FFS perpetual motion machines were all nobbled by Shell and Caltex of COURSE!!!!

Cauncy that dude needs to realise the difference between megawatt and milliwatt, enough said.

Yeah I meant earphones haha, the invention was a hollow tube so the sound could travel to your ears via the headphone jack but without the phone against your head.
( please note this by no means reverses my conspiracy theorist status)

Just found this. Latest and largest study, and it's not good news.

Summary: 15 hours per week mobile phone usage results in double to triple chance of brain cancer.

www.theguardian.com/society/2014/may/13/intensive-mobile-phone-users-higher-risk-brain-cancer-study

This is why texting instead of phoning shouldn't be frowned upon.

Just get you're spelling and gramma gooder.

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Harrow said..
Just found this. Latest and largest study, and it's not good news.

Summary: 15 hours per week mobile phone usage results in double to triple chance of brain cancer.

www.theguardian.com/society/2014/may/13/intensive-mobile-phone-users-higher-risk-brain-cancer-study

It also says:

"For instance, in contrast with previous work, it found that cancer occurred on the opposite side of the brain ? rather than on the same side ? of where the phone was customarily used."

I do wonder though. I would have thought anyone that uses a phone a lot long term would use a handsfree kit all the time. They are usually easier to use, and you would think they would reduce the risk.

a few guys i know who use mobile phones on sites for hours every day use it with the speaker on and held about 30cm away from their head.
reducing radiation exposure from my brief experience is based on
Intensity
Shielding
distance

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kiterboy said..
This is why texting instead of phoning shouldn't be frowned upon.
Just get you're spelling and gramma gooder.

Trouble is bloody auto correct - I keep writing things I didn't Nintendo

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Mark _australia said...


Harrow I really feel for him The brain effects were debunked years ago but no doubt the research was all funded by thr telecommunications industry. I seriously doubt there would be no ill effects if one talked on the phone a lot.
A low dosage of radiation, yes, but close to one part of the brain again and again. Hmmm



OTOH number 2 - Razzonator always the consiracy theorist - how the hell would earplugs help? They could stop the radiation travelling down the ear canal but nowhere else. Does every failed invention have to be stopped by "them"?? I mean FFS perpetual motion machines were all nobbled by Shell and Caltex of COURSE!!!!

Cauncy that dude needs to realise the difference between megawatt and milliwatt, enough said.

Yeah I meant earphones haha, the invention was a hollow tube so the sound could travel to your ears via the headphone jack but without the phone against your head.
( please note this by no means reverses my conspiracy theorist status)

I wonder if there is a link with brain tumours especially in kids with the increased use of suncreen and especially ones with nasties and nanoparticles??

I do think with adults and people that used mobiles phones a lot and especially the older phones there is a link.

Even Charlie Tao - Australia's maverick brain surgeon believes there's a link

Tbh for most people I wouldn't be worried about brain cancer. Most of us don't use the phone enough...

But have a think about where you carry your phone. Most men shove it in a front pocket of their pants. Testicular cancer here we come...

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Poida said..
Intensity
Shielding
distance

Yep, electro-magnetic energy rolls off at the inverse square root law.

Mid 90's stuff used to pump out up to 5watts so same as standing in front of a microwave on full ball (power leakage)

Newer phones from the early 2000's dont need that power output because its a digital network. Thats also why ur iphone battery lasts so much longer then ur old nokia

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Luma said..
I wonder if there is a link with brain tumours especially in kids with the increased use of suncreen and especially ones with nasties and nanoparticles??

I do think with adults and people that used mobiles phones a lot and especially the older phones there is a link.

Even Charlie Tao - Australia's maverick brain surgeon believes there's a link

So, what you are saying, is there is a link between cancer and EVERYTHING?

Why are you grouping all these things in and wondering if there is a link?

Charlie Teo a maverick? I just thought he was meant to be a good doctor, not really a 'maverick'.

Definition of
Maverick:- Someone who refuses to play by the rules. he/she isn't scared to
cross the line of conformity. but their unorthodox tactics get results!



I would want him in my corner if I needed that sort of surgery.

My hearing aids are blue tooth & conected to my phone . I listen to music with them all day & if somebody rings . I press button on blue tooth & It answers.
Its fantastic . Phone can be in truck on charge & I've got a pretty good range before its out. The only draw back is that people think Im talking to myself . So I might have solved that problem accidentally. Its also good because my wife thinks Im listening to her but Im listening to music .Just nod my head & say yeah every now & then . I got them to turn off outside noise when on phone if I want to hear somebody I just press pause on the music & it switches back to hearing aids .

