Very soon our civilization will reach the level when you have plenty of food, be safe everywhere, informed about everything.

Life becomes boring.

Will you pay extra premium for devices designed to fail ?

Say, will you pay extra for your fridge that handle could drop off , trapping your beer inside ?

or self driving Google car that could suddenly, unexpectedly starts hooning and racing each other on the motorway ?

Mobile phone that somehow misdirect your call to random peoples ?

Robot vacuum cleaner that could produce gummy, stinky poo like blumb in the middle of your room ?

PC that will bring blue screen of death error, just when your wife is Skype calling you to check out what are you doing so late ?

Carbon mast that could brake for no reason at all ?




or Sex doll that suddenly trap your precious inside , requiring you to call emergency firefighters services with hydraulic cutter to make you free again ?

As stated above each of these AI feats is very, very specialised. Take IBM's Watson and it won't be able to play chess, nor vacuum your room.

While it's not specifically AI the self-driving cars impress me the most. To be able to understand what it is seeing seems like magic to me. A real jump in technology. It has to be able to understand what and where traffic lights are, road signs, and all the other zillions of objects and hazards. It's ****ing amazing.

So here's a nightmare scenario: Each of those cars has sensors taking in information from all around it, as do all the other cars. Network them together and you have sensors taking in information about everything around all the cars at once. Add in AI and it can be everywhere those cars are. Add in more devices in your home and so on... and you have an omnipresent AI. If that AI then has the ability to read faces, tone of voice and so on (already exists), and then collect a database on everyone ...what is that?

It would know more about you you than anyone, and it would know this much about anyone within its reach. Hell Amazon and YouTube with their suggestions seem to know me better than my wife sometimes. : \

(yeah; I been reading Ancillary Justice. Top sci-fi.)

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NotWal said..

There is a notion abroad about the coming AI "singularity" where AI reaches some kind of tipping point. It could be a bot capable of self directed learning that just takes off, making decisions, giving instructions. Some say it's just around the corner.

When your pc starts playing practical jokes you know your doom is at hand. You'll be relegated to a biological support system for your new overlord.

Some say it's going to be in the year 2045

I am quite looking forward to the time that GreenWife and I can go out for dinner, drink as much wine as we want and then have our car drive us home. I'm sure the technology will be there before the law allows such a thing (we would still be 'in control of the vehicle', under current laws), but hopefully it happens before my body dies (my mind, of course, having been copied into a machine before the end of my body's lifespan).

Most likely, as per the movies (AI, Matrix, I ROBOT, etc), we will suffer the demise of the human race. Not so much because of the dangers of machines killing us, but more likely due to us becoming more and more lazy and incompetent.

We are heading down hill already, and I agree with Brian here

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2773914/The-biggest-threat-civilisation-human-stupidity-Brian-Cox-warns-lack-action-food-supplies-climate-change-asteroids-end-life-Earth.html

Pauline Hanson, as much as some of us loved to deride or applaud her for her infinite wisdom, is actually quite futuristic in her outlook. I believe she wrote a few books while she was the darling of the "not very educated" as Donald Trump so subtly put it. Most, if not all, of her books ended up in the "Specials" bin before the ink dried.

Regardless, out of all those pulps, she did have moments of brilliance. One of them being the following...

"In the year xxxx, the world will be ruled by a hybrid humanoid...A half Chinese, half robot being."

Wow. AI driven cars. Hovercrafts. Self cleaning houses. Fully functioning robotic sex toys. Get out of the way. Pauline Hanson's humanoid robot is the go !

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Loftywinds said..
Most likely, as per the movies (AI, Matrix, I ROBOT, etc), we will suffer the demise of the human race. Not so much because of the dangers of machines killing us, but more likely due to us becoming more and more lazy and incompetent.

We are heading down hill already, and I agree with Brian here

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2773914/The-biggest-threat-civilisation-human-stupidity-Brian-Cox-warns-lack-action-food-supplies-climate-change-asteroids-end-life-Earth.html

He has some very good points. Hopefully strong AI will rise soon and take over administrative duties as we're doing such a horrible job of them. Then we can sit back and concentrate on being lazy and incompetent (or pursuing recreation and creative hobbies, my personal preference to laziness and incompetence).