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Mahanumah said..
Tbh for most people I wouldn't be worried about brain cancer. Most of us don't use the phone enough...

But have a think about where you carry your phone. Most men shove it in a front pocket of their pants. Testicular cancer here we come...

...and this morning I wake up with my right groin lymph gland inflamed. And yes, that's exactly where I often put my phone. Off to the GP today...

... but before you go, please consider the facts.

EM Radiation can harm your brain in two ways:

1. Ionising Radiation will scramble your cellular DNA
2. The microwave warming effect will heat up the tissue

Since Ionising Radiation starts from the frequency of UV light (3 PHz) onwards, you don't have to worry about being "nuked" by your mobile phone, which operates at frequencies that are a few orders of magnitude lower than that (2 GHz).

That leaves us with heating effects. Let's run a quick calculation on that. A modern mobile phone transmits at a maximum of 0.25 watts. In reality, due to power control, it's a fraction of that most of the time, but let's assume worst-case scenario. Let's also assume that your head holds 4 litres of water. Let's also assume, very worst-case scenario, that ALL of the electro-magnetic radiation from your mobile phone goes straight into your head, i.e., the phone is INSIDE your head. Let's also assume that you have no blood circulation that will take the heat away from your brain. Now, let's make a 10 minute phone call and calculate the added heat:

0.25 watts x 600 seconds = 150 joules
150 joules = 35.83 calories
from school physics we should remember that 1 calorie is the amount of energy required to heat up 1 gram of water by 1 degree C
so, given 35.83 grams of water, we will increase their temperature by 1 degree C
since our head is equivalent to 4000 grams (4 litres) of water, the added heat will be 35.83 / 4000 = 0.009 degrees C

So, if placing the phone inside your head and cutting off your blood supply didn't kill you already, the phone call will do absolutely no damage, guaranteed. Neither will long-term exposure, unless you are in the habit of using your phone while driving.

Well I thought no amount of radiation is safe!

Plus I don't think you need to cook your whole head, just a few cells is all cancer is.

Don't think I want to carry my phone next to my best mate who lives next door to the pocket!.....

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Dezman said..
Well I thought no amount of radiation is safe!

Light is electromagnetic radiation. So are emissions from the mains wiring - same thing, but at a much lower frequency.

Many people regard the light spectrum below UV to be non-ionising and therefore, eh, nevermind, consider avoiding all exposure to light and switch your power off

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Dezman said..
Well I thought no amount of radiation is safe!

Light is electromagnetic radiation. So are emissions from the mains wiring - same thing, but at a much lower frequency.

Many people regard the light spectrum below UV to be non-ionising and therefore, eh, nevermind, consider avoiding all exposure to light and switch your power off

No worries, I believe what all the experts say as I failed school.

Now I'm sure it's safe behind glass as UV rays can't penetrate it!

And I never really thought electric blankets a good idea, those coils of wire creating a field.

Actionmax... Bluetooth communicates with your phone using radio waves, just like the ones the phone uses to talk to the network. So sticking Bluetooth in your ears is no good if you're scared of radio waves. (Which I don't think you should be.... With so much mobile technology in use around the world and so many studies, any real cause and effect link would have been identified by now).

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Actionmax... Bluetooth communicates with your phone using radio waves, just like the ones the phone uses to talk to the network. So sticking Bluetooth in your ears is no good if you're scared of radio waves. (Which I don't think you should be.... With so much mobile technology in use around the world and so many studies, any real cause and effect link would have been identified by now).

Bluetooth uses much lower power, so its not quite the same.

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... but before you go, please consider the facts.

EM Radiation can harm your brain in two ways:

1. Ionising Radiation will scramble your cellular DNA
2. The microwave warming effect will heat up the tissue

Since Ionising Radiation starts from the frequency of UV light (3 PHz) onwards, you don't have to worry about being "nuked" by your mobile phone, which operates at frequencies that are a few orders of magnitude lower than that (2 GHz).

That leaves us with heating effects. Let's run a quick calculation on that. A modern mobile phone transmits at a maximum of 0.25 watts. In reality, due to power control, it's a fraction of that most of the time, but let's assume worst-case scenario. Let's also assume that your head holds 4 litres of water. Let's also assume, very worst-case scenario, that ALL of the electro-magnetic radiation from your mobile phone goes straight into your head, i.e., the phone is INSIDE your head. Let's also assume that you have no blood circulation that will take the heat away from your brain. Now, let's make a 10 minute phone call and calculate the added heat:

0.25 watts x 600 seconds = 150 joules
150 joules = 35.83 calories
from school physics we should remember that 1 calorie is the amount of energy required to heat up 1 gram of water by 1 degree C
so, given 35.83 grams of water, we will increase their temperature by 1 degree C
since our head is equivalent to 4000 grams (4 litres) of water, the added heat will be 35.83 / 4000 = 0.009 degrees C

So, if placing the phone inside your head and cutting off your blood supply didn't kill you already, the phone call will do absolutely no damage, guaranteed. Neither will long-term exposure, unless you are in the habit of using your phone while driving.

non ionising radiation has effects. not just heating of tissue. There is much known about the stochastic effects of ionising radiation. Not so much with non-ionising.

They can't say what causes cancer, so they can't say that using your phone doesn't contribute.

A few years ago smoking couldn't be proved to cause cancer, and we gave pregnant mothers thalydomide.

There are many nuerosurgeons alarmed with the increase in these brain tumors. There was a 60 minutes special a few years ago. DR Teo said he believed it, only used his phone on speaker etc.

I suggest using the inverse square law to your advantage and using your phone on speaker. Also watch childeren and mobiles.

There are recommendations and warnings about Wifi in babies rooms for example. Cancer clusters in housing near HV lnies.

Untill we can say what causes these tumors (which are meant to be occurring at a much higher rate than before mobiles)
then you can't say that mobiles don't cause it. Human beings are very arrogant at saying 'there is no proof' about something we really know dxck about.

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So, if placing the phone inside your head and cutting off your blood supply didn't kill you already, the phone call will do absolutely no damage, guaranteed. Neither will long-term exposure, unless you are in the habit of using your phone while driving.

d1, you have followed similar to what the Radhaz standard would ask you to measure regarding specific absorption rate, and I agree with your principle, however, me personally, I don't like the standard. See Section 2.3 - Basic Restrictions, Table 2. http://www.arpansa.gov.au/pubs/rps/rps3.pdf. There's two levels to my argument.

First, I don't like SAR. I explain the two main measurements to people like this: what is going to do you more damage ?: Slap you in the head with the back of my hand for an hour ? (SAR - Table 2), or king hit you in the head ? (Instantaneous spatial peak SAR - Table 4).

Secondly RF burns/shocks versus mutation. The standard only recognises the former. I personally think that's wrong. RF energy occurs at extremely low levels on Earth (something in the order of 1x10^-022 Watts per metre at a frequency of 2.6Ghz). This is why we use RF for communications. Our cells have obviously evolved over billions of years to deal with these RF energy levels. Sticking something that emits an unnaturally occurring energy source next to a lump of tissue that has some of its defence mechanisms shorted out is asking for trouble IMO.

Also, your quote of 'a modern mobile phone transmits at a maximum of 0.25 watts' ; I would need to measure a bunch of phones to prove it, but I doubt that in instantenous measurement such as Instantaneous spatial peak SAR will be this low for any phone (GSM, 4G etc).

Where did you get this figure BTW ?

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Also, your quote of 'a modern mobile phone transmits at a maximum of 0.25 watts' ; I would need to measure a bunch of phones to prove it, but I doubt that in instantenous measurement such as Instantaneous spatial peak SAR will be this low for any phone (GSM, 4G etc).

Where did you get this figure BTW ?

3GPP TS 36.101 and 3GPP TS 136.101

www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/136100_136199/136101/10.03.00_60/ts_136101v100300p.pdf

UE Maximum Output Power = 23 dBm. (Paragraph 6.2.2).

That's 200 mW, but there is 2 dB tolerance allowed, that's why I quoted 0.25 W.

I appreciate that you understand well the technical aspects, however, I disagree with the evolutionary hypothesis. Just because we evolved in the absence of 1 to 2 GHz EMF doesn't mean that we are susceptible to DNA mutation at such low frequencies. I find this rather counter-intuitive, considering all observed mutation occurs from UV frequencies upwards.