Chris, have a listen to this

The Infinite Monkey Cage with Brian Cox and Robin Ince

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00snr0w/episodes/downloads
Artificial Intelligence — Series 13

enlightening and very funny

Did anyone miss the news about the "intelligent" robot named Tay? She was manufactured by Microsoft, and suppose to learn by interacting with Internet users.

Learn she did, but the wrong kinds of things did she learn. She became a bigot, an anti-sematic, and a racist !

Microsoft, with the best of intentions, believed she will pick up the best of humanity, so that she can converse "intelligently" with us, the humans. Alas, what the robot didn't know was that we humans, can be a bunch 0f ass-holes when given a chance. She was now an "ex-robot" as Microsoft decided that she is a bad robot who is up to no good, she is exterminated !

Funny enough, I am beginning to see some similarities between some of the regular posters and Tay, the foul-mouth, bigotted, racist, anti-sematic intelligent robot.

You see, folks, robots doesn't have the cultural, ethics, and restraints we are taught since the day we are born. Unfortunately, even adults who are supposed to know better, are actively advocating to do away with all of the social norms, in the name of free speech.

1. Teaching Math In 1950s

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production

is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit?
2. Teaching Math In 1970s

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production
is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?

3. Teaching Math In 1980s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100.
His cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit ?
Yes or No
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4. Teaching Math In 1990s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production
is $80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20.

5. Teaching Math In 2000s

A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong answers, feel free to express your feelings e.g, anger, anxiety, inadequacy, helplessness etc.)
Should you require debriefing at conclusion of exam there are counsellors available to assist you to adjust back into the real world.

There is some poster's on Seabreeze I don't think would pass the turing test .

That's gold!! Petermac :)

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Jupiter said..

Funny enough, I am beginning to see some similarities between some of the regular posters and Tay, the foul-mouth, bigotted, racist, anti-sematic intelligent robot.

You see, folks, robots doesn't have the cultural, ethics, and restraints we are taught since the day we are born. Unfortunately, even adults who are supposed to know better, are actively advocating to do away with all of the social norms, in the name of free speech.

its the internet. id never be anywhere near this much of a dick in real life.... or as helpful really.

laurie can you make an ai bot that says how all freeriders are lame and theyre hats are stupid, and that includes you "wave riders" who dont unhook before the wave face

wait... am .... am..... am i that bot?!?!

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5. Teaching Math In 2000s

A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong answers, feel free to express your feelings e.g, anger, anxiety, inadequacy, helplessness etc.)
Should you require debriefing at conclusion of exam there are counsellors available to assist you to adjust back into the real world.

Being my usual, contrarian self, here's a Year 2 test my daughter took home:
imgur.com/a/jWIMD

Rote learning is out. Problem solving is in.

^ Humanoid is a dumb shape for a robot.

yes it is evil panda but the problem is we are humanoids & to be a successful robot it has to fit in with how we have created things for our shape & be able to use the tools we use .

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Being my usual, contrarian self, here's a Year 2 test my daughter took home:
imgur.com/a/jWIMD

My daughter (year one) got the same test!

It's got me flucked!

^ Yeah; what's really, really interesting about it is not any individual question, they're obviously easy for an adult, but how diverse they are. Each one comes from yet another angle. It's kinda exhausting.

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actiomax said..
yes it is evil panda but the problem is we are humanoids & to be a successful robot it has to fit in with how we have created things for our shape & be able to use the tools we use .

That is completely back-to-front.

The robots are the tools. Prime example is the google self-driving cars. They didn't make a humanoid robot and teach it how to drive a car. Why would you do that?

Robots will be in all shapes and sizes. You refrigerator will be one. They will all be connected, like a hive-mind, to a cloud-like AI.

Twenty years? Ten? Five?

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evlPanda said..

Robots will be in all shapes and sizes. You refrigerator will be one. They will all be connected, like a hive-mind, to a cloud-like AI.

Twenty years? Ten? Five?

They will call it Skynet

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petermac33 said..
1. Teaching Math In 1950s A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit? 2. Teaching Math In 1970s A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit? 3. Teaching Math In 1980s A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit ? Yes or No < 4. Teaching Math In 1990s A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20. 5. Teaching Math In 2000s A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong answers, feel free to express your feelings e.g, anger, anxiety, inadequacy, helplessness etc.) Should you require debriefing at conclusion of exam there are counsellors available to assist you to adjust back into the real world.

then act it out if you were gay, lesbian or transgender or an aborigional on invasion day, or a muslim after 9/11


....

lefties

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Gazuki said..

evlPanda said..

Robots will be in all shapes and sizes. You refrigerator will be one. They will all be connected, like a hive-mind, to a cloud-like AI.

Twenty years? Ten? Five?

They will call it Skynet

Playground is probably the "future stuff" incubator. This is from the guy that had a prototype smart phone, with no physical keyboard, in 1992. He then went on to develop the Android operating system. He'd make a fantastic Bond villain. He sees, along with most other people, "the Internet of things". All the devices connected to the cloud and its AI.

Playground's aim is to make open source hardware. Platform where you can stick fully developed pieces together, all within a non-proprietary ecosystem. (plus AI).

[Quote]The Next Wave

So what's it all building toward?

Every 10 to 15 years, the dominant computing platform shifts. We've gone from mainframes to minicomputers to PCs, then the Internet, and we're now smacking in the middle of the mobile era.

When we ask ourselves what's next, we see devices that sense, compute, and act on information, connected to a cloud that has mature deep-learning capabilities.

ghost.org/offline/

As for the humanoid robots what's wrong with using real, actual human bodies instead? We can already control other people's arms with our thoughts:

This guy has a real ear growing on his arm that he intends to connect to the internet that you can listen in at home, or on the bus, or while taking a dump at work, or whatever.



The natural progression form there is a zombie army controlled by a cloud based, deep-learning AI. Future soldiers will already be dead.

LOLZ. The future is a horror movie : \

Forget about AI

We need to up scale the current human race so that it moves away from any connection to a religious and political based existence.

Humans have evolved for the last 5-6 million years and religion and politics over the last 5000 years.

The ratio of these numbers is huge.

Religion and politics are the most divisive and polarising areas of human contact that the current world faces (from an ethics perspective that is, as opposed to clean water, healthy food, non-toxic environment, etc.)

Get this right, and there should be no need for AI as it should develop naturally (as opposed to artifically) within the human race.

Listening to The naked scientist this morning and an eye opener was just how advanced computer programming is. I'm not really a computer person but I did know that it's all done through algorithms or so I thought.

It's got way past that and the learning programs used by Facebook , Twitter and the like are mind boggling and super advanced.

Which is why they dominate making it hard for others to compete. Others just don't have the resources to catch up.

Unfortunately I didn't hear the whole show but enough to get me thinking .

With quantum computers just around the corner, the natural progression is almost something out of science fiction with AI

progressively taking over the day to day running of our lives . Deciding whats best for us,running government policy and eventually

police and defence will come under their control.

Smart weapons will be developed by AI and then one day used against us as AI realises that human beings are killing the planet. Over population, pollution etc.

The answer will be to eliminate us but here is the scary part. We won't be able to make weapons to fight back because we would need a computer to make them and AI won't allow that.

I know ,Ive been reading too much sci fi but it's a possible scenario and I'm just having a bit of fun.

AI could well be a natural progression for human intelligence with or without us. True immortality.

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AUS1111 said..
Computers started beating chess masters occasionally in the 1980s, and more consistently n the 2000s.

This year a computer has beaten one of the world's best players of a Korean game called Go; a far more complex game than chess requiring vast computing power.

My questions for the technical guys is; How long do you think it will be until a computer can beat a human at driving an F1 car around a circuit?

It's going to happen, right?

Next season Formula-E are running Roborace (www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2016/march/roborace-car-revealed/ and www.roborace.com/, low on info). Ok it is only a showcase next year, but it will be interesting to see the laps times and see how they compare with human drivers.

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albers said..
Forget about AI

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Get this right, and there should be no need for AI as it should develop naturally (as opposed to artifically) within the human race.

The main problem with that idea is that the human brain does not and will never have the processing speed of a computer. So saying we won't have a need for AI in the future is like saying we don't have a need for bicycles now because we can just walk everywhere.

The next problem I see with that is that the boring stuff like tax accounting, transport, manual labour etc. will all still need to be done by humans. How dreary...

Thanks for the video Gizmo..... just caught it now, and thought that it didn't get the recognition it deserved. Still chuckling. Well played sir.